400lb 14 Year Old

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[quote]midgethearsexb wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

I feel soooooo sorry for this kid. Her parents are so responsible. And Wigsa… she is 14. You say she should have realized 2 or 3 years ago… So you want to start making her accountable at 11 years old? Dude… dial it back and get some perspective.

I am glad this is part of the news and I hope it shocks some parents that keep their kids happy with video games, potato chips, and yoohoos. This is their reality.

I remember as a kid that if I was in the house too long my parents would shove us outside and my mom would lock the door. We were allowed to run wild until it got dark. Heaven forbid we dare say we were bored because you did not want to have mom or dad give you something to do. And if I got in trouble dad would make us dig holes in the yard. Just get a shovel and dig, then fill them up. Then ask us if we enjoyed how we spent the day.

man times have changed. That poor kid is in such a social deficit. I don’t think surgery is her answer but good for her for trying to make a change at only 14yrs old.

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When I was 11 years old I had to cut 15 pounds so that I could make weight and be eligible to play quarterback. I wasn’t overweight or fat, just really tall for my age. I was only 11, but I knew what I had to do. I didn’t have my dad telling me not to eat the doughnuts he would bring home. I started eating lots of watermelon and carrots, running every day, and I worked my ass off! I made weight and won the starting QB position (not hard when you’re only 11), but nonetheless I did it. You know a lot when you’re 11. I watched my first porno when I was 10 or 11. Kids are having sex at 11. If you know how to bone, you should also know that you’re fat and you need to do something about it. Hell, back in the 30’s and 40’s girls were getting married at the age of 15. We, as a society, set the “age of accountability” at 18 which is horse shit. She needs to be held accountable for her decisions. Her parents didn’t force feed her. She is 100% aware of what she is doing and that she needs help. She is old enough to take care of her own business. Period.

As I stated earlier in the thread, my wife weighed 180 when she was 14. I asked her if she knew what she was doing when she would hide whole boxes of Oreos in her room. She knew exactly what she was doing and what it would do to her. Yeah her parents had an influence on her behavior, but she still had to make the decisions to binge each and every day being 100% aware of what she was doing.

I don’t disagree that it is harder for some people than others. My wife struggles with her problem every day of her life. She sees a therapist weekly about her issues and is also a second year grad student on her way to becoming a therapist, because she wants to thoroughly understand why she does what she does (in all aspects of life). She knows she has/had a problem, but she is doing something about it.

So what’s the point of what I’ve said? The girl knows better even though she is only 14. Think about it, when you were 14 didn’t you have an influence on your parents? Could you get your parents to buy you what you wanted? Could you get your mom to cook you what you wanted for dinner? All she has to do is say, “Mom/Dad, I have a problem and I really need your help.” Or tell a teacher at school or someone at church. Honestly, do you think that if her parents forced her to lose the weight that she would lose it? Would that stop her from hiding food in her room? Of course not! The change has to come from within herself, not her parents. She can’t continue to blame her parents for all of her problems, because as long as she does she will continue on the same destructive path. [/quote]

So because you knew what you were doing at 11, you know exactly what this girl you’ve never met is thinking?

Again I’m not condoning anyone being obese. But if a kid has never seen anyone eat anything but crap… well we can’t very well expect her to log onto t nation and realize the error of her ways before putting on any weight.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
Geez. I know the internet tends to drop most people’s IQs by several points, but I really think you guys who are bashing and lambasting her are missing the point. NO ONE is defending her obesity. NO ONE is defending her lifestyle and eating habits up to this point. NO ONE is even defending the surgery.
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But there are people that are blaming it all on the parents. I’m sorry, but I disagree with blaming everything that goes wrong with a child on the parents. I think children should be held accountable at an earlier age. Hell, we allow kids to drive at the age of 16, but if they’re overweight it is automatically the parents’ fault? My dad entrusted me with a lawnmower (something that could potentially cause major damage) at the age of 10, yet this girl couldn’t be trusted with a doughnut (something that can potentially do as much damage as a lawnmower)? We baby our children these days way too much!

In high school, my basketball and baseball coaches used to get all up in my face, call me every name in the book, push me, basically going “drill sergeant” on me. I loved it! It made me a better player and a better person. I learned how to handle criticism. I learned how to dig deep and prove somebody wrong, even when it was tough and I felt like shit. Fast forward to 2010… In Utah, coaches must attend a class on how to treat their players. They are not allowed to single anyone out, swear, touch a player, etc. Basically they aren’t allowed to get intense. They must do everything short of coddle their players and rock them to sleep at night. Then you go to the games and listen to the parents, “It’s ok Johnnie, you did great!” As Johnnie fumbles the game winning touchdown away. Fuck that! Johnnie, you fucked up! Go work harder you piece of shit! Go run! Go lift weights! Get better you sorry piece of shit! You’re not playing until you learn how to suck it up and win!

I don’t disagree that this story isn’t sad. I don’t disagree that it is great that she has decided to attempt to make a change. And I don’t disagree that there is a huge problem with childhood obesity. However, I do disagree with people not being held accountable for what they do to themselves. I do disagree with us trying to keep our kids in their bubble. I do disagree with babying our kids and giving them everything they want (food included) and them not working for it. And I disagree with everyone that thinks, “Poor girl, it’s not her fault.”

If people think that I am an inconsiderate son of a bitch for thinking that way, then so be it. But that thinking is what has gotten us to this point in the first place.

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[quote]Artemisia wrote:

[quote]Emain123 wrote:
Lol, just get on a damn treadmill. Quit bitching about how hard it is to be fat, especially if you’re not even trying to help yourself. And the people that are pitying her for being fat, get over it. It doesn’t even sound like she’s trying. She needs to get motivated, and nothing is more motivating then everyone who ever sees her going “Dayuuummmm! That’s a HUUUGE bitch!”. [/quote]

I’m assuming that was sarcasm - all of it, not just the last bit? If not, directly from the article:

Now, she said, she is well on her way to becoming a healthy teen and adult. She works out playing the Wii video game and walks every day with her brother after school. She is eating a high-protein diet.

“This surgery is a tool in your tool box to becoming healthy,” she said. “It is not the quick fix. You need a lot more. You need to exercise you need to make the right food choices.”[/quote]

Lol, it was partially sarcasm. But I don’t consider playing videogames and simply walking home from school, making much of an effort. It’s a very very very small start. “It is not the quick fix. You need a lot more. You need to exercise you need to make the right food choices.” Idfk why she’s trying to give advice if she hasn’t fixed her own damn problems yet. Maybe she should listen to her own advice? Playing the wii won’t help you shed hundreds of pounds of fat. And since when is walking considered getting excersise, for christ sake?! It’s a basic human function! I understand she may experience some difficulty walking because of her size, but don’t go off saying she’s making a huge effort because now she can manage to put one foot in front of the other. All that being said, she is only 14 and may not be mature enough to understand how serious her situation is.

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[quote]midgethearsexb wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
Geez. I know the internet tends to drop most people’s IQs by several points, but I really think you guys who are bashing and lambasting her are missing the point. NO ONE is defending her obesity. NO ONE is defending her lifestyle and eating habits up to this point. NO ONE is even defending the surgery.
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But there are people that are blaming it all on the parents. I’m sorry, but I disagree with blaming everything that goes wrong with a child on the parents. I think children should be held accountable at an earlier age. Hell, we allow kids to drive at the age of 16, but if they’re overweight it is automatically the parents’ fault? My dad entrusted me with a lawnmower (something that could potentially cause major damage) at the age of 10, yet this girl couldn’t be trusted with a doughnut (something that can potentially do as much damage as a lawnmower)? We baby our children these days way too much!
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Again, I’m not discounting personal responsibility. But you saw your parents use that lawnmower safely right? They set a good example on how to use it. Maybe this girl didn’t know just how bad doughnuts are.

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[quote]dan.desroches wrote:
from what I understand, obesity is not caused by overeating, but the reverse is true. Overeating comes as a symptom of obesity. We have simply messed up the cause-correlation relationship. Also, it’s not a lack of exercise, or lack of “getting on a treadmill” that makes people fat. It’s instead the quality of the calories that they consume. A calorie of carbohydrate is not treated the same way as a calorie of fat within the body. We are far more accustomed to the consumption of fats and proteins for fuel as compared to carbohydrate. Excessive consumption of carbohydrates (not over eating, just eating a majority of CHO), messes with our hormones, namely insulin and glucagon. This is where the problem is. It’s also been recognized in many studies that obese people tend to eat less or equivalent amounts of food as compared to lean people. This just goes to show that over consumption of calories is not the issue. [/quote]

I also believe part of the problem is that all of the “experts” make things way too complicated. Is it really this complicated? Fuck the studies! The simple fact is that if you consume more calories than you burn, you’re going to gain weight. I don’t need a study to know that.

We all know that if you sit around and play PS3 all day you’re probably going to gain weight. If you eat fruit snacks, Lunchables, and Kudos all day long, you’re probably going to gain weight. If you don’t want to gain weight, go ride your bike, play on the playset, play catch, or go play “Army” with your airsoft guns. If you don’t want to gain weight, have some carrot sticks, an apple, orange, or banana for a snack. It really is that simple.

It isn’t difficult, so we need to stop complicating things.

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I hate to say it, but at 14 and being 400lbs, you’ve got a pretty shitty life… You’d be lucky if you had a single friend… You probably hate your life and everything about it…

Sad thing here is if she doesn’t get the help and motivation (meaing her slack-ass parents get off their ass and help/support her and stop the crispy cream chuck-wagon), she’s probably going to kill herself within a year or two…

Initially I blamed her parents for the whole thing, but there’s a bit more to it… Watch any TV show and I can bet you, within an hour, there is at LEAST 8 commericals on showing you the best damn hamburger, the biggest, best cooked pizza ever, etc… That’s every 7 minutes you’re bombarded with adds about food… Add in some catchy slogans like “Doooo it…” or “Make a run for the border” or something catchy and you can’t get it out of your head… Hell, McDonalds has re-vamped a song they did back in the 70’s about their Big Mac, so now you see kids walking down the street singing it…

Best thing IMHO is stop watching TV, sign-up to some common weight loss challenge website where you’re interacting with people that have similar goals and will help motivate you and such (much like AA where you have a support group), print off the Canadian/American Cancer Society Diet (it’s a great start at ultra-clean eating) and follow it, and exercise…

But at 400lbs, you can’t just walk into any gym… You’d be laughed at and snickered at by 90% of the people there, so she’s going to have to do stuff around her house, around her block, etc… At least till she drops some of that weight… Again, need the stupid ass parents joining in and helping out IMHO…

But at 400lbs, she’s got the “skin” issues that people have talked about… It’s tragic… She’s going to require cosmetic surgery to fix that mess of flaps she’s gonna have…

Definitely no overnight solution here to this tragedy…

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[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
Honestly they should implement narrow doors at fast food places or something…[/quote]

Yeah, sort of like a ‘you must be this tall to ride the ride’ idea, except it’d be more along the lines of ‘you must be able to fit through the bars to eat here’. Then you’d have to worry about skinny folks that need the extra cash (crackheads and the like) sitting outside Micky D’s offering to go in for a few exttra bucks.

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[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]midgethearsexb wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

I feel soooooo sorry for this kid. Her parents are so responsible. And Wigsa… she is 14. You say she should have realized 2 or 3 years ago… So you want to start making her accountable at 11 years old? Dude… dial it back and get some perspective.

I am glad this is part of the news and I hope it shocks some parents that keep their kids happy with video games, potato chips, and yoohoos. This is their reality.

I remember as a kid that if I was in the house too long my parents would shove us outside and my mom would lock the door. We were allowed to run wild until it got dark. Heaven forbid we dare say we were bored because you did not want to have mom or dad give you something to do. And if I got in trouble dad would make us dig holes in the yard. Just get a shovel and dig, then fill them up. Then ask us if we enjoyed how we spent the day.

man times have changed. That poor kid is in such a social deficit. I don’t think surgery is her answer but good for her for trying to make a change at only 14yrs old.

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When I was 11 years old I had to cut 15 pounds so that I could make weight and be eligible to play quarterback. I wasn’t overweight or fat, just really tall for my age. I was only 11, but I knew what I had to do. I didn’t have my dad telling me not to eat the doughnuts he would bring home. I started eating lots of watermelon and carrots, running every day, and I worked my ass off! I made weight and won the starting QB position (not hard when you’re only 11), but nonetheless I did it. You know a lot when you’re 11. I watched my first porno when I was 10 or 11. Kids are having sex at 11. If you know how to bone, you should also know that you’re fat and you need to do something about it. Hell, back in the 30’s and 40’s girls were getting married at the age of 15. We, as a society, set the “age of accountability” at 18 which is horse shit. She needs to be held accountable for her decisions. Her parents didn’t force feed her. She is 100% aware of what she is doing and that she needs help. She is old enough to take care of her own business. Period.

As I stated earlier in the thread, my wife weighed 180 when she was 14. I asked her if she knew what she was doing when she would hide whole boxes of Oreos in her room. She knew exactly what she was doing and what it would do to her. Yeah her parents had an influence on her behavior, but she still had to make the decisions to binge each and every day being 100% aware of what she was doing.

I don’t disagree that it is harder for some people than others. My wife struggles with her problem every day of her life. She sees a therapist weekly about her issues and is also a second year grad student on her way to becoming a therapist, because she wants to thoroughly understand why she does what she does (in all aspects of life). She knows she has/had a problem, but she is doing something about it.

So what’s the point of what I’ve said? The girl knows better even though she is only 14. Think about it, when you were 14 didn’t you have an influence on your parents? Could you get your parents to buy you what you wanted? Could you get your mom to cook you what you wanted for dinner? All she has to do is say, “Mom/Dad, I have a problem and I really need your help.” Or tell a teacher at school or someone at church. Honestly, do you think that if her parents forced her to lose the weight that she would lose it? Would that stop her from hiding food in her room? Of course not! The change has to come from within herself, not her parents. She can’t continue to blame her parents for all of her problems, because as long as she does she will continue on the same destructive path. [/quote]

So because you knew what you were doing at 11, you know exactly what this girl you’ve never met is thinking?

Again I’m not condoning anyone being obese. But if a kid has never seen anyone eat anything but crap… well we can’t very well expect her to log onto t nation and realize the error of her ways before putting on any weight.[/quote]

Why not? Do you know that she doesn’t have access to the internet? Do you know that she isn’t surrounded by healthy individuals? Do you know that she isn’t in junior high school and has a P.E. teacher?

You call me out on my assumptions, but you make the assumption that she is incapable of finding out what she needs to do.

I can guarantee you this though, if you asked her who ate all of the food that made her fat, she will say she did. If you ask her whether or not she ever asked her mom to make healthier food for dinner, she will say no. If you ask her what type of exercise she was doing on a weekly basis, she will say none. She made those decisions. She is accountable.

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[quote]midgethearsexb wrote:

As I stated earlier in the thread, my wife weighed 180 when she was 14. I asked her if she knew what she was doing when she would hide whole boxes of Oreos in her room. She knew exactly what she was doing and what it would do to her. Yeah her parents had an influence on her behavior, but she still had to make the decisions to binge each and every day being 100% aware of what she was doing.

I don’t disagree that it is harder for some people than others. My wife struggles with her problem every day of her life. She sees a therapist weekly about her issues and is also a second year grad student on her way to becoming a therapist, because she wants to thoroughly understand why she does what she does (in all aspects of life). She knows she has/had a problem, but she is doing something about it. [/quote]

You just proved my point. At 14 YOUR wife was hiding the Oreos. At 14 this girl is trying to take responsibility.

And your wife still fights it and sees a therapist to this day. Hmmm…

Never, and I mean NEVER, join a debate or forensics team. Your initial diatribe validated everyone on here who said to turn it down a notch.

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[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]midgethearsexb wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
Geez. I know the internet tends to drop most people’s IQs by several points, but I really think you guys who are bashing and lambasting her are missing the point. NO ONE is defending her obesity. NO ONE is defending her lifestyle and eating habits up to this point. NO ONE is even defending the surgery.
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But there are people that are blaming it all on the parents. I’m sorry, but I disagree with blaming everything that goes wrong with a child on the parents. I think children should be held accountable at an earlier age. Hell, we allow kids to drive at the age of 16, but if they’re overweight it is automatically the parents’ fault? My dad entrusted me with a lawnmower (something that could potentially cause major damage) at the age of 10, yet this girl couldn’t be trusted with a doughnut (something that can potentially do as much damage as a lawnmower)? We baby our children these days way too much!
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Again, I’m not discounting personal responsibility. But you saw your parents use that lawnmower safely right? They set a good example on how to use it. Maybe this girl didn’t know just how bad doughnuts are.[/quote]

Go find me a 14 year-old that doesn’t know that doughnuts aren’t healthy and I’ll agree with you on that point. And Down-Syndrome and mentally handicap kids don’t count.

I guarantee you she watched what her parents ate and what they did for physical exercise. And I bet you she was able to make the connection that if I eat shitty food and don’t exercise, I’ll end up looking like my parents. It would be like if my dad cut his hand off while using the lawnmower. I would make a mental note to not do whatever he did to get his hand cut off. I don’t need someone to show me “what” to do to know it is right or wrong, they can also show me “what not” to do.

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[quote]midgethearsexb wrote:

[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]midgethearsexb wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

I feel soooooo sorry for this kid. Her parents are so responsible. And Wigsa… she is 14. You say she should have realized 2 or 3 years ago… So you want to start making her accountable at 11 years old? Dude… dial it back and get some perspective.

I am glad this is part of the news and I hope it shocks some parents that keep their kids happy with video games, potato chips, and yoohoos. This is their reality.

I remember as a kid that if I was in the house too long my parents would shove us outside and my mom would lock the door. We were allowed to run wild until it got dark. Heaven forbid we dare say we were bored because you did not want to have mom or dad give you something to do. And if I got in trouble dad would make us dig holes in the yard. Just get a shovel and dig, then fill them up. Then ask us if we enjoyed how we spent the day.

man times have changed. That poor kid is in such a social deficit. I don’t think surgery is her answer but good for her for trying to make a change at only 14yrs old.

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When I was 11 years old I had to cut 15 pounds so that I could make weight and be eligible to play quarterback. I wasn’t overweight or fat, just really tall for my age. I was only 11, but I knew what I had to do. I didn’t have my dad telling me not to eat the doughnuts he would bring home. I started eating lots of watermelon and carrots, running every day, and I worked my ass off! I made weight and won the starting QB position (not hard when you’re only 11), but nonetheless I did it. You know a lot when you’re 11. I watched my first porno when I was 10 or 11. Kids are having sex at 11. If you know how to bone, you should also know that you’re fat and you need to do something about it. Hell, back in the 30’s and 40’s girls were getting married at the age of 15. We, as a society, set the “age of accountability” at 18 which is horse shit. She needs to be held accountable for her decisions. Her parents didn’t force feed her. She is 100% aware of what she is doing and that she needs help. She is old enough to take care of her own business. Period.

As I stated earlier in the thread, my wife weighed 180 when she was 14. I asked her if she knew what she was doing when she would hide whole boxes of Oreos in her room. She knew exactly what she was doing and what it would do to her. Yeah her parents had an influence on her behavior, but she still had to make the decisions to binge each and every day being 100% aware of what she was doing.

I don’t disagree that it is harder for some people than others. My wife struggles with her problem every day of her life. She sees a therapist weekly about her issues and is also a second year grad student on her way to becoming a therapist, because she wants to thoroughly understand why she does what she does (in all aspects of life). She knows she has/had a problem, but she is doing something about it.

So what’s the point of what I’ve said? The girl knows better even though she is only 14. Think about it, when you were 14 didn’t you have an influence on your parents? Could you get your parents to buy you what you wanted? Could you get your mom to cook you what you wanted for dinner? All she has to do is say, “Mom/Dad, I have a problem and I really need your help.” Or tell a teacher at school or someone at church. Honestly, do you think that if her parents forced her to lose the weight that she would lose it? Would that stop her from hiding food in her room? Of course not! The change has to come from within herself, not her parents. She can’t continue to blame her parents for all of her problems, because as long as she does she will continue on the same destructive path. [/quote]

So because you knew what you were doing at 11, you know exactly what this girl you’ve never met is thinking?

Again I’m not condoning anyone being obese. But if a kid has never seen anyone eat anything but crap… well we can’t very well expect her to log onto t nation and realize the error of her ways before putting on any weight.[/quote]

Why not? Do you know that she doesn’t have access to the internet? Do you know that she isn’t surrounded by healthy individuals? Do you know that she isn’t in junior high school and has a P.E. teacher?

You call me out on my assumptions, but you make the assumption that she is incapable of finding out what she needs to do.

I can guarantee you this though, if you asked her who ate all of the food that made her fat, she will say she did. If you ask her whether or not she ever asked her mom to make healthier food for dinner, she will say no. If you ask her what type of exercise she was doing on a weekly basis, she will say none. She made those decisions. She is accountable.

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I don’t assume that she is incapable, in fact it’s quite the opposite because she HAS taken responsibility. She’s making positive changes now. I may have been unclear originally, but she’s making changes, why should we blame her and mock now? If you don’t think fat people need to be helped, then that’s fine. People do need to take responsibility, but mocking people might not be the best way to get them to be accountable.

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[quote]midgethearsexb wrote:

[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]midgethearsexb wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
Geez. I know the internet tends to drop most people’s IQs by several points, but I really think you guys who are bashing and lambasting her are missing the point. NO ONE is defending her obesity. NO ONE is defending her lifestyle and eating habits up to this point. NO ONE is even defending the surgery.
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But there are people that are blaming it all on the parents. I’m sorry, but I disagree with blaming everything that goes wrong with a child on the parents. I think children should be held accountable at an earlier age. Hell, we allow kids to drive at the age of 16, but if they’re overweight it is automatically the parents’ fault? My dad entrusted me with a lawnmower (something that could potentially cause major damage) at the age of 10, yet this girl couldn’t be trusted with a doughnut (something that can potentially do as much damage as a lawnmower)? We baby our children these days way too much!
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Again, I’m not discounting personal responsibility. But you saw your parents use that lawnmower safely right? They set a good example on how to use it. Maybe this girl didn’t know just how bad doughnuts are.[/quote]

Go find me a 14 year-old that doesn’t know that doughnuts aren’t healthy and I’ll agree with you on that point. And Down-Syndrome and mentally handicap kids don’t count.

I guarantee you she watched what her parents ate and what they did for physical exercise. And I bet you she was able to make the connection that if I eat shitty food and don’t exercise, I’ll end up looking like my parents. It would be like if my dad cut his hand off while using the lawnmower. I would make a mental note to not do whatever he did to get his hand cut off. I don’t need someone to show me “what” to do to know it is right or wrong, they can also show me “what not” to do.[/quote]

Not all kids are very good at making abstractions to that degree, granted other kids develop faster than others but still. Maybe her parents have inundated her with “we’re fat because of our genetics”. As a kid how is she to know that they’re wrong? I advocate accountability, but at 14 her parents are a huge part of the equation.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]midgethearsexb wrote:

As I stated earlier in the thread, my wife weighed 180 when she was 14. I asked her if she knew what she was doing when she would hide whole boxes of Oreos in her room. She knew exactly what she was doing and what it would do to her. Yeah her parents had an influence on her behavior, but she still had to make the decisions to binge each and every day being 100% aware of what she was doing.

I don’t disagree that it is harder for some people than others. My wife struggles with her problem every day of her life. She sees a therapist weekly about her issues and is also a second year grad student on her way to becoming a therapist, because she wants to thoroughly understand why she does what she does (in all aspects of life). She knows she has/had a problem, but she is doing something about it. [/quote]

You just proved my point. At 14 YOUR wife was hiding the Oreos. At 14 this girl is trying to take responsibility.

And your wife still fights it and sees a therapist to this day. Hmmm…

Never, and I mean NEVER, join a debate or forensics team. Your initial diatribe validated everyone on here who said to turn it down a notch.

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I think it’s great that this girl is finally taking action! I never once said that she was an idiot or a loser. I only said I disagree with the parents being solely responsible. The fact that my wife knew that she had to hide the Oreos, only shows that she knew it was wrong, so that is why she hid them. And yes, like this girl, my wife took action. She went to her parents and told them that she wanted to make a change and they helped her with that change. She was the one that had to initiate it though. She is also the one that is accountable for what she does to herself still to this day. That is the reason that she sees a therapist, to better herself and continue to grow.

I wasn’t trying to be negative, just trying to state my opinion just like you have done. I don’t ever care to join a debate or forensics team, so I think I’m safe with that. I do appreciate your expert opinion nonetheless.

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[quote]steadfastred wrote:
Well, the good news is that we all get to pay for her health care soon.[/quote]

under old laws, we paid for her health care, the good news is that new laws mean she and her family have to pay for her health care

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[quote]elano wrote:
The sad part is that someone will probably still fuck her. When she’s of legal age of course.

Gastric bypass surgery is going to be her best hope IMO.[/quote]

how is that sad? i mean for once she will feel loved

anyways fat people need love to

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
Geez. I know the internet tends to drop most people’s IQs by several points, but I really think you guys who are bashing and lambasting her are missing the point. NO ONE is defending her obesity. NO ONE is defending her lifestyle and eating habits up to this point. NO ONE is even defending the surgery.

What those of us who are more levelheaded and mature and not governed by emotions based upon whatever issues we may have had in the past are saying is, is that it’s a shame a 14 year old is in that position, but it is a good thing she is making a change and relearning and breaking old habits. All you have to do is look at the link that was posted to Jamie Oliver’s show. That whole town had shitty attitudes towards healthy eating and you are expecting a 14 year old who was probably raised in an eating environment very similar to that and was never taught any better to not make dietary and health mistakes. I had a LOT of territories like that that I managed when I was an underwriter for an insurance company. In fact, WV was one of my old territories. I literally had to travel to places where we went to Burger King and McDonald’s to have a healthier meal than the stuff that was a part of most people’s normal diet in places like that. It’s not like this 14 year old is the 600 pound woman or whatever she weighs that is in the other thread whose goal IS to be the fattest woman in the world. Nor is she one of those overweight/obese people who don’t take care of themselves and have no intention to, yet want it to be treated as a disability or anything ridiculous like that. She is a kid who wants to have a better life and is changing that. [/quote]

I respect your opinion, but I’m not going to pretend that I fully understand. Ironically, Scotland has plenty of obese people in it, but it doesn’t really change my perspective.

I simply don’t understand how anyone can let themselves go that much (maybe it’s because I’m a self conscious person). I cannot relate one little tiny bit. In this day and age where knowledge about weight loss is widely available, you’d have to be living in a plastic bubble somewhere to not understand what a balanced diet is. Go to the library/internet and you’ll be overwhelmed with fat loss info…

As regards the psychology, I do think that many thickly built people have it hard when it comes to mindset. I think many heavy people tend to have kind/friendly and sympathetic natures, they’re laid back, and don’t tend to be very egotistical. I don’t mean to put them all in a “box”, but many are like that which is great is some ways, but not in others. The laid back nature tends to make them less concerned about their physique. And the sympathetic natures tend to make them give too much “love” to their kids (e.g. “she’s crying, quick, give her something to eat!”).

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Most people still say its all about calories in - calories out…this is not entirely true…Don’t you ever wonder why obese people can’t lose weight despite eating 1400kcal / day? They can eat LESS than lean people and still gain weight. This is an endocrine system disorder, not an issue of over / underfeeding.

You can eat meat and fat in excess one day, and your will regulate your intake on another day, either by increasing energy synthesis, making you move more or by making you eat less. This process gets fucked up when we eat so much CHO, because our hormones become disturbed.

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[quote]its_just_me wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
Geez. I know the internet tends to drop most people’s IQs by several points, but I really think you guys who are bashing and lambasting her are missing the point. NO ONE is defending her obesity. NO ONE is defending her lifestyle and eating habits up to this point. NO ONE is even defending the surgery.

What those of us who are more levelheaded and mature and not governed by emotions based upon whatever issues we may have had in the past are saying is, is that it’s a shame a 14 year old is in that position, but it is a good thing she is making a change and relearning and breaking old habits. All you have to do is look at the link that was posted to Jamie Oliver’s show. That whole town had shitty attitudes towards healthy eating and you are expecting a 14 year old who was probably raised in an eating environment very similar to that and was never taught any better to not make dietary and health mistakes. I had a LOT of territories like that that I managed when I was an underwriter for an insurance company. In fact, WV was one of my old territories. I literally had to travel to places where we went to Burger King and McDonald’s to have a healthier meal than the stuff that was a part of most people’s normal diet in places like that. It’s not like this 14 year old is the 600 pound woman or whatever she weighs that is in the other thread whose goal IS to be the fattest woman in the world. Nor is she one of those overweight/obese people who don’t take care of themselves and have no intention to, yet want it to be treated as a disability or anything ridiculous like that. She is a kid who wants to have a better life and is changing that. [/quote]

I respect your opinion, but I’m not going to pretend that I fully understand. Ironically, Scotland has plenty of obese people in it, but it doesn’t really change my perspective.

I simply don’t understand how anyone can let themselves go that much (maybe it’s because I’m a self conscious person). I cannot relate one little tiny bit. In this day and age where knowledge about weight loss is widely available, you’d have to be living in a plastic bubble somewhere to not understand what a balanced diet is. Go to the library/internet and you’ll be overwhelmed with fat loss info…

As regards the psychology, I do think that many thickly built people have it hard when it comes to mindset. I think many heavy people tend to have kind/friendly and sympathetic natures, they’re laid back, and don’t tend to be very egotistical. I don’t mean to put them all in a “box”, but many are like that which is great is some ways, but not in others. The laid back nature tends to make them less concerned about their physique. And the sympathetic natures tend to make them give too much “love” to their kids (e.g. “she’s crying, quick, give her something to eat!”).[/quote]

On page 3 you whine and bitch about being picked on for being skinny, yet you can’t understand and can’t relate to her being picked on by the posters in this thread?

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
On page 3 you whine and bitch about being picked on for being skinny, yet you can’t understand and can’t relate to her being picked on by the posters in this thread? [/quote]

No, I can relate to the insults, but not to doing little about it.

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[quote]midgethearsexb wrote:

I think it’s great that this girl is finally taking action! I never once said that she was an idiot or a loser. I only said I disagree with the parents being solely responsible. The fact that my wife knew that she had to hide the Oreos, only shows that she knew it was wrong, so that is why she hid them. And yes, like this girl, my wife took action. She went to her parents and told them that she wanted to make a change and they helped her with that change. She was the one that had to initiate it though. She is also the one that is accountable for what she does to herself still to this day. That is the reason that she sees a therapist, to better herself and continue to grow.

I wasn’t trying to be negative, just trying to state my opinion just like you have done. I don’t ever care to join a debate or forensics team, so I think I’m safe with that. I do appreciate your expert opinion nonetheless.

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Flip flop much? The more you reveal about your wife’s situation, the more inconsistent you look. You start of basically saying she should know what she was doing because your wife knew what she was doing at that age and when I point out she is trying to do something, you throw in that your wife said she needed help when she was 14, also. They BOTH realized they needed to change and do something different. What exactly IS your point?