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[quote]its_just_me wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
On page 3 you whine and bitch about being picked on for being skinny, yet you can’t understand and can’t relate to her being picked on by the posters in this thread? [/quote]

No, I was talking about not being able to relate to not taking enough action to change yourself. I can relate to the insults, but not to doing little about it.[/quote]

She’s exercising and focusing on eating right. That isn’t action to change?

I’m done with this thread. You all are making my brain hurt.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]its_just_me wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
On page 3 you whine and bitch about being picked on for being skinny, yet you can’t understand and can’t relate to her being picked on by the posters in this thread? [/quote]

No, I was talking about not being able to relate to not taking enough action to change yourself. I can relate to the insults, but not to doing little about it.[/quote]

She’s exercising and focusing on eating right. That isn’t action to change?

I’m done with this thread. You all are making my brain hurt.[/quote]

LOL…same here

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]midgethearsexb wrote:

I think it’s great that this girl is finally taking action! I never once said that she was an idiot or a loser. I only said I disagree with the parents being solely responsible. The fact that my wife knew that she had to hide the Oreos, only shows that she knew it was wrong, so that is why she hid them. And yes, like this girl, my wife took action. She went to her parents and told them that she wanted to make a change and they helped her with that change. She was the one that had to initiate it though. She is also the one that is accountable for what she does to herself still to this day. That is the reason that she sees a therapist, to better herself and continue to grow.

I wasn’t trying to be negative, just trying to state my opinion just like you have done. I don’t ever care to join a debate or forensics team, so I think I’m safe with that. I do appreciate your expert opinion nonetheless.

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Flip flop much? The more you reveal about your wife’s situation, the more inconsistent you look. You start of basically saying she should know what she was doing because your wife knew what she was doing at that age and when I point out she is trying to do something, you throw in that your wife said she needed help when she was 14, also. They BOTH realized they needed to change and do something different. What exactly IS your point? [/quote]

I never said that this girl won’t need help, only that she will have to be the one to seek out the help, initiate the change, and hold herself responsible for what she has done to herself. She can’t blame it on anyone else. If she does, she probably won’t get very far.

Point is, it is nobody’s fault but her own.

And believe it or not, I agree with you and think that it is great that she is doing something about it.

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[quote]dan.desroches wrote:
Most people still say its all about calories in - calories out…this is not entirely true…Don’t you ever wonder why obese people can’t lose weight despite eating 1400kcal / day? They can eat LESS than lean people and still gain weight. This is an endocrine system disorder, not an issue of over / underfeeding.

You can eat meat and fat in excess one day, and your will regulate your intake on another day, either by increasing energy synthesis, making you move more or by making you eat less. This process gets fucked up when we eat so much CHO, because our hormones become disturbed. [/quote]

I agree to disagree.

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At least she has done the whole “admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.” I agree that has taken too long for her to admit it, but you never know what causes epiphanies or moments of clarity in others lives. It could have been some boy in her class that she is interested in blowing her off or something closer to that Carrie movie. I find it unfortunate that gastric bypass is the first step in recovery. She needs to practice healthy eating habits and get accustomed to an active lifestyle before taking such a drastic step. No, playing Wii does not count as being “active.” I have several friends who got gastric bypass, lost a lot of weight (mostly due to the shock), and then gained it all or most of it back. One of them is bigger now than she was before. Last time I saw her she was drinking a 16oz pepsi and had a snickers in her purse. She clearly wasn’t ready for the lifestyle change. She was 18 when she got the surgery. If there were a poll on this thread for who to blame, I would click the “parents” button. Albeit there are tons of factors here: fast food, commercials and advertising, inactivity, etc. I don’t beleive in the whole “food is ingrained in my life” or any other EXCUSE that some people make. It’s not a disease, it’s an addiction which can be broken if you are stong in mind. Add one more thing the the list of problems in the once great country.

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[quote]dan.desroches wrote:
Most people still say its all about calories in - calories out…this is not entirely true…Don’t you ever wonder why obese people can’t lose weight despite eating 1400kcal / day? They can eat LESS than lean people and still gain weight. This is an endocrine system disorder, not an issue of over / underfeeding.

You can eat meat and fat in excess one day, and your will regulate your intake on another day, either by increasing energy synthesis, making you move more or by making you eat less. This process gets fucked up when we eat so much CHO, because our hormones become disturbed. [/quote]

This sounds like a cop put for being being fat and lazy.

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[quote]bluefingas wrote:

[quote]dan.desroches wrote:
Most people still say its all about calories in - calories out…this is not entirely true…Don’t you ever wonder why obese people can’t lose weight despite eating 1400kcal / day? They can eat LESS than lean people and still gain weight. This is an endocrine system disorder, not an issue of over / underfeeding.

You can eat meat and fat in excess one day, and your will regulate your intake on another day, either by increasing energy synthesis, making you move more or by making you eat less. This process gets fucked up when we eat so much CHO, because our hormones become disturbed. [/quote]

This sounds like a cop put for being being fat and lazy.[/quote]

Amen, not every fat fuck out there has a metabolic dysfunction. I bet you a lot of them claim that though.

I had a friend who was fat in HS, and it looked like he ate just what all the rest of us ate. Breakfast, school lunch, lil snack heren there. He’d say “I’m not hungry” a lot.

But when he’d go home, whee no one was looking, hed binge like crazy, eating 3 boxes of mac n cheese at a time, a while big size bag of chips, etc.

And at parties, hed get wasted and just rape the fridge. just shovel shit down like nobody’s business.

So before you go make a cop out for fat people, use your head first. If most fat people had this “metabolic dysfunction”, there would have been plenty of fat bastards throughout history, not just recently.

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[quote]dan.desroches wrote:
Most people still say its all about calories in - calories out…this is not entirely true…Don’t you ever wonder why obese people can’t lose weight despite eating 1400kcal / day? They can eat LESS than lean people and still gain weight. This is an endocrine system disorder, not an issue of over / underfeeding.

You can eat meat and fat in excess one day, and your will regulate your intake on another day, either by increasing energy synthesis, making you move more or by making you eat less. This process gets fucked up when we eat so much CHO, because our hormones become disturbed. [/quote]

Please don’t be that gullible. What people SAY is not the same as what they DO. Most people underestimate their food intake to begin with, but I have had an obese person tell me right to my face how little they supposedly eat after watching them devour a whole bucket of KFC by themselves the night previous about as effortlessly as most of us could eat a handful of grapes.

The next time a truly morbidly obese person tells you they just eat “1400kcals” a day…just add another 5-6,000 to that for good measure.

They mistakingly thought those loaves of bread didn’t count.

They will also claim they have “tried everything”…you know, except a long term permanent life change, regular daily exercise and a reduced calorie diet for longer than a week at a time.

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[quote]dan.desroches wrote:
Most people still say its all about calories in - calories out…this is not entirely true…Don’t you ever wonder why obese people can’t lose weight despite eating 1400kcal / day? They can eat LESS than lean people and still gain weight. This is an endocrine system disorder, not an issue of over / underfeeding.
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I don’t believe that for a second. I do not believe that anyone is going to become morbidly obese to the tune of 400 pounds or maintain that kind of weight on a 1400 calorie a day diet. I don’t care how fucked up their hormones are, that’s simply not possible.

I’m so tired of hearing fat people say that they eat so much less than me. Oh, bullshit. Maybe they eat fewer meals than I do but they also eat candy bars and cookies. Candy bars and cookies actually GASP have calories!

Most people have no idea how many calories they eat in a day. Sure, they claim to eat only 1400 calories a day but they also think that a foot long from Subway is about 100 calories. Or that the calories consumed from licking frosting off a spoon after baking cupcakes don’t count.

They are NOT eating 1400 calories a day, they just THINK that they are. There is a world of difference between those two realities.

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[quote]dan.desroches wrote:
Most people still say its all about calories in - calories out…this is not entirely true…Don’t you ever wonder why obese people can’t lose weight despite eating 1400kcal / day? They can eat LESS than lean people and still gain weight. This is an endocrine system disorder, not an issue of over / underfeeding.
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An obese person eating 1400 kcals a day and gaining weight??

Try again.Seriously like.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]bluefingas wrote:

[quote]dan.desroches wrote:
Most people still say its all about calories in - calories out…this is not entirely true…Don’t you ever wonder why obese people can’t lose weight despite eating 1400kcal / day? They can eat LESS than lean people and still gain weight. This is an endocrine system disorder, not an issue of over / underfeeding.

You can eat meat and fat in excess one day, and your will regulate your intake on another day, either by increasing energy synthesis, making you move more or by making you eat less. This process gets fucked up when we eat so much CHO, because our hormones become disturbed. [/quote]

This sounds like a cop put for being being fat and lazy.[/quote]

Amen, not every fat fuck out there has a metabolic dysfunction. I bet you a lot of them claim that though.

I had a friend who was fat in HS, and it looked like he ate just what all the rest of us ate. Breakfast, school lunch, lil snack heren there. He’d say “I’m not hungry” a lot.

But when he’d go home, whee no one was looking, hed binge like crazy, eating 3 boxes of mac n cheese at a time, a while big size bag of chips, etc.

And at parties, hed get wasted and just rape the fridge. just shovel shit down like nobody’s business.

So before you go make a cop out for fat people, use your head first. If most fat people had this “metabolic dysfunction”, there would have been plenty of fat bastards throughout history, not just recently.
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amen

o yea about the 1400 kcal, i think they forgot to mention the extra 0 in there so its more like 14000

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[quote]wigsa wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
And regardless of how she got there, at least she is saying she realizes it is a lifestyle change and is trying to change and set new goals for herself. I don’t agree with the surgery unless it is a life or death situation, but it doesn’t seem like she thinks this is the end all be all of what she has to do to get back down to a healthy body size. [/quote]

Why couldn’t she realise this 3 years ago when she was 250 pounds and 3 to 4 times the size of all the other children her age at school or wherever??She gluttoned herself up to 400 and then realised she needed to change.But she was fine getting herself to that size.

I suppose it is slightly harsh of me because she is only 14,but I don’t make any apologies for it.[/quote]

Dude, do you realize she’s a child?

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Fuck, did anyone else hope/think it was some ridiculous genetic freak of nature muscle bound 14 year old kid when they read the title?

So fucking disappointed.

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George Carlins take on fat people/food courts/shopping malls in america is classic if anyone gets the chance.

“big fat fuckers shopping and eating and eating and shopping”

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dan.desroches wrote:
Most people still say its all about calories in - calories out…this is not entirely true…Don’t you ever wonder why obese people can’t lose weight despite eating 1400kcal / day? They can eat LESS than lean people and still gain weight. This is an endocrine system disorder, not an issue of over / underfeeding.

You can eat meat and fat in excess one day, and your will regulate your intake on another day, either by increasing energy synthesis, making you move more or by making you eat less. This process gets fucked up when we eat so much CHO, because our hormones become disturbed. [/quote]

Please don’t be that gullible. What people SAY is not the same as what they DO. Most people underestimate their food intake to begin with, but I have had an obese person tell me right to my face how little they supposedly eat after watching them devour a whole bucket of KFC by themselves the night previous about as effortlessly as most of us could eat a handful of grapes.

The next time a truly morbidly obese person tells you they just eat “1400kcals” a day…just add another 5-6,000 to that for good measure.

They mistakingly thought those loaves of bread didn’t count.

They will also claim they have “tried everything”…you know, except a long term permanent life change, regular daily exercise and a reduced calorie diet for longer than a week at a time.[/quote]

I know how some people might have a slow metabolism or whatever excuse but some people talk as if the laws of physics just don’t apply to them.

I’m pretty sure most 120lb’er would begin to lose weight on 1400kcals a day. So I doubt a +300lb specimen wouldn’t. There are only 1400kcals in 1400kcals!

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so fuckin envious of her.
i mean what an appetite. if i could eat as much beef, potatoes and protein shakes as she does donuts fries and soda, id be a freakin beast.

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[quote]Berserkergang wrote:

[quote]wigsa wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
And regardless of how she got there, at least she is saying she realizes it is a lifestyle change and is trying to change and set new goals for herself. I don’t agree with the surgery unless it is a life or death situation, but it doesn’t seem like she thinks this is the end all be all of what she has to do to get back down to a healthy body size. [/quote]

Why couldn’t she realise this 3 years ago when she was 250 pounds and 3 to 4 times the size of all the other children her age at school or wherever??She gluttoned herself up to 400 and then realised she needed to change.But she was fine getting herself to that size.

I suppose it is slightly harsh of me because she is only 14,but I don’t make any apologies for it.[/quote]

Dude, do you realize she’s a child?
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You Are No Man!

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[quote]Berserkergang wrote:

[quote]wigsa wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
And regardless of how she got there, at least she is saying she realizes it is a lifestyle change and is trying to change and set new goals for herself. I don’t agree with the surgery unless it is a life or death situation, but it doesn’t seem like she thinks this is the end all be all of what she has to do to get back down to a healthy body size. [/quote]

Why couldn’t she realise this 3 years ago when she was 250 pounds and 3 to 4 times the size of all the other children her age at school or wherever??She gluttoned herself up to 400 and then realised she needed to change.But she was fine getting herself to that size.

I suppose it is slightly harsh of me because she is only 14,but I don’t make any apologies for it.[/quote]

Dude, do you realize she’s a child?
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Yes, she is a child, therefore when the weight started to pack on she was young enough for her parents to help her control what she ate. Get all the crap food out of the house for starters. The only way anyone could get up to 400lbs. is by eating anything and everything in sight.

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[quote]dan.desroches wrote:
Most people still say its all about calories in - calories out…this is not entirely true…Don’t you ever wonder why obese people can’t lose weight despite eating 1400kcal / day? They can eat LESS than lean people and still gain weight. This is an endocrine system disorder, not an issue of over / underfeeding.

You can eat meat and fat in excess one day, and your will regulate your intake on another day, either by increasing energy synthesis, making you move more or by making you eat less. This process gets fucked up when we eat so much CHO, because our hormones become disturbed. [/quote]

I agree to a point. There have been studies which have shown animals gaining muscle while in a calorie deficit, which I think screws a little bit with the traditional idea that positive calorie balance = weight gain while negative calorie balance = weight loss.
I believe that the point about excessive CHO is valid (excessive and/or processed to all hell), as screwing with hormones can cause all sorts of things to go wrong.
This is not to say that the vast majority of obese people have an actual metabolic disorder contributing to their weight however.

I guess this is my long winded way of saying that I believe the calorie intake vs. expenditure model of weight loss/gain has some flaws. I do still believe it is the best model we have at the moment though, and works even better when we don’t eat shitty food.

There is a reason doctors prescribe a VLCD (very low calorie diet: around 500cals daily) for the highly overweight afterall: It works.

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One good analogy I came across recently was this: If you take a growing boy, and starve him, the growth stops. If you take an obese man, and starve him, the growth also stops. Then, once you remove the starvation diet, they both start growing again. This shows it’s not entirely a problem of eating too much, but too little quality.

If I ate 1400kcal / d of snickers bars, I would probably get fat. I wouldn’t gain weight, but my body composition would shift to one holding more fat mass, and less lean tissue. If I continued with this diet, or a similar shitty quality diet, I’d probably develop hypertension, hyperglycemia, hyperinsulinemia and very likely hypertriglyceridemia. Having high blood levels of insulin is just asking to store fat.

You literally cannot store one ounce of fat in a fat cell without insulin. Having high levels of circulating insulin, by eating all this floury sugary shit, will undoubtedly cause you to store more energy than if you ingest the same amount of energy from a different source.