The sad part is that someone will probably still fuck her. When she’s of legal age of course.
Gastric bypass surgery is going to be her best hope IMO.
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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
This poor girl. Her parents are hideous. We need to be her army, her support system.
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They sure are hideous, I actually just found a picture of her father!
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yah… just a useless '09er.
must suck to be you.
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Not useless… he made me chuckle
Stop hating on the kid, shes only 14 and only now realizes what the fuck is wrong with her. She needs help and someone to guide her to lose weight.
These parents that let their kids get this fat… I just dont understand what goes on in their heads? I mean… shit… the fuck…
Im just so… disgusted with people…
Lol, just get on a damn treadmill. Quit bitching about how hard it is to be fat, especially if you’re not even trying to help yourself. And the people that are pitying her for being fat, get over it. It doesn’t even sound like she’s trying. She needs to get motivated, and nothing is more motivating then everyone who ever sees her going “Dayuuummmm! That’s a HUUUGE bitch!”.
[quote]Emain123 wrote:
Lol, just get on a damn treadmill. Quit bitching about how hard it is to be fat, especially if you’re not even trying to help yourself. And the people that are pitying her for being fat, get over it. It doesn’t even sound like she’s trying. She needs to get motivated, and nothing is more motivating then everyone who ever sees her going “Dayuuummmm! That’s a HUUUGE bitch!”. [/quote]
I’m assuming that was sarcasm - all of it, not just the last bit? If not, directly from the article:
Now, she said, she is well on her way to becoming a healthy teen and adult. She works out playing the Wii video game and walks every day with her brother after school. She is eating a high-protein diet.
“This surgery is a tool in your tool box to becoming healthy,” she said. “It is not the quick fix. You need a lot more. You need to exercise you need to make the right food choices.”
I think a couple of you guys are more than total mother fuckers (not in the cool Tnation kinda way but just fuckin tools) Especially people who have never been over weight and never experience any issues with food dont know shit. You dont know shit. A person can much more easily keep off weight then lose it… we should all know this.
Especially when you grow up eating shit all the time, I did because my dad was diagnosed with cancer and my parents regularly had to drive two hours away… followed up in the last ten years by severasl serious health issues…and it me and my two brothers left to cook simple stuff like pizzas because being 10-16 years old most kids dont know how to cook. When you grow up eating shit… you gain weight even if you are very active. I have very few memories not being over weight.
I would play outside every single day with a large group of friends who were obsessed with football, baseball,hockey,swimming, hell I even played golf and soccer when we got bored.I am naturally athletic and have a heavy competitive attitude.So its not like I sat inside all day long playing video games. I didnt even touch our home computer till I was almost 13 (19 atm) even though I was a very active kid… I weighed about 100lbs when I was 10 and 175 when I was 13-14 and it just got worse as I got older… I never really realized what was happening and my parents didnt really know what to do.
My all time highest weight has been in the 320s. Food became naturally in-twined in all aspects of life. When experts say that people attach happiness to food… they celebrate with food etc its very true. Some people do it much more than others. When your happy you eat… when your pissed you eat…if something great happens…you eat. So when you realize whats happening to you its very hard to take control of it all.
Working out, exercising in general or any physical excretion is not a problem for me. I’m not the biggest fan but I start to revile in it when I get the ball rolling. I love to push myself harder and harder. One last rep, push up, step is on my mind every time I reach the breaking point. I like to compare my self to two guys I know. One is 19 and one is 40.
The 19 is a wannbe body builder, he would be considered by normal people as in great shape, ripped and very lean, about 160lbs (being on T-Nation for two years… he needs to add about 50lbs of lean muscle and quit the cutting bullshit) He does everything half assed. We jog for about 20 mintues, then do a few body weight exercises and stretches to warm up.
He drags his feet the whole time and stops every chance he gets, literally bitching and moaning the whole time about how he doesnt do cardio. He musters one push up then falls to the ground lifelessly. Hes pathetic in every sense.He continuous his efforts on a regular basis. The 40 year old guy, a good friend, is 12%bf and about 220 at 6’0 tall. Good by any standards. He loves to push himself and never quits. Hes definitely a guy I look up to.
My biggest problem is absolutely food. The biggest thing that pisses me off is eating without even realizing it. I can pick something up and take a bite before I realize I started eating it. So it becomes really necessary to avoid anything likes chips etc… its really hard to control. its not bullshit… its like its so ingrained i dont think about it…sometimes I just get really pissed because Ill try to eat a handful of chips and close the bag and put it aside but a little while later my hand is in the bag then I think WTF…closes bag…
Food is also a diversion from boredom. When I look at my best friend, a guy the same age as me, but skinny as a rail at 140lbs, we treat food totally differently. He keeps every kind of junk food imaginable in his room within reach, chips, soda,candy… and lots of it. I was over his house the other day and he had 6 family size bags of various chips ffs. Whats the difference between us? He only eats when he is hungry…he will eat a few chips then put them down without even noticing.
He will routinely forget he got something to eat because he got distracted. He even throws away fast food if hes not hungry… like an entire large fry from mcdonalds lol…most people I know, even people who are a normal weight would suffer through every one of those french fries just to eat them. I use food as a kind of entertainment.
I feel bored and since food tastes good, and feels good to eat… its hard to not want to start eating something…rarely do I feel like im full or satisfied to a point I would eat something because im bored… and when I do feel full it annoys me because I wanted to eat something. How freakin messed up is that?
Obese people are usually that way for a more complex reason then…they eat junk food and their fuckin lazy ass wont jump on the tread mill. A lot of people have issues with food far more complex and difficult to deal with then just dont eat.
I dont want to jump on any kinda mental issues… but it can be mixed into a lot of different issues and reasons…so insulting someone or making fun of them will much more than just likely not make them not want to lose weight or atleast cause them to lose weight because…if they’re hurt by it or pissed off then they may just go eat more. I attribute alot of the issues I have with food from my father being very sick (takes two hands to count close calls with death) and not only did we have to deal with the trauma and anxiety of all, my brothers and I had to fend for ourselves a lot because of the constant doctors visits.
So before you make a total fuckin douche of yourself, try realizing that not all overweight or obese people are lazy fat fucks who never move off the couch. Its much more complicated then that.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I feel soooooo sorry for this kid. Her parents are so responsible. And Wigsa… she is 14. You say she should have realized 2 or 3 years ago… So you want to start making her accountable at 11 years old? Dude… dial it back and get some perspective.
I am glad this is part of the news and I hope it shocks some parents that keep their kids happy with video games, potato chips, and yoohoos. This is their reality.
I remember as a kid that if I was in the house too long my parents would shove us outside and my mom would lock the door. We were allowed to run wild until it got dark. Heaven forbid we dare say we were bored because you did not want to have mom or dad give you something to do. And if I got in trouble dad would make us dig holes in the yard. Just get a shovel and dig, then fill them up. Then ask us if we enjoyed how we spent the day.
man times have changed. That poor kid is in such a social deficit. I don’t think surgery is her answer but good for her for trying to make a change at only 14yrs old.
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When I was 11 years old I had to cut 15 pounds so that I could make weight and be eligible to play quarterback. I wasn’t overweight or fat, just really tall for my age. I was only 11, but I knew what I had to do. I didn’t have my dad telling me not to eat the doughnuts he would bring home. I started eating lots of watermelon and carrots, running every day, and I worked my ass off! I made weight and won the starting QB position (not hard when you’re only 11), but nonetheless I did it. You know a lot when you’re 11. I watched my first porno when I was 10 or 11. Kids are having sex at 11. If you know how to bone, you should also know that you’re fat and you need to do something about it. Hell, back in the 30’s and 40’s girls were getting married at the age of 15. We, as a society, set the “age of accountability” at 18 which is horse shit. She needs to be held accountable for her decisions. Her parents didn’t force feed her. She is 100% aware of what she is doing and that she needs help. She is old enough to take care of her own business. Period.
As I stated earlier in the thread, my wife weighed 180 when she was 14. I asked her if she knew what she was doing when she would hide whole boxes of Oreos in her room. She knew exactly what she was doing and what it would do to her. Yeah her parents had an influence on her behavior, but she still had to make the decisions to binge each and every day being 100% aware of what she was doing.
I don’t disagree that it is harder for some people than others. My wife struggles with her problem every day of her life. She sees a therapist weekly about her issues and is also a second year grad student on her way to becoming a therapist, because she wants to thoroughly understand why she does what she does (in all aspects of life). She knows she has/had a problem, but she is doing something about it.
So what’s the point of what I’ve said? The girl knows better even though she is only 14. Think about it, when you were 14 didn’t you have an influence on your parents? Could you get your parents to buy you what you wanted? Could you get your mom to cook you what you wanted for dinner? All she has to do is say, “Mom/Dad, I have a problem and I really need your help.” Or tell a teacher at school or someone at church. Honestly, do you think that if her parents forced her to lose the weight that she would lose it? Would that stop her from hiding food in her room? Of course not! The change has to come from within herself, not her parents. She can’t continue to blame her parents for all of her problems, because as long as she does she will continue on the same destructive path.
[quote]Emain123 wrote:
Lol, just get on a damn treadmill. Quit bitching about how hard it is to be fat, especially if you’re not even trying to help yourself. And the people that are pitying her for being fat, get over it. It doesn’t even sound like she’s trying. She needs to get motivated, and nothing is more motivating then everyone who ever sees her going “Dayuuummmm! That’s a HUUUGE bitch!”. [/quote]
wow… stupid… 2010 er
thought things would get better after the 09er mess
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Yet you want me to pay for her healthcare?
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Um… You already are paying, long before the new healthcare bill. All of these people who have no insurance have been going to the emergency room because it is illegal for them to refuse treatment. Since there is no will to change that (even among republicans), the next best thing is to bring the cost down and funnel these people into doctor’s offices so they don’t get in the way of people having a heart attack or a stroke, and really do need the emergency room.
Yeah, it’s fucked up in a lot of ways, but it’s better than the status quo.
[quote]Petermus wrote:
I think a couple of you guys are more than total mother fuckers (not in the cool Tnation kinda way but just fuckin tools)
He even throws away fast food if hes not hungry… like an entire large fry from mcdonalds lol…most people I know, even people who are a normal weight would suffer through every one of those french fries just to eat them.[/quote]
That whole post was da bomb. Well said. It’s pretty fucking amazing that people would come on here, see a 14 year old who was overweight at 3, and blame her for her condition. If any of these tools ever grow up and decide to stop being ass-holes, they will learn how hard it is to change something totally ingrained into your psychology.
About throwing out food, my dad would make us eat every last thing on our plates. We were taught that it was immoral/sinful to waste food. As an adult, I re-evaluated that. The thing is, it may be immoral to waste food that could go to someone in need. But 99 times out of 100, there is no way to get that box of fries to someone in need. So, you have only two choices: 1) Use that food to cause harm (by eating it), or 2) Throw it away so it does no harm.
The only logical conclusion in that case, if you can’t give it to someone who needs it, is to throw it out. So when you find some unhealthy shit in your hand, toss it. Go get a glass of water so your body can go through the motions of consuming something. Then go find something to do that will occupy your mind so it doesn’t drift back to food.
The other thing that has helped me, is to feel good about being hungry. Sounds crazy and/or impossible. But if you recognize that when you are a little bit hungry, that is when your body is actually burning fat, you can start to like it.
My rule of thumb for cutting: If you are a little bit hungry, good. It’s working. If you are a lot hungry, go eat a fist-sized portion of high protein - medium fat - low carb healthy food like a turkey burger on a thin bun. Since you are hungry, it will even taste good. 
Good luck man.
[quote]CITI913 wrote:
She was overweight starting at the age of three! And if you click on a link in the article they have pictures of her over 14 years.
Even if she does loose the weight and gets down to 150, the excessive skin will be her next issue.
Chris Shugart mentions his article of fat people that its the parent to blame to a point too. If your parents only feed you garbage for your youth, that is “normal” for you.
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I completely second this.
It is absolutely insane to me that a child so young could be like this.
It is a direct reflection of the parents. Even if the parents of the child are NOT obese, they still were the ones molding the diet of her from day 1!
And parents want to blame the media and other children for teasing or the image portrayed by media these days.
Wrong answer. You should blame yourself for shoving soda and mcdonalds down your childrens throats for dinner everyday when they were small kids.
I’m sorry, but I was raised eating fruits and vegetables everyday, and never allowed fast food.
And I still hold those habits very true and close to me.
Ignorant fucks.
[quote]steadfastred wrote:
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FUCK MY LIFE!!!
When I was 11 years old I had to cut 15 pounds so that I could make weight and be eligible to play quarterback. I wasn’t overweight or fat, just really tall for my age. I was only 11, but I knew what I had to do. I didn’t have my dad telling me not to eat the doughnuts he would bring home. I started eating lots of watermelon and carrots, running every day, and I worked my ass off!
I made weight and won the starting QB position (not hard when you’re only 11), but nonetheless I did it. You know a lot when you’re 11. I watched my first porno when I was 10 or 11. Kids are having sex at 11. If you know how to bone, you should also know that you’re fat and you need to do something about it. Hell, back in the 30’s and 40’s girls were getting married at the age of 15. We, as a society, set the “age of accountability” at 18 which is horse shit.
She needs to be held accountable for her decisions. Her parents didn’t force feed her. She is 100% aware of what she is doing and that she needs help. She is old enough to take care of her own business. Period.
WELL PUT UTAH!
When people say obesity is a mental thing caused by deep rooted problems,it reminds me of that episode of to cath a predator when they catch the same guy twice in 2 days and he blames it on a death in his family that he never got over.
It’s called a FUCKING COP OUT.
[quote]melanieamber12 wrote:
When I was 11 years old I had to cut 15 pounds so that I could make weight and be eligible to play quarterback. I wasn’t overweight or fat, just really tall for my age. I was only 11, but I knew what I had to do. I didn’t have my dad telling me not to eat the doughnuts he would bring home. I started eating lots of watermelon and carrots, running every day, and I worked my ass off! I made weight and won the starting QB position (not hard when you’re only 11), but nonetheless I did it. You know a lot when you’re 11. I watched my first porno when I was 10 or 11. Kids are having sex at 11. If you know how to bone, you should also know that you’re fat and you need to do something about it. Hell, back in the 30’s and 40’s girls were getting married at the age of 15. We, as a society, set the “age of accountability” at 18 which is horse shit. She needs to be held accountable for her decisions. Her parents didn’t force feed her. She is 100% aware of what she is doing and that she needs help. She is old enough to take care of her own business. Period.
Great post.
I absolutely love it how there’s always a bandwagon of defenders for obese people:
“oh it’s genetics…it’s psychology etc etc etc…”
Where was my bandwagon of supporters when I was skinny? Where was my advice/commercials/books…etc helping me overcome my situation?
I’ll tell you, nowhere!
Nothing but advice on how to lose weight…
I got made fun of for being skinny, and even fat people called me skinny (obviously to make themselves feel not so bad). There’s far more support and empathy for obese people than there are skinny people who don’t want to be skinny.
Isn’t it funny how society “think” it’s perfectly fine to make fun of skinny people (even unknowingly sometimes), to even be bitter towards them, but it’s a big “no no” to do anything remotely close to fat people? As if skinny people are negligible and unimportant (or somehow shouldn’t want to change their situation)…
Yeah, genetics worked against me big time too. I could write a whole page of how I just didn’t feel like eating etc, and how no matter how much I ate I couldn’t put on weight…but in the end…it’s all just excuses because if even a little helps, it still needs to be done consistently and with effort.
Sorry if I don’t sound very sympathetic and sound ignorant, it’s just I don’t see the point in sympathy after a certain point…some people need a good kick up the backside. And this does work in many cases - I’ve heard of many cases where some kind of embarrassing situation or cause for anger/frustration actually created the drive to make a change…
It’s not that I don’t feel for these people - I do, and I would really love to help, but they have to really have enough desire to help themselves first.
I used to be obese, but… well um… she really must um… well i have seen worse, just like that 400 lb 7 year old from before. I really think she needs to see someone she has "issue"s, i would not like to be the person who takes care of her /shudders
Geez. I know the internet tends to drop most people’s IQs by several points, but I really think you guys who are bashing and lambasting her are missing the point. NO ONE is defending her obesity. NO ONE is defending her lifestyle and eating habits up to this point. NO ONE is even defending the surgery.
What those of us who are more levelheaded and mature and not governed by emotions based upon whatever issues we may have had in the past are saying is, is that it’s a shame a 14 year old is in that position, but it is a good thing she is making a change and relearning and breaking old habits. All you have to do is look at the link that was posted to Jamie Oliver’s show. That whole town had shitty attitudes towards healthy eating and you are expecting a 14 year old who was probably raised in an eating environment very similar to that and was never taught any better to not make dietary and health mistakes. I had a LOT of territories like that that I managed when I was an underwriter for an insurance company. In fact, WV was one of my old territories. I literally had to travel to places where we went to Burger King and McDonald’s to have a healthier meal than the stuff that was a part of most people’s normal diet in places like that. It’s not like this 14 year old is the 600 pound woman or whatever she weighs that is in the other thread whose goal IS to be the fattest woman in the world. Nor is she one of those overweight/obese people who don’t take care of themselves and have no intention to, yet want it to be treated as a disability or anything ridiculous like that. She is a kid who wants to have a better life and is changing that.
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
Geez. I know the internet tends to drop most people’s IQs by several points, but I really think you guys who are bashing and lambasting her are missing the point. NO ONE is defending her obesity. NO ONE is defending her lifestyle and eating habits up to this point. NO ONE is even defending the surgery.
What those of us who are more levelheaded and mature and not governed by emotions based upon whatever issues we may have had in the past are saying is, is that it’s a shame a 14 year old is in that position, but it is a good thing she is making a change and relearning and breaking old habits. All you have to do is look at the link that was posted to Jamie Oliver’s show. That whole town had shitty attitudes towards healthy eating and you are expecting a 14 year old who was probably raised in an eating environment very similar to that and was never taught any better to not make dietary and health mistakes. I had a LOT of territories like that that I managed when I was an underwriter for an insurance company. In fact, WV was one of my old territories. I literally had to travel to places where we went to Burger King and McDonald’s to have a healthier meal than the stuff that was a part of most people’s normal diet in places like that. It’s not like this 14 year old is the 600 pound woman or whatever she weighs that is in the other thread whose goal IS to be the fattest woman in the world. Nor is she one of those overweight/obese people who don’t take care of themselves and have no intention to, yet want it to be treated as a disability or anything ridiculous like that. She is a kid who wants to have a better life and is changing that. [/quote]
This.
But you have to understand that a lot of the posters here have all the maturity and experience that the ripe old age of 22 can bring. I mean how can you doubt their wisdom?
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
Geez. I know the internet tends to drop most people’s IQs by several points, but I really think you guys who are bashing and lambasting her are missing the point. NO ONE is defending her obesity. NO ONE is defending her lifestyle and eating habits up to this point. NO ONE is even defending the surgery.
What those of us who are more levelheaded and mature and not governed by emotions based upon whatever issues we may have had in the past are saying is, is that it’s a shame a 14 year old is in that position, but it is a good thing she is making a change and relearning and breaking old habits. All you have to do is look at the link that was posted to Jamie Oliver’s show. That whole town had shitty attitudes towards healthy eating and you are expecting a 14 year old who was probably raised in an eating environment very similar to that and was never taught any better to not make dietary and health mistakes. I had a LOT of territories like that that I managed when I was an underwriter for an insurance company. In fact, WV was one of my old territories. I literally had to travel to places where we went to Burger King and McDonald’s to have a healthier meal than the stuff that was a part of most people’s normal diet in places like that. It’s not like this 14 year old is the 600 pound woman or whatever she weighs that is in the other thread whose goal IS to be the fattest woman in the world. Nor is she one of those overweight/obese people who don’t take care of themselves and have no intention to, yet want it to be treated as a disability or anything ridiculous like that. She is a kid who wants to have a better life and is changing that. [/quote]
This.
But you have to understand that a lot of the posters here have all the maturity and experience that the ripe old age of 22 can bring. I mean how can you doubt their wisdom?
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True. I’m only old enough to be a father to most of them, so what could I possibly know?
from what I understand, obesity is not caused by overeating, but the reverse is true. Overeating comes as a symptom of obesity. We have simply messed up the cause-correlation relationship. Also, it’s not a lack of exercise, or lack of “getting on a treadmill” that makes people fat. It’s instead the quality of the calories that they consume. A calorie of carbohydrate is not treated the same way as a calorie of fat within the body. We are far more accustomed to the consumption of fats and proteins for fuel as compared to carbohydrate. Excessive consumption of carbohydrates (not over eating, just eating a majority of CHO), messes with our hormones, namely insulin and glucagon. This is where the problem is. It’s also been recognized in many studies that obese people tend to eat less or equivalent amounts of food as compared to lean people. This just goes to show that over consumption of calories is not the issue.