4 Years Persistant Training (Pics)

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Mr.Purple wrote:

Ok, so if I’m understanding you correctly, even though he started out at 30% BF, you wouldn’t change the approach you normally recommend. I’m thinking that as long as you get on the treadmill, say 3-4 times a week, you can eat a lot and gain muscle without putting on fat. I’d also keep carbs to post workout, and eat pretty “clean.”

How can you say that all people need to do cardio 3-4 times a week? It is these blanket statements I am trying to get you to avoid. I am also speaking OUTSIDE of this one guy because his approach OBVIOUSLY got him to where he is.

What if someone was a 160lbs football player who loses weight faster than he can gain it. Still 2-3 cardio sessions a week?

What if all of that cardio is preventing significant growth in muscle mass? Still cardio 2-3 times a week?

Why would you be more concerned about fat gain than whether you are gaining any muscle mass? That muscle should be top priority unless we are speaking of someone who is truly obese. You make changes from there.

It’s hard to lose the gut when you don’t have any muscle mass. I should know, I dropped 63 lbs and that fucker was still there. (230 to 167 at 5’9") Even did a V-diet in there somewhere…

Man am I tired of being hungry.

Funny thing is, my goal is to get “holy shit” big, but what I’ve always read on this site (except for your posts), is that you should get lean first, then bulk.

LOOK AT THE PEOPLE GIVING SAID ADVICE. If they never got big or even approached your own personal goals, why listen to what they write as if it is the gospel truth.

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Agreed 100%! I used to try and stay lean and I did just that, lean and small as hell! Said fuck it and started eating literally everything that was infront of me, I know not the best approach but I did it. And I can say I made gains that I didn’t expect to make in the next 2 years, in only 6 months.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Mr.Purple wrote:

How can you say that all people need to do cardio 3-4 times a week? It is these blanket statements I am trying to get you to avoid. I am also speaking OUTSIDE of this one guy because his approach OBVIOUSLY got him to where he is.

What if someone was a 160lbs football player who loses weight faster than he can gain it. Still 2-3 cardio sessions a week?

What if all of that cardio is preventing significant growth in muscle mass? Still cardio 2-3 times a week?

Why would you be more concerned about fat gain than whether you are gaining any muscle mass? That muscle should be top priority unless we are speaking of someone who is truly obese. You make changes from there.

LOOK AT THE PEOPLE GIVING SAID ADVICE. If they never got big or even approached your own personal goals, why listen to what they write as if it is the gospel truth.

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I wasn’t saying all people need it. I was suggesting that it could be a good idea for someone who starts out at 30% BF. It was not intended as a blanket statement.

It seems obvious to me that a 160 lbs teenager with a fast metabolism shouldn’t be doing a lot of cardio if he wants to gain weight.

Let’s avoid general statements then, and I’ll ask directly about my own situation.

I’m 26 years old, 5’9" 176 lbs. Not obese anymore, but not at a low level of BF either. I’m having a hard time getting lean, and I know that my metabolism is slow, and always has been. Always was a chubby kid, despite being very active in sports.

After maintaining for a while, I figured I’d give myself 12 weeks to get as lean as I can before dedicating the next few years to getting big and scary. I bought CT’s Get Jacked fast, which seems to me to be a fine program and diet.

However, progress is slow, and I’m having doubts. Plain and simple. I’m wondering if I should bump my intake up, train as much as possible, and have carb cutoffs and do the aforementioned cardio to keep from piling on fat. It’s not like my chest doesn’t measure more than my gut.

By cardio I mean moderate intensity, 30 minutes on a treadmill. Nothing too taxing that would hinder strength gains.

On the other hand, it’s only 10 more weeks to see this diet through, and it would perhaps be foolish to give up on it just because the first 2 weeks have been slow. But oh I do want to make muscle gain my top priority. It’s honestly about the only thing I have never tried.

What was my question again?

Sorry about the ranting.

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At 5’9" 176 I would focus on building more muscle. Right away!

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I’m getting a sneaking suspicion that I should. I’m starting to realize that I’d be all of 157 lbs in a lean state right now.

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Yea - I think it would be a waste of your time to cut just to cut.

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This is dumb. Why grab pictures when you can just post a link if you like of the guys website. Hahaha I like the title though “persistant” training as if the concept is foreign and unheard of.

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I think a lot of you guys don’t realize what it’s like when one has been seriously over eating for years, though.

It distends your belly. Even at 167 lbs I had to suck in my gut to not look fat.

I was obese and smoked 40-60 cigarettes a day a couple of years ago. I’m proud to say I’ve done away with both smoking and over eating.

It does leave me with some pockets of fat that just won’t go away. But ofcourse it would be easier to do if I got up to a muscular 220 lbs. And I’m seriously considering just getting plastic surgery done on my abdomen.

And some pictures I’ve seen on this site where people call themselves “fat.” CT was “fat” in that before picture he always uses? “Had a huge gut?” A condition like he was in is not what I call fat.

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[quote]Tumbles wrote:
At 5’9" 176 I would focus on building more muscle. Right away!
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Agreed. Some of the authors here truly believe that everyone needs to diet down to 12% body fat before they gain any muscle mass. They also don’t have any scientific proof that this somehow aids physique development or produces more muscle growth yet they will debate endlessly that people are just becoming obese if they dare to gain muscle at 13-15% instead.

Needless to say, I disagree. Get some muscle on you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tumbles wrote:
At 5’9" 176 I would focus on building more muscle. Right away!

Agreed. Some of the authors here truly believe that everyone needs to diet down to 12% body fat before they gain any muscle mass. They also don’t have any scientific proof that this somehow aids physique development or produces more muscle growth yet they will debate endlessly that people are just becoming obese if they dare to gain muscle at 13-15% instead.

Needless to say, I disagree. Get some muscle on you.[/quote]

I hear ya. I was looking at a huge guy training in my gym today. I stood there thinking: “If I asked that man how to get that jacked, would the conversation include the words insulin sensitivity?”- Methinks it would not.

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[quote]Mr.Purple wrote:
I think a lot of you guys don’t realize what it’s like when one has been seriously over eating for years, though.

It distends your belly. Even at 167 lbs I had to suck in my gut to not look fat.

I was obese and smoked 40-60 cigarettes a day a couple of years ago. I’m proud to say I’ve done away with both smoking and over eating.

It does leave me with some pockets of fat that just won’t go away. But ofcourse it would be easier to do if I got up to a muscular 220 lbs. And I’m seriously considering just getting plastic surgery done on my abdomen.

And some pictures I’ve seen on this site where people call themselves “fat.” CT was “fat” in that before picture he always uses? “Had a huge gut?” A condition like he was in is not what I call fat.[/quote]
What is the point of this post.

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[quote]kinein wrote:
Mr.Purple wrote:
I think a lot of you guys don’t realize what it’s like when one has been seriously over eating for years, though.

It distends your belly. Even at 167 lbs I had to suck in my gut to not look fat.

I was obese and smoked 40-60 cigarettes a day a couple of years ago. I’m proud to say I’ve done away with both smoking and over eating.

It does leave me with some pockets of fat that just won’t go away. But ofcourse it would be easier to do if I got up to a muscular 220 lbs. And I’m seriously considering just getting plastic surgery done on my abdomen.

And some pictures I’ve seen on this site where people call themselves “fat.” CT was “fat” in that before picture he always uses? “Had a huge gut?” A condition like he was in is not what I call fat.
What is the point of this post.

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I don’t know but I’m laughing because you don’t get really really fucking massive without “overeating”.

Shit, I’ve been “overeating” since I started.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I don’t know but I’m laughing because you don’t get really really fucking massive without “overeating”.

Shit, I’ve been “overeating” since I started.[/quote]

I know you have to eat a lot to grow, that wasn’t the point.

I meant coming back from being an obese slob. Eating like shit for years on end without training. It’s a stupid fucking thing to do, obviously.

My point was that FAT people and a “fat” bodybuilder are two very different things.

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I want to know what those girls commenting on how he had the “ideal male body” in 2004 and got too bulky now, themselves looked like.

Here’s an example:

The video “Sexy Governor” had one solitary female comment
noelclover:
“wow, someone has a very different definition of “sexy” than I do… that was like a cold shower… brrrr…”

Take a trip to “noelclover”'s youtube page and see that she;s a fucking ugly fatass dancing with another fat dude, lol.

And her dancing video (fat girl with fat dude) lol

So the poor goops taking advice on what “women” want are really deigning themselves to get with these fat, ugly chicks lol.

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[quote]Mr.Purple wrote:
Professor X wrote:

I don’t know but I’m laughing because you don’t get really really fucking massive without “overeating”.

Shit, I’ve been “overeating” since I started.

I know you have to eat a lot to grow, that wasn’t the point.

I meant coming back from being an obese slob. Eating like shit for years on end without training. It’s a stupid fucking thing to do, obviously.

My point was that FAT people and a “fat” bodybuilder are two very different things.[/quote]

I’m still failing to see how much of what you are saying has any relevance to the initial thread topic or the subsequent discussion topics. Did you randomly decide that this thread would be somewhere to confess that you were…

  • obese
  • lost SOME weight
  • were thinking about plastic surgery on your midsection

What is the point of repeatedly noting that you were obese. Your personal definition of FAT people vs FAT bodybuilder is great why not elaborate on your concepts instead of saying that your 2 definitions are different. But what is the point…

I think you need to post some pictures and just completely purge yourself so you can go lift some heavy things and move forward with your life.

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[quote]kinein wrote:

I’m still failing to see how much of what you are saying has any relevance to the initial thread topic or the subsequent discussion topics. Did you randomly decide that this thread would be somewhere to confess that you were…

  • obese
  • lost SOME weight
  • were thinking about plastic surgery on your midsection

What is the point of repeatedly noting that you were obese. Your personal definition of FAT people vs FAT bodybuilder is great why not elaborate on your concepts instead of saying that your 2 definitions are different. But what is the point…

I think you need to post some pictures and just completely purge yourself so you can go lift some heavy things and move forward with your life.

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Well it was relevant in my head somehow. Been a long day. The whole thing went entirely off-topic, I agree.

It started by me asking how a guy starting out at 30 % BF ought to train, and then it just went off on a little tangent. And I didn’t get across what I was trying to say. I also bitterly regret using the term “overeating” in a conversation with PX :wink:

Anyways, forget about the whole thing.

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I didn’t see it linked, and thought the most interesting thing was the monthly pics, if you haven’t seen them yet:

Front: http://johnstonefitness.com/all/front/m.php

Side: http://johnstonefitness.com/all/side/m.php

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
wfifer wrote:
The problem with this is not that his progress is unlikely over four years, it’s that all of the progress seems to have occurred within very small time frames. The rest of the time he’s basically fluctuating body fat levels while making either no progress or below average progress.

That is how you progress. This is why people who have built a decent foundation always laugh when people talking about gaining .5 lbs. of muscle a week. You might not gain for six months, and then in two weeks gain 5 pounds of muscle.

You are another one who has not made any progress. You have been on this site for a while, what is your excuse for not making any progress?[/quote]

exactly the case i suddenly added 20 from summer to fall, stuck for a bit in the high 180’s then jumped to 203lbs. i almost feel or know when i’m hitting a grow period, I talk myself into getting bigger. Don’t get me wrong, nutrition, training, intensity are paramount but the “glass ceiling” thing has been mentioned a ton on this site and alot of folks are caught under it, not me…230lbs awaits.

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[quote]T Ham wrote:
I didn’t see it linked, and thought the most interesting thing was the monthly pics, if you haven’t seen them yet:

Front: http://johnstonefitness.com/all/front/m.php

Side: http://johnstonefitness.com/all/side/m.php [/quote]

The thing i like about his site is that it has numbers. I mean everybody says “Eat Big, Lift heavy”. This guy recorded it down to tooth and nail.