4 Law Questions

[quote]Professor X wrote:
steelwheels wrote:

Fuck everyone else. Let them do what they want to do and just look after yourself. When some gangbanger moves in next door to you, pimping girls and selling crack right in front of your house and he’s armed to the teeth, so there is fuck all you can do about it, just remember KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTH SHUT - otherwise you’re a snitch!

That isn’t the point at all and your rant sounds like someone who never lived anywhere near a house that sold drugs. I grew up right next door to one before we moved as a kid. There is a reason many with any type of “hood experience” would handle that situation differently than is being implied by those screaming, “run to the cops!”.

For one, common sense dictates that if someone is selling drugs IN an office, that someone is not only buying them, but willing to look out for the person selling them. Common sense also dictates that gossip is not contained inside of an office environment. Everybody talks in an office.

If you don’t give them shit to talk about, they will make shit up just to have something to talk about you with. That would lead us to the logical conclusion of handling siutuations differently than “run to the cops!!”. The first thing that jumped out at me is this guys’ focus on the “drug dealer’s” political views. Why is that even an issue?

Are we sure he is selling? Who saw the transaction? This guy is telling us this story THROUGH his wife.

Life is more like chess than checkers when dealing with large groups of people. I am wondering why this seems like a concept not considered.[/quote]

As someone who grew up in a neighourhood where drugs were sold I are surprised by your attitude.
Surely, you agree that your neighbourhood would have been a safer place to live without the drug dealers? It’s likely your parents would have felt much safer if you had not been born into this environment, and I’m sure that you would feel the same if the situation was reversed.

Shopping this guy for what he is doing comes down to a question of ethics. I personally have never “snitched” one anybody (just to make that clear). If something was bothering me that much I would either remove myself from the situation, or just put up with it(preferably the former). However, the original poster is obviously at ease with the thought of going to the police, therefore if he feels that this course of action is the best one he should go ahead.

Second guessing that I’ve never lived in a situation were I was living in close proximity this is completely erroneus. Without going into specifics I spent a lengthy period of time were I was surrounded by drugs and drug dealers of every nature. I adapted to this environment very well by keeping my mouth shut. That does not mean that I would’t have been pleased if some of the more unsavoury elements had been removed from the equation.

If society had a greater sense of community the act of “snitching” would not even come into question, since the outcome would be beneficial for the majority, not just the individual. I for one would prefer to live in a place like this.

So as I said intially, go ahead “snitch”.

Wheels

[quote]steelwheels wrote:

As someone who grew up in a neighourhood where drugs were sold I are surprised by your attitude.
Surely, you agree that your neighbourhood would have been a safer place to live without the drug dealers? It’s likely your parents would have felt much safer if you had not been born into this environment, and I’m sure that you would feel the same if the situation was reversed.

Shopping this guy for what he is doing comes down to a question of ethics. I personally have never “snitched” one anybody (just to make that clear). If something was bothering me that much I would either remove myself from the situation, or just put up with it(preferably the former). However, the original poster is obviously at ease with the thought of going to the police, therefore if he feels that this course of action is the best one he should go ahead.

Second guessing that I’ve never lived in a situation were I was living in close proximity this is completely erroneus. Without going into specifics I spent a lengthy period of time were I was surrounded by drugs and drug dealers of every nature. I adapted to this environment very well by keeping my mouth shut. That does not mean that I would’t have been pleased if some of the more unsavoury elements had been removed from the equation.

If society had a greater sense of community the act of “snitching” would not even come into question, since the outcome would be beneficial for the majority, not just the individual. I for one would prefer to live in a place like this.

So as I said intially, go ahead “snitch”.

Wheels[/quote]

Brilliant. My dog was killed. His throat was slit. We moved shortly after. You sound very inexperienced if you read this thread, learned that his wife worked around several meth users, and your solution is to “snitch”, instead of remove herself from the situation.

So I take it that you agree with me in that your childhood would have been safer if those indivudals hadn’t been around?!

The poster never said there were several meth users, just one dealer. When he works a job earning 75K he isn’t just doing it because he is surrounded by his clientele.

If anyone was stupid enough to openly grass the dealer up, then obviously repraisals will occur. However, there are more subtle ways of doing things sometimes.

Yes, the guys wife got a new job, therefore removing herself from the situation, which I agree is the best solution, but as he originally stated, she earned $125K. What do you suggest being an alternative had she not be able to financially able to give this job up?

From what you’re implying the only other course of action you agree with is simply keeping quiet, which isn’t really a course of action at all.

Whilst you can allege certain things about indivudals you cannot base those assumptions on anything other than their prose. Hardly the most accurate way of ascertaining if someone is naive or not!

Wheels

[quote]steelwheels wrote:

The poster never said there were several meth users, just one dealer. When he works a job earning 75K he isn’t just doing it because he is surrounded by his clientele.[/quote]

So, you can’t read? He did not just talk about this one guy. This one guy is simply the dealer. Don’t you think that if selling drugs in an office, someone is buying them in that office?

[quote]
Yes, the guys wife got a new job, therefore removing herself from the situation, which I agree is the best solution, but as he originally stated, she earned $125K. What do you suggest being an alternative had she not be able to financially able to give this job up?[/quote]

Give the job up.

[quote]
From what you’re implying the only other course of action you agree with is simply keeping quiet, which isn’t really a course of action at all.[/quote]

It is not your job to act in every situation, especially when doing so puts your family’s life at risk as opposed to you simply leaving the situation.

[quote]
Whilst you can allege certain things about indivudals you cannot base those assumptions on anything other than their prose. Hardly the most accurate way of ascertaining if someone is naive or not!

Wheels[/quote]

Very poor attempt to sound like you know what you are talking about. Thanks for the convo.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
steelwheels wrote:

The poster never said there were several meth users, just one dealer. When he works a job earning 75K he isn’t just doing it because he is surrounded by his clientele.

So, you can’t read? He did not just talk about this one guy. This one guy is simply the dealer. Don’t you think that if selling drugs in an office, someone is buying them in that office?

Granted, I did miss the post about the users in the office. It was rather late over here in England.

Meth isn?t used in England so I am making certain assumptions, which I?m sure you will make reference to should I be wrong. The original poster states that this drug was originally big in the gay scene. He also states that several people who work in his wife?s office use meth. Obviously, these people must still be functioning to a high capacity, otherwise they wouldn?t keep their (highly paid) jobs. This suggests that meth is a fairly innocuous drug in comparison to crack and heroin (E originated in the gay and rave scene in England).

Just as I think it unlikely that someone who smokes weed, another fairly innocuous drug, is going to turn on the person who shops their supplier. Is the same not likely for meth users? (I do know that meth is addictive, but so is cocaine and there are many individuals who keep their habit just to weekends). Would it not also be just as plausible that these colleagues would want to disassociate themselves from the dealer if the police got involved to save their careers?

Yes, the guys wife got a new job, therefore removing herself from the situation, which I agree is the best solution, but as he originally stated, she earned $125K. What do you suggest being an alternative had she not be able to financially able to give this job up?

Give the job up.

Just like that, ?10k a month down the drain, when the poster themself says they can’t afford to do this.

From what you’re implying the only other course of action you agree with is simply keeping quiet, which isn’t really a course of action at all.

It is not your job to act in every situation, especially when doing so puts your family’s life at risk as opposed to you simply leaving the situation.

Sometimes a lack of action can be just as problematic as taking action. By going to the police he is taking control (to a degree) of the situation, that would otherwise be out of his control. Certain factors have not been divulged, such as the quantities the guy deals, how much he relies on this income, how much he values his freedom. Without ascertaining these things there is no way of knowing how this guy would react if caught by the police.

Whilst you can allege certain things about indivudals you cannot base those assumptions on anything other than their prose. Hardly the most accurate way of ascertaining if someone is naive or not!

Wheels

Very poor attempt to sound like you know what you are talking about. Thanks for the convo.[/quote]

Thanks for replying to this very poor post.

Finally, by suggesting I cannot read, which I obviously can, I feel you are simply detracting from your argument. I’m sure even some of tose individuals who flame you would alter their viewpoint if you became a bit more personable and didn’t resort to such tittle tattle.

Please take this post in the light, but serious, way in which it is intended.

Wheels

Prof, ^

much like yourself I have interchanged your reply with mine. For some reason most of the text has come up grey.

Just thought I’d clarify, I didn’t want you to be too confused!! :wink:

Wheels

OK, how does a

“twitchy little mother fucker all 5ft 2in 125lbs unwashed and scratching his dirty body (because the meth is crystalyzing under his skin)”

make $75,000 at a job in Oregon. I live here, and that is a good salary for the average Oregonian.

Maybe in NYC, where the salaries are much higher, but in Oregon?

Meth is a huge problem here, and I am having such a difficult time believeing that a tweaker can earn that type of money.

[quote]christine wrote:
OK, how does a

“twitchy little mother fucker all 5ft 2in 125lbs unwashed and scratching his dirty body (because the meth is crystalyzing under his skin)”

make $75,000 at a job in Oregon. I live here, and that is a good salary for the average Oregonian.

Maybe in NYC, where the salaries are much higher, but in Oregon?

Meth is a huge problem here, and I am having such a difficult time believeing that a tweaker can earn that type of money.[/quote]

You would be very surprised how many people in the tech industry are tweaking. Unlike you and I most of the employers do not drug test these employees.

The tech industry in itself seems to have a lot of outsider types who do not fit in a mainstream office suituation but they have skills in demand that the manager types will overlook their obvious failings at hygeine.

I have a good friend here in Oregon who makes $9hr. in a sales job while people at my wife’s office look like they are going gardening and make $40 per hour.