I am currently using 4-ad-ec for min. of 4 weeks. I know regular 4-ad converts into T and then over to estrogen. I know Biotest stresses that 4-ad-ec doesnt increase estrodiol lvls. But Just wondering if i should take any means, like M, to secure that estrogen lvls are kept at bey. I havent had any probs with mag-10 the two times, other than supression of HPTA a lil, but i recovered, and i see no water retention or A cups haha. Just wondering more than worrying. At 40 a bottle i want my money to be used best. And yes my diet is Massive Eating and very strict so that wont be an issue. I owe 2 yrs of this site and (soon to be?) DR. Berardi for that.
The longer your cycles of either mag10 or 4ad then I would say the more beneficial it is to use Tribex, and or M post cycle to quickly recover natural test levels, although less of a need with 4ad. Doing so will also help you retain your gains better as will some methoxy.
Honestly though I’d say for just 4 wks of 4ad you shouldnt worry too much, but maybe pick up some Tribex for like $18 at netrtiion, also check around on the net for better prices for your 4ad.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that because 4ad is class 2 it doesn’t bind to the andorgen receptor, but converts to testosterone by other means.
It is the A1E in Mag-10 that causes the supression.
I’ve used 4ad for a month with no problems coming off.
I’m going to be starting a cycle of 4ad and 19Nor-diol next week. Keep us posted on your gains and I’ll provide feedback on mine as well.
Yeah class II’s dont bind very avidly but they can increase estrogen. but thats 4-ad not 4-ad-ec…Thats where im a lil confused.
I thought the ethylcarbonate ester was attached to prevent the liver from breaking down the 4ad, but besides that, 4ad and 4-ad-ec are essentially the same thing. No?