[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]davethebarbarian wrote:
…Matt Kroc was quoted as calling sumos cheater pulls, and many high level powerlifters I’ve talked to have told me about the same. I don’t think sumos should be allowed in the same competition as conventional, or at least records should be denoted which is which…[/quote]
Then why do so many folks, myself included, have better numbers with conventional deads?[/quote]
I had a better conventional pull than sumo until i devoted over a year training specifically for the sumo. then my sumo went about 10% more than my conventional. that is reversed now, because I do not compete anymore, I deadlift just for muscle building, not for the highest numbers, so never sumo anymore.
the guys who have the record deadlifts have those records because they are the biggest, strongest and baddest motherfuckers competing. the fact that they happen to pull conventional is anecdotal IMHO
I am sure others would disagree, that is just my thoughts.
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I think Coan did his best pulls semi-sumo/modified sumo… Basically legs just outside your grip, not all the way to the plates like so many do.
That is closer to a conventional pull, but it gets your thighs out of the way… Only way I can pull safely off the floor… I’m not built for pulling as it is, but this allows me to go down without rounding (my actual ROM really isn’t much different, I have to get fairly far down still). I just can’t properly arch my lower back otherwise… No matter how much stretching etc I do, I think it’s partially the way my hip joints are built maybe… I can kick fairly high to the side without tilting my pelvis, but I can’t kick high to the front…
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my last few years as a competitive PL, I had this down to a science. i trained sumo for speed at light weights on squat day.
on heavy back leg day i would do conventional pulls from the power rack, at a very low pin position, where the plates were only about 1-2 inches of the floor.
whatever I could pull in the rack conventional, add 5-7% and that is what I could hit at a meet sumo with a suit on.
when I rack pulled conventional 585, i hit a 610
when I got 610 I got 635 sumo
when I got 635, I got 665 sumo.
my levers are unusual for a very short guy, I have relatively long arms for a midget, but unfortunately I also have a long torso. so I am fucked, especially when it came to squatting, which is why I think even equipped, I could pull as good or better than I could squat.