I disagree with you, soontobeIFBB. I know that EQ works better for me, both gains and ability to retain them. I know this may not be the case for all who use these preparations, but I don’t think the word ‘simular’ is too bold of a statement.
There are some good posts in this thread, but I’m still wondering how the OP can be lining up a third cycle (!) while continuing to appear so clueless about nutrition. (!!)
Note to newbs: you need to become an expert at nutrition for your own particular body type and genetics BEFORE you start introducing AAS to the equation.
[quote]jukebox wrote:
I disagree with you, soontobeIFBB. I know that EQ works better for me, both gains and ability to retain them. I know this may not be the case for all who use these preparations, but I don’t think the word ‘simular’ is too bold of a statement.[/quote]
Sorry my first post made me sound like a dick lol didnt mean too… Have you used both? Same dosage? I just have never met anyone to say that mg for mg EQ is similar in gains to nandrolone
[quote]soontobeIFBB wrote:
Sorry my first post made me sound like a dick lol didnt mean too… Have you used both? Same dosage? I just have never met anyone to say that mg for mg EQ is similar in gains to nandrolone[/quote]
No problem, bro…I know how reading the text makes a harmless comment look bad…lol.
I like EQ because it stimulates my appetite, and doesn’t bloat me as bad as nandrolone does. I also recover much faster from EQ post cycle, where as Nandrolone destroys the libido.
I have had equal ‘muscle’ gains from both, but deca does bloat me more than EQ. Boldenone studies also have determined that it increases anerobic activity, thus increased stamina. Mg for mg…I feel for me they are equal, with EQ having fewer sides.
I know I am a minority, not being a nandrolone advocate, but I guess it is back to ‘different strokes for different folks’…lol. I have heard a few others having the same thought on these two preparations.
Chillain- Not clueless about nutrition just forgot that only adding a 100g of carbs is only 400cal. My last cycle I was taking in 4k cal and it was dead on. I think everyone makes mistakes but its people like you that bash on people that you know nothing about that gets people turned off to posting.
oh and someone of your size and strength should not be bashing someone bigger and stronger than yourself if you got your diet and nutrition in check!
I too would recommend higher cals for a bulk.
Other than that you seem to be in order.
No reason to be so sensitive. I may have come across as harsh but I’m in your corner here and am encouraging you to get a firmer handle on your nutrition in order to maximize your AAS plans.
I am chillain. Sorry about coming across as harsh myself. Seems like some around here have been crucifying others for asking questions. As others have said my calories will be greatly increased.
I do know this - i agree with the recommendation to increase calories… either carb calories if you are an ecto type guy or fat calories (with less or controlled carb intake) if you are tubbier (endo)…
But i disagree with your methods to a certain extent; I think that while your control and logging of nutrition is fine and recommended in certain situations (gaining is a great time to keep a diary IME), i think you err too much on the side of caution with regards caloric intake for fear of fat gain… this will hamper your progress massively. Massively.
The human body will adjust to small fluctuations in caloric intake quickly and often with no or very small physical changes.
This is important with cutting, as during this time one reduces calories by small amounts - as little as 200kcals sometimes - in order that the tiny changes add up leaving a low BF and fully maintained musculature.
With gaining; if you gain a little fat from a decent increase in calories then it isnt a big deal in the slightest, as you are confident that the body has had the nutrients to build muscle (and one can drop fat).
If you increase calories by 400kcal at a time, the gaining will be so slow it would be near impossible to manage it correctly - that is to say it would be near impossible to be able to monitor changes at that level.
Sometimes a large excess of calories is a great way to gain, and if that is all low GI carbs, high lean protein and mod EFA then it will be the best quality gains you can get - with fat gain STILL being minimal.
I also know that if one eats as clean as you do with 100% nutrient dense and full calorie foods, then one can eat a HELL of a lot in order to gain and not gain much or too much fat.
It is simply the fact that your diet is so low in fats (the hidden ones in sweets and chocolates especially) that the volume of food to get in a decent caloric excess is very high.
The diet is good - i personally like to set a minimum target (for calories) when gaining, making sure i eat that amount by a certain time, then everything i eat is an excess…
YOU on the other hand are controlling it to a degree that seems to be counter productive IMO… or it could prove to be so, at least.
Good luck
JJ
One fact i have noticed on deca (with or without test) is that if diet is ‘oka-aay’ then it will give you a lowered bodyfat and much increased composition.
if diet is spot on it will make you look gorgeous.
With test alone this is not the case IMHO.
The last time i ran this cycle i did 750mgenanth, 400mgdeca for 12 weeks with 50mgdbol ran over the last 6 weeks.
The deca and test were frontloaded and as such gave nice results alone, but the addition of dbol was truly exciting…
Brook
Thanks Brook. I might do what you do and try to get in all the calories I need before lets say 3pm then everything after that is just excess. Today’s calorie intake is going to be roughly 4200cal. Going to see how I feel this week and I think I’ll follow your recommendation and up it over 500cal next week and see how that works out for a few. I think I am also going to throw in a nice calorie dense meal every 2-3days, somwhere around a 1000cal.