I tried printing a 2D gun - it didn’t work.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Here’s a link to the files from defcad
Regarding the planes, concerns that come to mind for me is a group of terrorists boarding a plane where each of them has a (few) piece(s) of the weapon(s) that will be put together after boarding.[/quote]
Looks like they are out of business. Check out their website now.
No guns for you!
Or this: http://www.dailypaul.com/280286/dhs-seizes-3d-gun-printer-defense-distributed-or-april-fools
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
They’ll make these 3D printers hard to get or regulate them. It will take just one guy to smuggle a weapon on-board a plane which cannot be detected because it isn’t traceable.
These 3D printers will be used for human organs and other bodyparts in the future, they’re undergoing trials now.[/quote]
Hard to get or regulate? Don’t be a dick.
people said the same when colour printers came out… people will make their own money so they have to regulate them.
In 5 years this will be an industry worth 100’s of billions, u think people who will be at the forefront of this technology will let that happen?
in 5 years you’ll buy one for $300 dollars and will be printing whatever the hell you like. [/quote]
A dick? Are you Yolo’s real account? Jesus christ this site is infested with people like him.
Colour printers and 3D printers? Do you even know the difference? Only a complete moron would have thought a coloured printer could print real money without it being seen as a fake.
As a matter of fact, they were used by criminals if you want to get technical.
3D printers can create items you would normally need a manufacturer to create or some other complex tools if you had the skill.
A 3D printer removes the skill factor and all you need is a technical know-how on the basics and voila, there you go.
Look online at what 3D printers can make now, you’re telling me it wont happen when some nutjob gets an idea?
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
A dick? Are you Yolo’s real account? Jesus christ this site is infested with people like him.
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Rather than me having multiple accounts, maybe the problem is that you are a tosser?
Is it strange that I like to imagine Harrypotter and Yolo84 as the Laurel And Hardy of T-Nation?
I work for a engineering company and I use a printer. Printing non firing parts (stocks etc) is really easy. As for the rest… I sure as hell am not gonna test fire it… thats for sure. But like all things just give it some time to evolve. Problem right now is the cheap printers have a very small print envelope 6"x6"x8" I think. Definitly not gonna print a stock in one piece. And the larger printers are still in the 25k to 100k range.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Wouldn’t it be possible to use some plastic polymer that could be superior to a metal?[/quote]
I think you are going down the wrong path.
I dont think the way to success is making super strong plastic, though I think it will be eventually, it would probably be better to design a gun that has no parts that need to be able to withstand forces like a metal gun.
So far, they are trying to re-do guns that were always meant to be metal, they need a gun that was designed to be plastic from he start. [/quote]
Ah, thinking outside the box. That makes sense.
What changes need to be made to have a functioning firearm that’s made of plastic instead of metal?[/quote]
I am no engineer.
I know though that people always try to redo old solutions without realizing that the game has changed.
You really only want to be able to move a small object, at high speed, at a specific target.
Maybe, even that is assuming to much.
The controlled explosion a firearm gets its name from might not be necessary, reducing stress on the parts.
Or putting other stresses on it that can be handled better by plastic than metal?
I dont know, they just seem to be in the “lets re-do what already is there” stage, which is not even the beginning, that is a prologue to the birth of a new technology. [/quote]
lowering the stresses may be a worry of the past, I have worked with 3D printed STAINLESS STEEL in prototyping.
The biggest issue I currently see with the metal printing technology is fidelity, they still have the obvious layering seen in many SLI parts.
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
Is it strange that I like to imagine Harrypotter and Yolo84 as the Laurel And Hardy of T-Nation?[/quote]
It shows your old.
Not a gun, but quite an achievement
Interesting I had never watched this.
It’s really not as easy as it seems. Home-based 3D printers print in plastic. You would have to go to Selected Laser Sintering to have a part of the required strength. I’ve seen complex parts come out of them as vendor samples that could be used as is.
First you need the 3D CAD data exported in the proper format. Since the part is built up in layers of metal, the process is very slow and time consuming, depending on the surface finishes that are required. With the right person performing the process and the learning curve that goes with generating complex precision parts, the ability for Joe Blow to produce a working gun that won’t blow up in his hand at home is long off.
Rob
I was introduced personally to this technology in January. Really cool stuff.
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
Is it strange that I like to imagine Harrypotter and Yolo84 as the Laurel And Hardy of T-Nation?[/quote]
It shows your old.[/quote]
It looks like you missed one. I was thinking three stooges.
Yes I am old. Is being young your selling point? Quite an achievement.
so really fascinating stuff nonetheless. Wheres it headed and how will the government control it? I kind of like the kid’s idea that having it on the internet makes it untouchable but the government will find a way. Heck! they wont even have to think very hard or use their imaginations. Theres enough scifi dystopian futures that have been thought out in meticulous detail that all the ideas and building blocks for control are already there.
I never played the mirrors Edge game but I loved the trailers and story videos they had. Basically the govenment monitors everyone at all times and monitors all data so illegal data curriers are used to transport data. Like if the governement were to try to control the 3D CAD designs for guns so ppl had to transport the data illegally by hand.
Ahh the future is fun!
[quote]andrew_live wrote:
so really fascinating stuff nonetheless. Wheres it headed and how will the government control it? I kind of like the kid’s idea that having it on the internet makes it untouchable but the government will find a way. Heck! they wont even have to think very hard or use their imaginations. Theres enough scifi dystopian futures that have been thought out in meticulous detail that all the ideas and building blocks for control are already there.
I never played the mirrors Edge game but I loved the trailers and story videos they had. Basically the govenment monitors everyone at all times and monitors all data so illegal data curriers are used to transport data. Like if the governement were to try to control the 3D CAD designs for guns so ppl had to transport the data illegally by hand.
Ahh the future is fun!
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Getting your hands on a 3D CAD design and using it are not one in the same. The CAD data has to be exported in an SLT format, any decent CAD/CAM package can handle this. Now to get it into the printer… there are a lot of elements to consider, mesh, dither, strength planes, etc.
Then you have to get ahold of the sintered metals, maybe Amazon has them already… hmmmm. Sintered metals are commonly sold for the protyping industry through schools and R&D companies. Nothing illegal about obtaining it that I know of.
Still, the sintering process is slow. A critical gun part that may require 2 hours of machining may take 12 hours to print. How precise will that parts really be, will they all fit as well as machined parts? Gun clearances are very exact and I believe the printing process won’t produce what everyone thinks it will. Consistent parts that play well together.
Rob
[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
[quote]andrew_live wrote:
so really fascinating stuff nonetheless. Wheres it headed and how will the government control it? I kind of like the kid’s idea that having it on the internet makes it untouchable but the government will find a way. Heck! they wont even have to think very hard or use their imaginations. Theres enough scifi dystopian futures that have been thought out in meticulous detail that all the ideas and building blocks for control are already there.
I never played the mirrors Edge game but I loved the trailers and story videos they had. Basically the govenment monitors everyone at all times and monitors all data so illegal data curriers are used to transport data. Like if the governement were to try to control the 3D CAD designs for guns so ppl had to transport the data illegally by hand.
Ahh the future is fun!
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Getting your hands on a 3D CAD design and using it are not one in the same. The CAD data has to be exported in an SLT format, any decent CAD/CAM package can handle this. Now to get it into the printer… there are a lot of elements to consider, mesh, dither, strength planes, etc.
Then you have to get ahold of the sintered metals, maybe Amazon has them already… hmmmm. Sintered metals are commonly sold for the protyping industry through schools and R&D companies. Nothing illegal about obtaining it that I know of.
Still, the sintering process is slow. A critical gun part that may require 2 hours of machining may take 12 hours to print. How precise will that parts really be, will they all fit as well as machined parts? Gun clearances are very exact and I believe the printing process won’t produce what everyone thinks it will. Consistent parts that play well together.
Rob [/quote]
Sintered metals are generally pretty brittle also, with high load strength but poor fracture strength.
Besides, what is the purpose if these are going to be made of metal? I thought the whole purpose was to use plastic to aid in concealment. As you said it would be easier to machine it out of metal if you are just looking to make an untraceable gun.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Sintered metals are generally pretty brittle also, with high load strength but poor fracture strength.
Besides, what is the purpose if these are going to be made of metal? I thought the whole purpose was to use plastic to aid in concealment. As you said it would be easier to machine it out of metal if you are just looking to make an untraceable gun.
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i guess what I wasthinking was that based on where they are now and kid mentioned new materials being developed and 3D printers going down in price,future stuff.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
[quote]andrew_live wrote:
so really fascinating stuff nonetheless. Wheres it headed and how will the government control it? I kind of like the kid’s idea that having it on the internet makes it untouchable but the government will find a way. Heck! they wont even have to think very hard or use their imaginations. Theres enough scifi dystopian futures that have been thought out in meticulous detail that all the ideas and building blocks for control are already there.
I never played the mirrors Edge game but I loved the trailers and story videos they had. Basically the govenment monitors everyone at all times and monitors all data so illegal data curriers are used to transport data. Like if the governement were to try to control the 3D CAD designs for guns so ppl had to transport the data illegally by hand.
Ahh the future is fun!
[/quote]
Getting your hands on a 3D CAD design and using it are not one in the same. The CAD data has to be exported in an SLT format, any decent CAD/CAM package can handle this. Now to get it into the printer… there are a lot of elements to consider, mesh, dither, strength planes, etc.
Then you have to get ahold of the sintered metals, maybe Amazon has them already… hmmmm. Sintered metals are commonly sold for the protyping industry through schools and R&D companies. Nothing illegal about obtaining it that I know of.
Still, the sintering process is slow. A critical gun part that may require 2 hours of machining may take 12 hours to print. How precise will that parts really be, will they all fit as well as machined parts? Gun clearances are very exact and I believe the printing process won’t produce what everyone thinks it will. Consistent parts that play well together.
Rob [/quote]
Sintered metals are generally pretty brittle also, with high load strength but poor fracture strength.
Besides, what is the purpose if these are going to be made of metal? I thought the whole purpose was to use plastic to aid in concealment. As you said it would be easier to machine it out of metal if you are just looking to make an untraceable gun.
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A plastic gun is a signle-use throwaway. It has it’s merits though.
If you take an existing gun part and produce it using powdered metals, chances are good that it won’t be as strong as a formed or machined part. The cross sectional areas would probably have to be heavier in places, possibly impacting fit into an existing weapon platform.
Best bet for a powdered metal gun, go to a clean piece of paper and design one from square one. Can the whole thing be made that way, maybe, maybe not.
Rob