320x10 Squat

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]Hanley wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Free2Be wrote:

Just because someone is genetically gifted and has great coaches does not mean that they have perfect form.

Bullshit on the genetics argument. Completely irrelevant.

And you admit she has great coaches, and great coaches should teach great form right?

So either she doesn’t have great coaches, or she doesn’t have great form?

So a great squat coach is a great sprint coach? or a great olympic weight lifting coach is a great squat coach? since of course all the olympic lifters break all squat records right?

Are you suggesting that each assistance lift should have it’s own coach who’s an expert in that lift, but perhaps does not have any idea how it would fit into an integrated plan?

A press coach, snatch coach, front squat coach, clean coach, jerk coach, squat coach etc etc…??

Can you name any great squat coaches who might be able to help her?

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Maybe, but since your the squat expert I would let you suggest a great coach… Get it

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
So a great squat coach is a great sprint coach? or a great olympic weight lifting coach is a great squat coach? since of course all the olympic lifters break all squat records right?[/quote]

What point are you trying to make? Obviously she’s not being trained under sprinting coaches, she’s being coached by weightlifting and strength coaches who are familiar with squatting. It goes without saying that they would have fixed her ‘problem’ if it was an actual detriment to her weightlifting. She’s not competing in a squat form contest or trying to break squat records- she’s a weightlifter.

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Airtruth wrote:

Hey let’s keep doing the same ole shit the same ole way. That way we can keep producing olympians that go to the olympics and still do the same ole weights from same old years ago before we decided to learn from someone who just happens to not be as strong as them. While the same ole other countries keep advancing their programs and adjusting their training so that they can continue to beat america in various sports.

She was an olympian in 2000, not 2004 or 2008. What’s the point of competing if you don’t want to compete? POSSIBLY if somebody would’ve fixed her squat in 2000, she would’ve won something by now. But Hey who care’s about advancing lets just brag that were stronger than people on the internet and never learn anything.

And Americans keep wondering why we digress in every sport.

Absolutely ridiculous.

Now the olympics isn’t enough to prove a training system works? You have to win a medal? And even then, can it be anything but gold??

Is failing to do so proof that the training and coaching she received is substandard?

Quite frankly, I’ve never heard anything so ridiculous.

Actually that argument sounds pretty dumb to me. So your saying the same training system that got people to the olympics in 1908 is as good as the training system thats gets them to the olympics in 2008? They both worked right?

Why do you think people change coaches? so that they can do the same system?

That’s not what I’m saying.

1908 =/= 2008 because the relative standard has increased. And training programs and systems will obviously have changed to reflect that.

Her program now is clearly superior to that which was in place before assuming the standard of olympic competition is increasing year on year.

Does anyone now if she’s been hitting PR’s over the last 4o r 5 years?
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I understand what your saying. That she made the olympics so it’s a hell of a program. Maybe it is doesn’t mean it’s the best one to win. If you can improve your program it’s an even better program. I through out 1908 so that you can see the breakdown in your argument. Making it to the olympics is great, but now that you made it what are you supposed to be conent? I don’t know her P.R status but if your competing does it matter. Most of the Olympic champions are not competing for personal P.R.'s they are competing for the gold medal. Making corrections and advancing allows people to get better. Her good was good enough in 2000, now her good wasn’t even good enough to make in 2004 or 2008. Unless your saying she was genetically limited someone else had a better program.

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[quote]dfreezy wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
So a great squat coach is a great sprint coach? or a great olympic weight lifting coach is a great squat coach? since of course all the olympic lifters break all squat records right?

What point are you trying to make? Obviously she’s not being trained under sprinting coaches, she’s being coached by weightlifting and strength coaches who are familiar with squatting. It goes without saying that they would have fixed her ‘problem’ if it was an actual detriment to her weightlifting. She’s not competing in a squat form contest or trying to break squat records- she’s a weightlifter.[/quote]

He seems to be trying to make the link that a bigger squatter is a better weightlifter.

Which I’m sure a lot of elite weightlifters would disagree with.

Did alexeev have an article on that??

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[quote]Free2Be wrote:
Not taking anything away from her accomplishements, but many gifted athletes do a lot of things wrong, they can, plain and simple.[/quote]

No one is arguing that. Anyone familiar with weightlifting can point out fairly obvious technique ‘flaws’ in technique of gold medal winners like Dimas, Naim, Sagir, etc. But when you reach the top, what difference does it make? The goal in weightlifting is to lift the most weight, not to look the prettiest. Thats not to say good form shouldn’t be learned and reinforced, but if its not directly impeding success, its hard to argue for it. What works for some may not work for others.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Free2Be wrote:

Just because someone is genetically gifted and has great coaches does not mean that they have perfect form.

Bullshit on the genetics argument. Completely irrelevant.

And you admit she has great coaches, and great coaches should teach great form right?

So either she doesn’t have great coaches, or she doesn’t have great form?

So a great squat coach is a great sprint coach? or a great olympic weight lifting coach is a great squat coach? since of course all the olympic lifters break all squat records right?

Are you suggesting that each assistance lift should have it’s own coach who’s an expert in that lift, but perhaps does not have any idea how it would fit into an integrated plan?

A press coach, snatch coach, front squat coach, clean coach, jerk coach, squat coach etc etc…??

Can you name any great squat coaches who might be able to help her?

Maybe, but since your the squat expert I would let you suggest a great coach… Get it
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I don’t remember saying I was a squat expert?

Is your arguement; If she was a better squatter, she might be a better weightlifter?

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[quote]dfreezy wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
So a great squat coach is a great sprint coach? or a great olympic weight lifting coach is a great squat coach? since of course all the olympic lifters break all squat records right?

What point are you trying to make? Obviously she’s not being trained under sprinting coaches, she’s being coached by weightlifting and strength coaches who are familiar with squatting. It goes without saying that they would have fixed her ‘problem’ if it was an actual detriment to her weightlifting. She’s not competing in a squat form contest or trying to break squat records- she’s a weightlifter.[/quote]

My point is … JUST BECAUSE YOUR GREAT AT CLEAN AND JERK DOESN’T MEAN YOUR SQUAT TECHNIQUE IS PERFECT…Now everybody is acting like because she had a 320x10 squat she can do no wrong. There are squatters stronger than that, that still run to workout with Louis Simmons, and there are squatters who left his gym because they felt they can make progress elsewhere.

Not one poster said she was weak but everybody is flipping out like why are you guys talking about her, she’s strong. So fucking what doesn’t mean its correct, doesn’t mean that everybody watching should replicate it. Looking at it, it’s not even that bad, but if a begining weight lifter sees that and everyone here talking about great squat they are going to walk into the gym put 135 on and squat it that way. and you will go nowhere face if your squatting 135 like that.

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
He seems to be trying to make the link that a bigger squatter is a better weightlifter.

Which I’m sure a lot of elite weightlifters would disagree with.

Did alexeev have an article on that??[/quote]

Yeah people unfamiliar with weightlifting underestimate the value of technique and credit only squat strength.

Bud Charniga wrote a great article that has Alexeev’s quote referenced:
http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/sportivny/library/farticles004.html

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Free2Be wrote:

Just because someone is genetically gifted and has great coaches does not mean that they have perfect form.

Bullshit on the genetics argument. Completely irrelevant.

And you admit she has great coaches, and great coaches should teach great form right?

So either she doesn’t have great coaches, or she doesn’t have great form?

So a great squat coach is a great sprint coach? or a great olympic weight lifting coach is a great squat coach? since of course all the olympic lifters break all squat records right?

Are you suggesting that each assistance lift should have it’s own coach who’s an expert in that lift, but perhaps does not have any idea how it would fit into an integrated plan?

A press coach, snatch coach, front squat coach, clean coach, jerk coach, squat coach etc etc…??

Can you name any great squat coaches who might be able to help her?

Maybe, but since your the squat expert I would let you suggest a great coach… Get it

I don’t remember saying I was a squat expert?

Is your arguement; If she was a better squatter, she might be a better weightlifter?[/quote]

My argument is that just because you did a 320x10 squat doesn’t mean it was done with correct form.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
brian.m wrote:
i think it would be only fair that if we’re squatting shirtless, the ladies should start squatting pantsless…just an idea

I would settle for women squatting shirtless, and just to be safe they should have men spotting them on all squats. Zerchers with pink dumbells can get heavy
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Then stop using the pink dumb bells and you should be good to go :slight_smile: The last time I squatted shirtless no one noticed.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
My point is … JUST BECAUSE YOUR GREAT AT CLEAN AND JERK DOESN’T MEAN YOUR SQUAT TECHNIQUE IS PERFECT…Now everybody is acting like because she had a 320x10 squat she can do no wrong. There are squatters stronger than that, that still run to workout with Louis Simmons, and there are squatters who left his gym because they felt they can make progress elsewhere.

Not one poster said she was weak but everybody is flipping out like why are you guys talking about her, she’s strong. So fucking what doesn’t mean its correct, doesn’t mean that everybody watching should replicate it. Looking at it, it’s not even that bad, but if a begining weight lifter sees that and everyone here talking about great squat they are going to walk into the gym put 135 on and squat it that way. and you will go nowhere face if your squatting 135 like that.[/quote]

No one has argued her form is perfect, most of the replies are impressed about her strength. The only ‘flipping out’ is responses to internet e-athletes who make troll-like comments about accomplished athletes.

Again, even elite level weightlifters have ‘flaws’ in their technique that coaches wouldn’t teach to beginners. But if their imperfect form is neither a safety risk nor inhibiting them from doing big weights, what point is it to try to correct? If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

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Airtruth, i didnt notice one ofyour comments until now…and i think it deserves to be addresed

basically i fully support women squatting shirtless or just wearing less clothing in general…but the ladies should Definitly deadlift pantless, and i’m sure there should be less descrepencies this time around :stuck_out_tongue:

(just to cut the unecessary tension)

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
brian.m wrote:
i think it would be only fair that if we’re squatting shirtless, the ladies should start squatting pantsless…just an idea

I would settle for women squatting shirtless, and just to be safe they should have men spotting them on all squats. Zerchers with pink dumbells can get heavy

Then stop using the pink dumb bells and you should be good to go :slight_smile: The last time I squatted shirtless no one noticed.[/quote]

I meant outside the bathroom.

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
brian.m wrote:
i think it would be only fair that if we’re squatting shirtless, the ladies should start squatting pantsless…just an idea

I would settle for women squatting shirtless, and just to be safe they should have men spotting them on all squats. Zerchers with pink dumbells can get heavy

Then stop using the pink dumb bells and you should be good to go :slight_smile: The last time I squatted shirtless no one noticed.[/quote]

You need to get those bench press accessories.

I squat/deadlift in a sports bra when I wear a shirt that gets too baggy or stretched out when wearing a suit. It really isn’t all that exciting.

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then back to pantsless it is!

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I still don’t get what’s the big deal with her form, this is a standard olympic squat…

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arnoud, you’ve been here for a while and quite honestly you should know by now that you’re never supposed to use your quads when squatting :wink:

back squats are only supposed to target your hamstrings and anything that strenthens your anterior chain will only lead to knee problems, as well as a life of loneliness and infertility

kidding aside, the fact that her knees come together to use her quad strength rather than pushing her knees out is what appears to be the main issue

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[quote]brian.m wrote:
arnoud, you’ve been here for a while and quite honestly you should know by now that you’re never supposed to use your quads when squatting :wink:

back squats are only supposed to target your hamstrings and anything that strenthens your anterior chain will only lead to knee problems, as well as a life of loneliness and infertility
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Oh man… I seriously lol’d hard. Great post!

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[quote]ninearms wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Hey let’s keep doing the same ole shit the same ole way. That way we can keep producing olympians that go to the olympics and still do the same ole weights from same old years ago before we decided to learn from someone who just happens to not be as strong as them. While the same ole other countries keep advancing their programs and adjusting their training so that they can continue to beat america in various sports.

You mean like the Chinese?

Yeah, that guy will never amount to anything in weightlifting either. Just look at his knees!
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OMGZZZZ. If he had read more Waterbury articles and posted a form check on T-Nation he might be so much better!