Yes, AUC is likely to be much higher at same peak dose.
I don’t have the patience to basically regurgitate or rephrase what tareload already said. You are a grown adult, do as you please. The symptom relief point of Danny Bossa and his deciples was always BS. It is in your case as well. Here’s an example
If you have pain in your foot and you take ibuprofen everyday, you’ll likely get a stomach ulcer, a certain percentage of those people that do so, die. But I guess it’s a good thing to take them every day, as there is short-term symptom-relief. The long-term effects, who really cares about that? Oh wait let’s treat the stomach problems with pantoprazole. Alright, stomach has no problems anymore. Now you have a higher risk of dementia and infections. Lucky you, that’s probably even further away in the future.
You could have fixed the foot instead of eating ibuprofen like gummy bears. But you went for more ibuprofen instead.
I get it man, I won’t take away from your experience. Just like I won’t take away from your experience with the TOT. But for some reason Danny’s fans seem to flip flop that point of view depending on what issue we are discussing.
No. Im talking about symptom relief for long term health.
Taking high doses of ibuprofen every day for foot pain really isn’t comparable to taking between 50mg and around 250mg of testosterone per week. That’s moronic.
That’s quite a range. If you read my posts again, my point is, it is healthy up until you go out of physiological range continuously, then you are in the ibuprofen situation.
I’m not sure what specifically you think I’m flip flopping on. I’d like to know so I can either clarify, or admit I’m flip flopping. Maybe you’re seeing something I’m not.
It’s the range that I think the vast majority of men require for symptom relief. So, let’s say the total t range you’re going with has a high end of 1200. Anything above that would then be considered out of the physiological range to you? Do you have any proof that someone who has a trough total t level of 1300, or even 1500, for long term, is like the ibuprofen example?
Next lets discuss homeopathic medications and charged water. Only on FB can this stuff propagate itself as it seems there is as endless supply of ignorant vulnerable people. And i dont use the term ignorant in a perjorative sense.
I made a mistake thinking definitive graphs with facts would make any difference.
No I’d even consider it TOT and therefore too high compared to physiological range before that. Again, I wrote posts to you above which exactly specify my position, this point was made here:
I have studies showing adverse effects of high T. I have studies showing long term adverse effects of too high AAS use in different ranges of usage. I have studies showing mechanistic proof of Ts adverse effects on the cardiovascular system. And I can predict one study that will come out in the next years. It will be an analysis of men on TRT and their life expectancy and their cardiovascular status and a huge crowd doing TOT, being included in the study, would be producing false negative outcomes which would then be used to conclude that TRT is harmful or not helpful. I hope that most people take this stuff serious enough and not delude themselves that TOT is the way to go for large swaths of the TRT crowd so these results will not be produced.
TOT for symptom relief is just the guy taking ibuprofen, thinking it is making him healthy.
…Thinking it is making him healthy but definitely getting him a little more SWOLE. Sorry i gotta laugh to keep from crying.
And sort of sorry i tagged you. I dont see any solution or any amount of words, facts, data that will help/persuade some. And at the end of the day it is what it is. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Next time i will tag you to discuss something complicated and hopefully counterintuitive. Those are fun.
Haha yes it seems so. I don’t want to trash cliteastwood as it will make him less likely to see our points. I end the argument now, it’s all been said.
Thanks! I’ll happily participate.
That’s alright. I appreciate the discussion nonetheless. I hope you will have the time to dig into the medical literature, because in the end, it’s your health. And don’t think I don’t get why you are doing it. I would too, but I would not delude myself into thinking it won’t have consequences. I’d be extra careful with my cardiovascular system. I also get why people take potential long term hits to reap big short term benefits, I do it as well. In the end, it’s a potential and likely hit, not a 100% certain hit and you are living your best life now because you may one day take that hit.
Where I come from in this regard is the discussion of life span vs health span (vs optimal span in some cases). An intelligent training program and a real TRT protocol increases both. What you are doing may increase health span but shorten life span. Always try to maximize both is my approach. But if I would be strict about it I’d have a better sleep rhythm and would work less. So I get it.
Feel free to critique and share what is irrevelant or “fact”.
Always appreciate peer review in all seriousness. Do you have any substantive critique of the exhaustive work i did for the benefit of members here???
Anyone else?
?? Source / reasoning / analysis behind this claim??
Back it up? Source?
Just like Danny. Run your keyboard mouth and resistant to someone who puts in the work and actually backs up what they say with over and beyond data based on the relevant literature and even crowdsourcing data here.
Actually, the only thing that really kept me from seeing your(plural) points, was my trying to make my way through the maze of stupid graphs.
And don’t think that I don’t learn from having discussions with people I disagree with. It’s how I learn. Remember, I was cock sure that I NEEDED anastrozole, before I had discussions with someone I disagreed with, who convinced me otherwise.
Proof in my opinion would constitute something like a study being done. So I believe he likes the citations secretly. He’s just deeply closeted about it.
