If you NEED steroids in order to keep lean mass during a cut you have little idea about what you are doing nutritonally speaking. No one said to go paleo… no one. You need to continue eating and training you are no where near your potential natrually and can def continuie to grow. If you wanna use gear so be it but, educate your self as you have no idea about the drugs or how to eat to take advantage of them.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]aesthetics_sexy wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Are you sure this is a career path you intend to take?
Post a pic.
There is always a risk. This is why you have to be certain you want to use for a good reason and not for short term gratification.
And from what you’ve achieved naturally, you don’t have enough love nor drive for this sport to be doing it long term, so the good reason better be your career.[/quote]
no man . i absolutely love bodybuilding. i gained about 15kg of pure muscle in 4 years. its just that i am not able to increase my strength anymore than this. may be its my genetic limit. my chest is a bit weak (in strength) as compared to other bodyparts[/quote]
Genetic limit???
You look like you are just finished with your beginner gains.
This is what I’m talking about. When shit gets a little tougher guys like you immediately turn to drugs instead of educating yourselves on training and diet and finding ways to understand your body to constantly progress.
Let’s cut the crap and just say you need the roids for your profession and you want to minimise risks.
Test prop 100mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Winstrol 50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Adex 0.25mg EOD through out. Increase or decrease as needed.
PCT like you wrote above. Begin in week 9.[/quote]
test prop? for that i have to inject every other day. Thats gonna be hard for me as i have never injected man btw what are the benefits of test prop over test enanthate ? besides less estrogen production which can be taken care of by arimidex??? and ur suggesting an oral steroid winny for 8 weeks ??? wouldnt that be harsh for on liver ?
‘220lb bench press’ and ‘at my genetic limit’ should not be showing up in the same thread.
Nor should ‘slightly visible abs’ and ‘11% bodyfat’.
You got issues homey.
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tbh I was expecting a much worse starting physique. You need lats tho brooo
Calculate your maintenance calories and what you would need to lean out. Increase protein to 200g+ per day and lower the carbs
If you insist on running gear test prop would be best for you. Less water retention, but injections EOD. Clomid + nolva is unnecessary. Nolva alone works magic for test only cycles in my experience.
I’m kinda in the same boat as you, wanting to stay as lean as possible while bulking, minimal water retention. Been thinking about sustanon 250, but injections every 3rd day instead of EOD. I don’t think an extra day will cause too much fluctuation seeing how the test is a blend. Maybe someone can give an opinion on this
[quote]aesthetics_sexy wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]aesthetics_sexy wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Are you sure this is a career path you intend to take?
Post a pic.
There is always a risk. This is why you have to be certain you want to use for a good reason and not for short term gratification.
And from what you’ve achieved naturally, you don’t have enough love nor drive for this sport to be doing it long term, so the good reason better be your career.[/quote]
no man . i absolutely love bodybuilding. i gained about 15kg of pure muscle in 4 years. its just that i am not able to increase my strength anymore than this. may be its my genetic limit. my chest is a bit weak (in strength) as compared to other bodyparts[/quote]
Genetic limit???
You look like you are just finished with your beginner gains.
This is what I’m talking about. When shit gets a little tougher guys like you immediately turn to drugs instead of educating yourselves on training and diet and finding ways to understand your body to constantly progress.
Let’s cut the crap and just say you need the roids for your profession and you want to minimise risks.
Test prop 100mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Winstrol 50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Adex 0.25mg EOD through out. Increase or decrease as needed.
PCT like you wrote above. Begin in week 9.[/quote]
test prop? for that i have to inject every other day. Thats gonna be hard for me as i have never injected man btw what are the benefits of test prop over test enanthate ? besides less estrogen production which can be taken care of by arimidex??? and ur suggesting an oral steroid winny for 8 weeks ??? wouldnt that be harsh for on liver ?[/quote]
This is a standard recomp/cutting cycle that people have done all over the world for a long time. I thought you needed to be ripped? To be ripped, you also have to minimize water retention.
Test e takes 4-5 weeks to kick in. Test prop 2 weeks at most so you can run it for 8 weeks for maximal gains. You want to minimise risks and avoid longer shutdown, do shorter cycles.
Aren’t you going to get bloodwork? If not, and you’re paranoid about your liver values, you can do the winstrol for 4-6 weeks from the end of the cycle.
Also, you should cut down some bodyfat till you’re really 10-11% before starting. You are currently around 15%. You also need to bring up your side and rear delts and your lats because of your clavicular width.
This shit ain’t easy dude.
[quote]TheTaskmaster wrote:
tbh I was expecting a much worse starting physique. You need lats tho brooo
[/quote]
At a bodyweight of 200, benching 220, there’s no way these pictures are truly reflective of his physique. They’ve got to be the absolute most favorable pictures he could find.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]TheTaskmaster wrote:
tbh I was expecting a much worse starting physique. You need lats tho brooo
[/quote]
At a bodyweight of 200, benching 220, there’s no way these pictures are truly reflective of his physique. They’ve got to be the absolute most favorable pictures he could find.[/quote]
lol . u r absolutely correct. they are a bit old but body hasnt changed much … didnt click a new pic cozz i have shitload of hair on my body right now and didnt get time to shave… and moreover my height is 6 feet 2 inches. so that’s why i am heavier than i look
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]aesthetics_sexy wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]aesthetics_sexy wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Are you sure this is a career path you intend to take?
Post a pic.
There is always a risk. This is why you have to be certain you want to use for a good reason and not for short term gratification.
And from what you’ve achieved naturally, you don’t have enough love nor drive for this sport to be doing it long term, so the good reason better be your career.[/quote]
no man . i absolutely love bodybuilding. i gained about 15kg of pure muscle in 4 years. its just that i am not able to increase my strength anymore than this. may be its my genetic limit. my chest is a bit weak (in strength) as compared to other bodyparts[/quote]
Genetic limit???
You look like you are just finished with your beginner gains.
This is what I’m talking about. When shit gets a little tougher guys like you immediately turn to drugs instead of educating yourselves on training and diet and finding ways to understand your body to constantly progress.
Let’s cut the crap and just say you need the roids for your profession and you want to minimise risks.
Test prop 100mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Winstrol 50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Adex 0.25mg EOD through out. Increase or decrease as needed.
PCT like you wrote above. Begin in week 9.[/quote]
test prop? for that i have to inject every other day. Thats gonna be hard for me as i have never injected man btw what are the benefits of test prop over test enanthate ? besides less estrogen production which can be taken care of by arimidex??? and ur suggesting an oral steroid winny for 8 weeks ??? wouldnt that be harsh for on liver ?[/quote]
This is a standard recomp/cutting cycle that people have done all over the world for a long time. I thought you needed to be ripped? To be ripped, you also have to minimize water retention.
Test e takes 4-5 weeks to kick in. Test prop 2 weeks at most so you can run it for 8 weeks for maximal gains. You want to minimise risks and avoid longer shutdown, do shorter cycles.
Aren’t you going to get bloodwork? If not, and you’re paranoid about your liver values, you can do the winstrol for 4-6 weeks from the end of the cycle.
Also, you should cut down some bodyfat till you’re really 10-11% before starting. You are currently around 15%. You also need to bring up your side and rear delts and your lats because of your clavicular width.
This shit ain’t easy dude.
[/quote]
Then howcome people say inject enanthate ester for ur first cycle to have a stable blood level. and isnt arimidex going to take care of water retention regardless of whether i run test prop or test enan???
And can u elaborate more on how to bring up side and rear delts??
[quote]TheTaskmaster wrote:
tbh I was expecting a much worse starting physique. You need lats tho brooo
Calculate your maintenance calories and what you would need to lean out. Increase protein to 200g+ per day and lower the carbs
If you insist on running gear test prop would be best for you. Less water retention, but injections EOD. Clomid + nolva is unnecessary. Nolva alone works magic for test only cycles in my experience.
I’m kinda in the same boat as you, wanting to stay as lean as possible while bulking, minimal water retention. Been thinking about sustanon 250, but injections every 3rd day instead of EOD. I don’t think an extra day will cause too much fluctuation seeing how the test is a blend. Maybe someone can give an opinion on this[/quote]
can u tell me about some great exercises to grow my lats … they dont fuckn grow .
and how much carbs should i be taking on cycle ? and what about fat ? fat intake should be kept minimum on cycle?
do heavy rows. I like dumbbell rows, but a barbell works too.
[quote]aesthetics_sexy wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]aesthetics_sexy wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]aesthetics_sexy wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Are you sure this is a career path you intend to take?
Post a pic.
There is always a risk. This is why you have to be certain you want to use for a good reason and not for short term gratification.
And from what you’ve achieved naturally, you don’t have enough love nor drive for this sport to be doing it long term, so the good reason better be your career.[/quote]
no man . i absolutely love bodybuilding. i gained about 15kg of pure muscle in 4 years. its just that i am not able to increase my strength anymore than this. may be its my genetic limit. my chest is a bit weak (in strength) as compared to other bodyparts[/quote]
Genetic limit???
You look like you are just finished with your beginner gains.
This is what I’m talking about. When shit gets a little tougher guys like you immediately turn to drugs instead of educating yourselves on training and diet and finding ways to understand your body to constantly progress.
Let’s cut the crap and just say you need the roids for your profession and you want to minimise risks.
Test prop 100mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Winstrol 50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Adex 0.25mg EOD through out. Increase or decrease as needed.
PCT like you wrote above. Begin in week 9.[/quote]
test prop? for that i have to inject every other day. Thats gonna be hard for me as i have never injected man btw what are the benefits of test prop over test enanthate ? besides less estrogen production which can be taken care of by arimidex??? and ur suggesting an oral steroid winny for 8 weeks ??? wouldnt that be harsh for on liver ?[/quote]
This is a standard recomp/cutting cycle that people have done all over the world for a long time. I thought you needed to be ripped? To be ripped, you also have to minimize water retention.
Test e takes 4-5 weeks to kick in. Test prop 2 weeks at most so you can run it for 8 weeks for maximal gains. You want to minimise risks and avoid longer shutdown, do shorter cycles.
Aren’t you going to get bloodwork? If not, and you’re paranoid about your liver values, you can do the winstrol for 4-6 weeks from the end of the cycle.
Also, you should cut down some bodyfat till you’re really 10-11% before starting. You are currently around 15%. You also need to bring up your side and rear delts and your lats because of your clavicular width.
This shit ain’t easy dude.
[/quote]
Then howcome people say inject enanthate ester for ur first cycle to have a stable blood level. and isnt arimidex going to take care of water retention regardless of whether i run test prop or test enan???
And can u elaborate more on how to bring up side and rear delts??[/quote]
You will have stable blood levels injecting test prop EOD. You can also have a shorter cycle with test prop. If you want to do otherwise, go ahead.
You bring up your lagging bodyparts with increased volume+frequency and develop better mind muscle connection to target them. If you can’t feel them doing the lifting and don’t get a pump in them, your MMC is not good enough. This is especially true for side and rear delts.
You are very likely bicep dominant when training lats. Get straps and pull with your elbows to target the lats better. Think of bending the bar while doing a lat spread.
You eat on cycle the way you eat naturally but increase total calories and protein. Macros are individual. You need to know what works best for you naturally and adjust from there.
This dudes pictures are a joke,
ok. i’ll do as u say . i’ll be taking test prop then , to minimize my time on cycle and minimize shutdown… and thanks a lot for the advice guys 
[quote]nickhubes wrote:
This dudes pictures are a joke, [/quote]
why the hell in the world would u think they are a joke ?
you’ve probably got a better physique than I did when I started taking steroids!
Just take the advice here to heart, cycle safely and enjoy yourself