I had forgotten about this awful thread…Thanks Reed!
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I had forgotten about this awful thread…Thanks Reed![/quote]
Sorry I kept seeing it bounce up to the top so I finally gave it a shot and am still punching myself in the balls trying to forget it
He had me at ‘21 years old and parents denying him access to blood work.’
[quote]Reed wrote:
[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
Having a f-ing beard doesn’t make someone more of a man. [/quote]
I disagree… ;-)[/quote]
You’re right, beards do make someone more of a man.
Why is this thread still a thing? Even the troll is bored of it?
I know y’all probably hate me now, but I thought I’d just pop back in with a few thoughts after having gained some more insight. For the record, I was only half trolling, I started out legit then messed around a bit. But what I’m about to say is 100% serious.
Once I got off the computer and into the “real world” it became very clear to me that much of what I was concerned about is irrelevant, including T levels, being 5’6" 140 lbs, even muscle. The guy who posted about soldiers fighting in wartime is right, being a man is just doing what you have to do and when you feel the mojo in your veins you start to understand what it’s all about. I don’t carry a gun on foreign soil, and have the utmost respect for those who do. I now work doing construction / contracting and I also got a job on weekends as a barback, haven taken the advice of the fellow who also suggested that. I don’t exactly know how to say it, it’s just DOING shit that makes you a man. Not even being a workout or muscle fanatic, there are lots of girly men who do that. It’s rewiring the inside that matters, T makes a difference to a point, but then again only to a point. It’s a psychological thing.
Pleasantly suprised! sounds like you’re going in a good direction, keep it up.
[quote]dave670 wrote:
21 year old male, 5’6" 140 lbs, only got testosterone tested once and it was 400 ng/dl which is no good.
I’m basically looking for ways through diet and training I can max out the levels of HGH, test and DHT that my body is producing so I can develop all the characteristics that will make me look like a more mature man or strong. I’m convinced this is possible.
I’m convinced my levels of these hormones aren’t optimum because my sex drive isn’t as high as it could be, I’m not incredibly muscular nor can I grow much body or facial hair. I’m white, with eastern european genetics and ancestors with facial hair, so I know that I have the potential.
Current exercise routine: full bodyweight workout every day using iron gym, chin ups, pull ups, crunches, push ups. Don’t use dumbells because I get a better workout with bodyweight. Cardio: sprint sessions, bike riding, running (short and intense ~5K, not long and slow endurance running).
Diet: raw fruits, raw veggies, wholegrains, chicken, beef, eggs, cheese, nuts, milk, very very little sugar. I also practice intermittent fasting.
sleep: at least 8 hours a night.
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Stop intermittent fasting and being so picky about what you eat. Just avoid junk food and sweets, other than that go nuts. Stop IF. it obviously isn’t good for you right now. IMO its only worth doing if you’re already carrying some muscle, eat a bunch and just want to control bodyfat. Then it probably works just fine (has for me in those circumstances).
Train hard and smart. For a while, drop the cardio and just do 5/3/1. I’m pretty sure that incorporates conditioning.
You’re 21. Get a job, just because you’re in college doesn’t mean you haven’t got time to work. Move out of your parents’ place. There’s nothing wrong with your parents helping you out, but you need to stand on your own two feet.
What will make you look mature and strong is actually BEING mature and strong.
Oh, and by the way, not having too much body hair isn’t something to complain about. Believe me.
EDIT: only realised how old this thread was after posting the above…
[quote]MarkKO wrote:
[quote]dave670 wrote:
21 year old male, 5’6" 140 lbs, only got testosterone tested once and it was 400 ng/dl which is no good.
I’m basically looking for ways through diet and training I can max out the levels of HGH, test and DHT that my body is producing so I can develop all the characteristics that will make me look like a more mature man or strong. I’m convinced this is possible.
I’m convinced my levels of these hormones aren’t optimum because my sex drive isn’t as high as it could be, I’m not incredibly muscular nor can I grow much body or facial hair. I’m white, with eastern european genetics and ancestors with facial hair, so I know that I have the potential.
Current exercise routine: full bodyweight workout every day using iron gym, chin ups, pull ups, crunches, push ups. Don’t use dumbells because I get a better workout with bodyweight. Cardio: sprint sessions, bike riding, running (short and intense ~5K, not long and slow endurance running).
Diet: raw fruits, raw veggies, wholegrains, chicken, beef, eggs, cheese, nuts, milk, very very little sugar. I also practice intermittent fasting.
sleep: at least 8 hours a night.
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Stop intermittent fasting and being so picky about what you eat. Just avoid junk food and sweets, other than that go nuts. Stop IF. it obviously isn’t good for you right now. IMO its only worth doing if you’re already carrying some muscle, eat a bunch and just want to control bodyfat. Then it probably works just fine (has for me in those circumstances).
Train hard and smart. For a while, drop the cardio and just do 5/3/1. I’m pretty sure that incorporates conditioning.
You’re 21. Get a job, just because you’re in college doesn’t mean you haven’t got time to work. Move out of your parents’ place. There’s nothing wrong with your parents helping you out, but you need to stand on your own two feet.
What will make you look mature and strong is actually BEING mature and strong.
Oh, and by the way, not having too much body hair isn’t something to complain about. Believe me.
EDIT: only realised how old this thread was after posting the above…[/quote]
It’s alright, half of it is still relevant except for the “getting a job” part because I fixed that. One of my jobs happens to incorporate strength training built-in, because I am using my arms and my body 8 hours a day. I’ve built some muscle from that alone. I still do a bit of cardio, but hardly like long distance running. I run and bike, and I also do HIIT.
Re: controlling body fat. I don’t weigh myself often at all, but I do take measurements from time to time. I try to keep my waist 28", it might seem small but I’m short so it actually works out good.
The whole psychological thing is this. I realized I could either keep waiting to be something / someone I wanted to be, or actually just gradually become that person at the same time, and then I wouldn’t have to wish I was it. Does that make sense?
Why didn’t you get a part time job as a bartender? That’s how you get laid.
FUCK!
Lol, I literally cracked up reading that. Thanks for brightening my day. I hope I haven’t dug myself in too deep.
Anyways, you have to work your way up, in any institution. Getting laid isn’t really what will fix my problems anyway, I realized. These days getting laid is just a craigslist whore or tinder swipe away, it has nothing to do with character.
I was only half joking. Putting yourself in a place where you are forced to socialize and learn about the different behaviors of different people will really be of benefit to you at this age.
Fuck!@#
Oh, I know you were serious about that, I was just referring to the “fuck” part. Which reminds me, I’m remiss in my duties. So with no further ado,
FUCK!
Is the amount of cardio I do sufficient? I run 5 miles once a week. I don’t overdo cardio because I’m still young and also trying to preserve muscle, which I use 8 hours a day on my contracting job. I also will occasionally bike 30 miles or run 13.
[quote]dave670 wrote:
Is the amount of cardio I do sufficient? I run 5 miles once a week. I don’t overdo cardio because I’m still young and also trying to preserve muscle, which I use 8 hours a day on my contracting job. I also will occasionally bike 30 miles or run 13. [/quote]
I think running a shorter distance twice a week would be more useful. Of course, ‘useful’ and ‘sufficient’ depend on the goal you pursue.
[quote]dave670 wrote:
As embarassing as it sounds, it’s because my parents won’t let me get the results ordered from my doc.
Yes, I’m 21 and still dependent on my 'rents. In college. That’s part of the reason I’m trying to increase test, so I can become more alpha and break out of the cycle of weakness and dependency. Looking to change my life and body, grab life by the horns and skull fuck it for all it’s worth.
It’s hard to feel alpha when your body is underdeveloped. I came here looking to fix that. [/quote]
Changing your body is not going to help you change your mind or emotional status.
[quote]dave670 wrote:
Is the amount of cardio I do sufficient? I run 5 miles once a week. I don’t overdo cardio because I’m still young and also trying to preserve muscle, which I use 8 hours a day on my contracting job. I also will occasionally bike 30 miles or run 13. [/quote]
Just do 30 rep squats with a reasonable weight.
[quote]shralpinist wrote:
[quote]dave670 wrote:
As embarassing as it sounds, it’s because my parents won’t let me get the results ordered from my doc.
Yes, I’m 21 and still dependent on my 'rents. In college. That’s part of the reason I’m trying to increase test, so I can become more alpha and break out of the cycle of weakness and dependency. Looking to change my life and body, grab life by the horns and skull fuck it for all it’s worth.
It’s hard to feel alpha when your body is underdeveloped. I came here looking to fix that. [/quote]
Changing your body is not going to help you change your mind or emotional status.[/quote]
Not in and of itself, no. But the process by which the body changes has helped an untold number of people gain confidence and control over their lives. Exactly what I understand the OP is looking for.
[quote]dagill2 wrote]
Not in and of itself, no. But the process by which the body changes has helped an untold number of people gain confidence and control over their lives. Exactly what I understand the OP is looking for.[/quote]
Exactly, you understand completely.
I am going to go out on a limb here and do some personal story time. I may get ridiculed, especially because of my prior screwing around, but here goes anyway.
I know at least part of the reason I am still underdeveloped at 21. The truth is that I was an anorexic kid when I was a teenager. I was one of those kids who got bullied a lot in school, and then of course there’s that whole self-hate thing going on during the teenage years anyway. The end result was that I took it out on myself and starved myself during the period when most other boys are eating like pigs in the cafeteria. To date I still look about 15, and I’ve been 21 turns around the sun. I weighed 98 when I was going on 17. I weigh about 130 now.
A lot of it is a psychological thing. It was psychological when I dug myself into this pit of shit, and digging myself out of it will be psychological as well. People get EDs and such I believe as part of a self hatred complex. I have more confidence than I did, as evidenced by the fact that I can hold jobs, but the younger me had none whatsoever.
If you get a chance, google Elliot Rodger, the 22 year old virgin who shot up a college campus in California because he had never got laid and didn’t feel girls wanted him. In a lot of ways, I can empathize with that kid, but I can’t empathize with the stupid feeling of entitlement he had. Kid looked about 12, sort of in the same boat as me. I want to someday be what that kid COULD have done had he chosen to skullfuck and fix his life, instead of going the way of the pussy and shooting himself and a bunch of innocent people.
I know it’s not going to be easy to fix all this, it’s going to take time and my life may just be starting in a manner of speaking at 25-30. That’s a quarter of my lifespan gone right there, if I’m lucky. But I feel that taking charge of my health is a good first step. I don’t go crazy about working out in the sense that I micromanage everything. What is good enough for me is being lean, strong enough to work and do my job and still be able to be limber and flexible. Most importantly I want to be able to “bloom” and develop just like any other young man does.
I don’t know what’s going on with my hormones right now, I don’t get horny much anymore. I’m too exhausted really.
I attached a pic of me, I feel that it’s only right you get to see who you are dealing with.
[quote]dave670 wrote:
[quote]dagill2 wrote]
Not in and of itself, no. But the process by which the body changes has helped an untold number of people gain confidence and control over their lives. Exactly what I understand the OP is looking for.[/quote]
Exactly, you understand completely.
I am going to go out on a limb here and do some personal story time. I may get ridiculed, especially because of my prior screwing around, but here goes anyway.
I know at least part of the reason I am still underdeveloped at 21. The truth is that I was an anorexic kid when I was a teenager. I was one of those kids who got bullied a lot in school, and then of course there’s that whole self-hate thing going on during the teenage years anyway. The end result was that I took it out on myself and starved myself during the period when most other boys are eating like pigs in the cafeteria. To date I still look about 15, and I’ve been 21 turns around the sun. I weighed 98 when I was going on 17. I weigh about 130 now.
A lot of it is a psychological thing. It was psychological when I dug myself into this pit of shit, and digging myself out of it will be psychological as well. People get EDs and such I believe as part of a self hatred complex. I have more confidence than I did, as evidenced by the fact that I can hold jobs, but the younger me had none whatsoever.
If you get a chance, google Elliot Rodger, the 22 year old virgin who shot up a college campus in California because he had never got laid and didn’t feel girls wanted him. In a lot of ways, I can empathize with that kid, but I can’t empathize with the stupid feeling of entitlement he had. Kid looked about 12, sort of in the same boat as me. I want to someday be what that kid COULD have done had he chosen to skullfuck and fix his life, instead of going the way of the pussy and shooting himself and a bunch of innocent people.
I know it’s not going to be easy to fix all this, it’s going to take time and my life may just be starting in a manner of speaking at 25-30. That’s a quarter of my lifespan gone right there, if I’m lucky. But I feel that taking charge of my health is a good first step. I don’t go crazy about working out in the sense that I micromanage everything. What is good enough for me is being lean, strong enough to work and do my job and still be able to be limber and flexible. Most importantly I want to be able to “bloom” and develop just like any other young man does.
I don’t know what’s going on with my hormones right now, I don’t get horny much anymore. I’m too exhausted really
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I attached a pic of me, I feel that it’s only right you get to see who you are dealing with. [/quote]
It’s never too late to take charge. Making realistic goals, holding yourself accountable and working hard is all it takes. The problem sometimes is that people really underestimate how far they can push to reach goals. As long as you don’t make excuses, accept that mistakes will be made and always try to find ways to work around a problem, you’ll do fine. Thanks for sharing and good luck.