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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
My whole point I have been trying to make the past 24 hours is you can’t say Manziel has a noodle arm. It is a false statement. He can make any throw in a playbook. Bottom line[/quote]
So couldn’t Ryan Leaf. It takes more than making every throw in a playbook to be an NFL quarterback. [/quote]
Leaf was a bust. He had poor mobility, but he also blamed other people for his poor play.
Yeah, it takes more than just being able to make all the throws. I am talking about ‘every throw’ that includes rollouts to both sides of the feild, passes on the move and feet set though. Yes, it takes more than that. Manziel has great mobility, he doesn’t blame others, has a great feel for the game and sees the field good. But, my main point was to adress the nonsense that has been posted on here a few times that he has a noodle arm. No, he in fact does not have a noodle arm, he can make every throw in a playbook.
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But he doesn’t have a particularly strong arm. Your assertion was that he had a strong arm. By NFL standards, he doesn’t. He has an average arm.
And I read that crap from Mayock and Warner. They were high on him before, they bought the hype and validated it within their own minds the same way you do. You looked at a lot of other comments outside that one love fest and they all saw that throwing session as pretty blah, with one scout saying:
“If I had to cite a criticism, I would point out that Manziel didn’t attempt any deep throws to the boundary from the opposite hash. Evaluators want to see if quarterbacks can rifle the ball outside the numbers on deep-outs and comebacks from across the field, but Manziel only completed those passes when rolling in the direction of the throw. Thus, he didn’t make those throw from maximum distance and failed to convince evaluators that he possesses A-plus arm talent.” Bucky Brooks
He did good," said one NFC area scout who’s evaluated him for two years. “He did struggle to the left, and the ball fluttered when he’d try and force it in. Also, we didn’t really see him drive it downfield.”
“Most agreed that, overall, Manziel’s arm strength is fine. The aforementioned NFC assistant coach called it better than Blake Bortles’ and Teddy Bridgewater’s, and a half-dozen others agreed that the former Heisman Trophy winner is somewhere between average and above average (while not outstanding) in that area.”
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I didn’t mean to suggest that Manziel has an elite arm. If that is the way it came across, that’s my bad?
I just wanted to make clear that his arm strength is not a factor.
Most coaches do not want their QBs to throw a deep ball across the field from one hash over the top to the other hash. That is recipe for daster. The saftey and others have to much time to make adjustments. And you are bringing them back into a play for no reason. Maybe on a broken play and the defender had left his man or a blown coverage, but he showed on video that those types of throws would not be an issue. He hit Evens for 60+ yds in stride in the air!
Most coaches emphasize ‘Don’t throw across the fucking feild!’
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And you are correct about the not throwing across the field. You see it in these exhibitions as a way to show true arm strength though because it is the hardest throw in football. Which is why it should never be performed in a game situation. Which his arm strength was never the issue really. He has good enough arm strength. His issue is his mind. He never learned the plays and cant make reads for shit. He also gets hurt a lot. And in the NFL that is only going to pile up. Dude was one of the easiest busts to project ever.
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Your post doesn’t make since to me. Why would a hopeful draft pick bring in coaches and gms and think it would be a good idea to throw a pass that would make them throw up in their mouth a little.
Hey look guys, watch me throw this pass that you all would have a semi stroke if I threw it in a game. It would show them that he doesn’t have an understanding of the position. Especially if he can show his arm strength with correct passing decissions that do not cause the coaches eye ball to start twitching in his skull. [/quote]
Because they know what they are there for. How the ball was thrown is the only thing to be evaluated really at these things. There is no decision making to be questioned because he had planned all this out. It doesn’t show them anything about his understanding of the position.
You are talking about this like some of the talking heads on the NFL network and not the people paid to do these evaluations. Listen to Bill Polian vs the most of the rest of the idiots they have analyzing these things. He talks like a talent evaluator and understands the true context of these drills. The rest of them take these drills and try to fit them into neat talking points for people to eat up in the offseason. And many superfans lap it all up, forgetting to take it for what it is.
