2015 NFL Off Season

Lol, Bust, I called it, kept saying it and it was proven with Rehab.

He may come back, but he will be broke in half and have more INT than TD’s.

I see CFL in his future.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

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You are aware that you just posted video evidence to refute your point and bolster Aggv’s? Any ball he threw over 20 yrds was a rainbow and only semi accurate. His outs were not very tight and lacked zip. He has an average NFL arm at best. Did you not watch that video, and if you did is that the only pro-day vid you have ever watched? I get the feeling you have no frame of reference for what you were looking at.

And you really think that Manziel is not a system QB. He played for Sumlin man. That’s only one rung below playing for Mike Leach in the system QB hierarchy and he still didn’t know the plays have the time and had to be bailed out by Mike Evans. [/quote]

That’s what you took from the video? You don’t know what you are looking at. I don’t mean that in a disrespectful way. I’m just saying you don’t know what you are watching. Some of those deep balls were place perfectly in stride 40 yds down the field.

After watching that video and posting “rainbows” on deep throws, that landed right in the hands of the reciever without him breaking stride?

Don’t just take my word on it. Google that shit. Every coach, every GM, every consultant, every former coach, every former player, everyone that knows anything about the QB position said the same thing. He proved he can make every throw.

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Dude, he literally had one deep throw hit a guy in stride with no adjustment from the receiver.

And I did google it. The praise you speak of just doesn’t exist beyond people basically saying “Yeah, he did pretty good.” Couple people said he threw the deep ball “good enough”. Not really what you made it out to be. My favorite quote was basically “If you like him you thought he did good, if you didn’t, you still don’t like him. He didn’t really do anything either way.”

[quote]On the flip side, a number of evaluators pointed out that Manziel’s ball wobbled a little more than expected, and that he wasn’t fantastic throwing to his left, either from the pocket or when rolling out. Others didn’t deny the problems were there, but considered them more minimal.

Manziel completed 61 of his 64 passes, but in an environment like this, it’s more about how the ball gets there, since there isn’t coverage or a legitimate pass rush.

“He did good,” said one NFC area scout who’s evaluated him for two years. “He did struggle to the left, and the ball fluttered when he’d try and force it in. Also, we didn’t really see him drive it downfield.”

Most agreed that, overall, Manziel’s arm strength is fine. The aforementioned NFC assistant coach called it better than Blake Bortles’ and Teddy Bridgewater’s, and a half-dozen others agreed that the former Heisman Trophy winner is somewhere between average and above average (while not outstanding) in that area.

The bigger question lingering is his ability to sit in the pocket, read a defense and throw on time, an attribute that any team will be projecting going forward.

“I’d like to see him hitting more moving targets – the crossers, the seam throws,” one AFC college scouting director said. "It’s not like he was throwing full-speed seams. A lot of it was a placement thing, and that’s what he does well. You didn’t see the full-speed crossing routes, dig routes. Even the one dig they ran, it wasn’t really fast. I’d say the one thing I’d want is more of that.

“But even if he threw that stuff and did it well, his weakness is seeing the defense and delivering the ball over the middle of the field. Even if he did it there, that shouldn’t change your opinion, because there aren’t 11 defenders out there.”[/quote]

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I will look up and post some links later on. I have been using my cell this morning.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Lol, Bust, I called it, kept saying it and it was proven with Rehab.

He may come back, but he will be broke in half and have more INT than TD’s.

I see CFL in his future. [/quote]

Do you think Wilson is legit?

I am just going to post the first couple of results in a google search of " Manziel’s pro day review"

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Lol, Bust, I called it, kept saying it and it was proven with Rehab.

He may come back, but he will be broke in half and have more INT than TD’s.

I see CFL in his future. [/quote]

Do you think Wilson is legit?[/quote]

One of these is not like the other…

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

64 - 65[/quote]

You are aware that you just posted video evidence to refute your point and bolster Aggv’s? Any ball he threw over 20 yrds was a rainbow and only semi accurate. His outs were not very tight and lacked zip. He has an average NFL arm at best. Did you not watch that video, and if you did is that the only pro-day vid you have ever watched? I get the feeling you have no frame of reference for what you were looking at.

And you really think that Manziel is not a system QB. He played for Sumlin man. That’s only one rung below playing for Mike Leach in the system QB hierarchy and he still didn’t know the plays have the time and had to be bailed out by Mike Evans. [/quote]

That’s what you took from the video? You don’t know what you are looking at. I don’t mean that in a disrespectful way. I’m just saying you don’t know what you are watching. Some of those deep balls were place perfectly in stride 40 yds down the field.

After watching that video and posting “rainbows” on deep throws, that landed right in the hands of the reciever without him breaking stride?

Don’t just take my word on it. Google that shit. Every coach, every GM, every consultant, every former coach, every former player, everyone that knows anything about the QB position said the same thing. He proved he can make every throw.

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Dude, he literally had one deep throw hit a guy in stride with no adjustment from the receiver.

And I did google it. The praise you speak of just doesn’t exist beyond people basically saying “Yeah, he did pretty good.” Couple people said he threw the deep ball “good enough”. Not really what you made it out to be. My favorite quote was basically “If you like him you thought he did good, if you didn’t, you still don’t like him. He didn’t really do anything either way.”

[quote]On the flip side, a number of evaluators pointed out that Manziel’s ball wobbled a little more than expected, and that he wasn’t fantastic throwing to his left, either from the pocket or when rolling out. Others didn’t deny the problems were there, but considered them more minimal.

Manziel completed 61 of his 64 passes, but in an environment like this, it’s more about how the ball gets there, since there isn’t coverage or a legitimate pass rush.

“He did good,” said one NFC area scout who’s evaluated him for two years. “He did struggle to the left, and the ball fluttered when he’d try and force it in. Also, we didn’t really see him drive it downfield.”

Most agreed that, overall, Manziel’s arm strength is fine. The aforementioned NFC assistant coach called it better than Blake Bortles’ and Teddy Bridgewater’s, and a half-dozen others agreed that the former Heisman Trophy winner is somewhere between average and above average (while not outstanding) in that area.

The bigger question lingering is his ability to sit in the pocket, read a defense and throw on time, an attribute that any team will be projecting going forward.

“I’d like to see him hitting more moving targets – the crossers, the seam throws,” one AFC college scouting director said. "It’s not like he was throwing full-speed seams. A lot of it was a placement thing, and that’s what he does well. You didn’t see the full-speed crossing routes, dig routes. Even the one dig they ran, it wasn’t really fast. I’d say the one thing I’d want is more of that.

“But even if he threw that stuff and did it well, his weakness is seeing the defense and delivering the ball over the middle of the field. Even if he did it there, that shouldn’t change your opinion, because there aren’t 11 defenders out there.”[/quote]

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Either you are lying, or you don’t know how to use google.

First result in “Manziels pro day review”

[quote]mbdix wrote:

I am just going to post the first couple of results in a google search of " Manziel’s pro day review"[/quote]
It remains to be seen whether this form will hold once Manziel gets into the heat of NFL battle; a few years ago, Tim Tebowâ??s brain trust seemingly overhauled his delivery, only for the QB to return to his slow-motion throwing habits in the pros. But Manziel certainly has made progress.

He showcased just one major flaw in his throwing motion. Manziel doesnâ??t have a clean, prototypical overhead release; he often seems to throw from a three-quarters arm slot. Thatâ??s fine for most signal-callers, but Manzielâ??s lack of height could work against him here, leading to deflected passes.

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Lol, Bust, I called it, kept saying it and it was proven with Rehab.

He may come back, but he will be broke in half and have more INT than TD’s.

I see CFL in his future. [/quote]

Do you think Wilson is legit?[/quote]
He has a ring as many as P Manning has.

He has been to two SB in a row.

Is he legit, I believe the proof is on the field.

Manziel has done 0 on the NFL field.

Potential set aside, he has done 0, nothing.

He couldnt even keep his lips off a bottle and learn how to be a professional.

He had one job and he could not even do that.

The best comments he got came from a couple tweets. Basically lip service. The guys paid to break him down touted his competiveness and said things that sounded like compliments but were basically thinly veiled statements of indifference.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

The best comments he got came from a couple tweets. Basically lip service. The guys paid to break him down touted his competiveness and said things that sounded like compliments but were basically thinly veiled statements of indifference. [/quote]
Meh you dont know how to read, what do you know.

I took 3 years of English in college sir and they loved him.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

The best comments he got came from a couple tweets. Basically lip service. The guys paid to break him down touted his competiveness and said things that sounded like compliments but were basically thinly veiled statements of indifference. [/quote]
Meh you dont know how to read, what do you know.

I took 3 years of English in college sir and they loved him. [/quote]
“Johnny Football showed off perhaps the biggest arm in the draft.”

“But Manziel flashed perhaps the best pure arm strength of all the QB prospects, easily laying the ball out 40 yards for his receivers on several occasions. He did it both on the run and after setting his feet.”

“Manzielâ??s deep balls were particularly impressive. He ended the session by hitting Evans from about 65 yards out on the money, and throughout the workout, he got excellent touch and air on his long bombs. He showed a good feel for how and when to lay the ball out for his targets, and he didnâ??t throw any long incompletions.”

“His deep balls: great touch, great trajectory,” said NFL Network’s Kurt Warner. “If I looked at the starting quarterback in the National Football League, 20 of the starting quarterbacks can’t do those things.”

Mike Mayock, NFL Network’s top draft analyst, agreed.

“The one thing that I take away today â?? outside of arms strength and progressions and technical football â?? and this might be the most important takeaway for me is I think the kid loves competition,” he said.

“His deep balls: great touch, great trajectory,” said NFL Networks Kurt Warner. “If I looked at he starting quarterback in the National Football League, 20 of the starting quarterbacks can’t do those things.” Mike Maycock, NFL Networks top draft analyst, agreed.

“He showed us he can make all the throws,” NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner said. “That deep ball was impeccable. Great touch, good enough velocity and was able to set it out there.”

Mayock compared Manziel’s arm strength with the other top quarterback prospects in this year’s draft – Blake Bortles and Teddy Bridgewater – and said Manziel’s arm was at least as strong as Bortles’ and looks stronger than Bridgewater’s. Mayock raved about Manziel’s competitiveness and said Manziel confirmed that he can make every throw mechanically.

“There’s a leap of faith involved from a general manager or team perspective if you want to take this kid in the top 10,” Mayock said. “When chaos happens, he’s phenomenal. What you have to buy into, if he’s a top-10 pick, is that he’s going to learn. If you combine his spontaneity with an ability to win from within the pocket, then you’ve got something unique in today’s NFL. If you get that, yeah, he’s the No. 1 pick in the draft.”

The scout, speaking with Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, had high praise for Manziel’s abilities as a passer and even his arm strength, noting that Manziel is superior to Wilson in both departments.

Johnny Manziel might be similar to Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson in size and perhaps playing style, but when it comes to their passing skills, one NFL scout says that’s where the comparisons should stop.
The scout, speaking with Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, had high praise for Manziel’s abilities as a passer and even his arm strength, noting that Manziel is superior to Wilson in both departments.
“He’s a better passer than the guy who won the Super Bowl, and he’s got a better arm,” the scout said. “Here comes the pressure, a guy breaks open, and he finds the receiver. Does he have a gun? No. But he doesn’t have a bad arm at all.”

My whole point I have been trying to make the past 24 hours is you can’t say Manziel has a noodle arm. It is a false statement. He can make any throw in a playbook. Bottom line

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Lol, Bust, I called it, kept saying it and it was proven with Rehab.

He may come back, but he will be broke in half and have more INT than TD’s.

I see CFL in his future. [/quote]

Do you think Wilson is legit?[/quote]

One of these is not like the other…[/quote]

Yes he had a shitty rookie season, I was wrong in what I thought he would do in his first year in the NFL. It is now year two for him, and I think he will prove the people who are doubting him wrong.

[quote]mbdix wrote:
My whole point I have been trying to make the past 24 hours is you can’t say Manziel has a noodle arm. It is a false statement. He can make any throw in a playbook. Bottom line[/quote]

So couldn’t Ryan Leaf. It takes more than making every throw in a playbook to be an NFL quarterback.

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:
My whole point I have been trying to make the past 24 hours is you can’t say Manziel has a noodle arm. It is a false statement. He can make any throw in a playbook. Bottom line[/quote]

So couldn’t Ryan Leaf. It takes more than making every throw in a playbook to be an NFL quarterback. [/quote]

Leaf was a bust. He had poor mobility, but he also blamed other people for his poor play.

Yeah, it takes more than just being able to make all the throws. I am talking about ‘every throw’ that includes rollouts to both sides of the feild, passes on the move and feet set though. Yes, it takes more than that. Manziel has great mobility, he doesn’t blame others, has a great feel for the game and sees the field good. But, my main point was to adress the nonsense that has been posted on here a few times that he has a noodle arm. No, he in fact does not have a noodle arm, he can make every throw in a playbook.

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:
My whole point I have been trying to make the past 24 hours is you can’t say Manziel has a noodle arm. It is a false statement. He can make any throw in a playbook. Bottom line[/quote]

So couldn’t Ryan Leaf. It takes more than making every throw in a playbook to be an NFL quarterback. [/quote]

Leaf was a bust. He had poor mobility, but he also blamed other people for his poor play.

Yeah, it takes more than just being able to make all the throws. I am talking about ‘every throw’ that includes rollouts to both sides of the feild, passes on the move and feet set though. Yes, it takes more than that. Manziel has great mobility, he doesn’t blame others, has a great feel for the game and sees the field good. But, my main point was to adress the nonsense that has been posted on here a few times that he has a noodle arm. No, he in fact does not have a noodle arm, he can make every throw in a playbook.

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But he doesn’t have a particularly strong arm. Your assertion was that he had a strong arm. By NFL standards, he doesn’t. He has an average arm.

And I read that crap from Mayock and Warner. They were high on him before, they bought the hype and validated it within their own minds the same way you do. You looked at a lot of other comments outside that one love fest and they all saw that throwing session as pretty blah, with one scout saying:

“If I had to cite a criticism, I would point out that Manziel didn’t attempt any deep throws to the boundary from the opposite hash. Evaluators want to see if quarterbacks can rifle the ball outside the numbers on deep-outs and comebacks from across the field, but Manziel only completed those passes when rolling in the direction of the throw. Thus, he didn’t make those throw from maximum distance and failed to convince evaluators that he possesses A-plus arm talent.” Bucky Brooks

He did good," said one NFC area scout who’s evaluated him for two years. “He did struggle to the left, and the ball fluttered when he’d try and force it in. Also, we didn’t really see him drive it downfield.”

“Most agreed that, overall, Manziel’s arm strength is fine. The aforementioned NFC assistant coach called it better than Blake Bortles’ and Teddy Bridgewater’s, and a half-dozen others agreed that the former Heisman Trophy winner is somewhere between average and above average (while not outstanding) in that area.”

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:
My whole point I have been trying to make the past 24 hours is you can’t say Manziel has a noodle arm. It is a false statement. He can make any throw in a playbook. Bottom line[/quote]

So couldn’t Ryan Leaf. It takes more than making every throw in a playbook to be an NFL quarterback. [/quote]

Leaf was a bust. He had poor mobility, but he also blamed other people for his poor play.

Yeah, it takes more than just being able to make all the throws. I am talking about ‘every throw’ that includes rollouts to both sides of the feild, passes on the move and feet set though. Yes, it takes more than that. Manziel has great mobility, he doesn’t blame others, has a great feel for the game and sees the field good. But, my main point was to adress the nonsense that has been posted on here a few times that he has a noodle arm. No, he in fact does not have a noodle arm, he can make every throw in a playbook.

[/quote]

But he doesn’t have a particularly strong arm. Your assertion was that he had a strong arm. By NFL standards, he doesn’t. He has an average arm.

And I read that crap from Mayock and Warner. They were high on him before, they bought the hype and validated it within their own minds the same way you do. You looked at a lot of other comments outside that one love fest and they all saw that throwing session as pretty blah, with one scout saying:

“If I had to cite a criticism, I would point out that Manziel didn’t attempt any deep throws to the boundary from the opposite hash. Evaluators want to see if quarterbacks can rifle the ball outside the numbers on deep-outs and comebacks from across the field, but Manziel only completed those passes when rolling in the direction of the throw. Thus, he didn’t make those throw from maximum distance and failed to convince evaluators that he possesses A-plus arm talent.” Bucky Brooks

He did good," said one NFC area scout who’s evaluated him for two years. “He did struggle to the left, and the ball fluttered when he’d try and force it in. Also, we didn’t really see him drive it downfield.”

“Most agreed that, overall, Manziel’s arm strength is fine. The aforementioned NFC assistant coach called it better than Blake Bortles’ and Teddy Bridgewater’s, and a half-dozen others agreed that the former Heisman Trophy winner is somewhere between average and above average (while not outstanding) in that area.”

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I didn’t mean to suggest that Manziel has an elite arm. If that is the way it came across, that’s my bad?

I just wanted to make clear that his arm strength is not a factor.

Most coaches do not want their QBs to throw a deep ball across the field from one hash over the top to the other hash. That is recipe for daster. The saftey and others have to much time to make adjustments. And you are bringing them back into a play for no reason. Maybe on a broken play and the defender had left his man or a blown coverage, but he showed on video that those types of throws would not be an issue. He hit Evens for 60+ yds in stride in the air!

Most coaches emphasize ‘Don’t throw across the fucking feild!’

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:
My whole point I have been trying to make the past 24 hours is you can’t say Manziel has a noodle arm. It is a false statement. He can make any throw in a playbook. Bottom line[/quote]

So couldn’t Ryan Leaf. It takes more than making every throw in a playbook to be an NFL quarterback. [/quote]

Leaf was a bust. He had poor mobility, but he also blamed other people for his poor play.

Yeah, it takes more than just being able to make all the throws. I am talking about ‘every throw’ that includes rollouts to both sides of the feild, passes on the move and feet set though. Yes, it takes more than that. Manziel has great mobility, he doesn’t blame others, has a great feel for the game and sees the field good. But, my main point was to adress the nonsense that has been posted on here a few times that he has a noodle arm. No, he in fact does not have a noodle arm, he can make every throw in a playbook.

[/quote]

But he doesn’t have a particularly strong arm. Your assertion was that he had a strong arm. By NFL standards, he doesn’t. He has an average arm.

And I read that crap from Mayock and Warner. They were high on him before, they bought the hype and validated it within their own minds the same way you do. You looked at a lot of other comments outside that one love fest and they all saw that throwing session as pretty blah, with one scout saying:

“If I had to cite a criticism, I would point out that Manziel didn’t attempt any deep throws to the boundary from the opposite hash. Evaluators want to see if quarterbacks can rifle the ball outside the numbers on deep-outs and comebacks from across the field, but Manziel only completed those passes when rolling in the direction of the throw. Thus, he didn’t make those throw from maximum distance and failed to convince evaluators that he possesses A-plus arm talent.” Bucky Brooks

He did good," said one NFC area scout who’s evaluated him for two years. “He did struggle to the left, and the ball fluttered when he’d try and force it in. Also, we didn’t really see him drive it downfield.”

“Most agreed that, overall, Manziel’s arm strength is fine. The aforementioned NFC assistant coach called it better than Blake Bortles’ and Teddy Bridgewater’s, and a half-dozen others agreed that the former Heisman Trophy winner is somewhere between average and above average (while not outstanding) in that area.”

[/quote]

I didn’t mean to suggest that Manziel has an elite arm. If that is the way it came across, that’s my bad?

I just wanted to make clear that his arm strength is not a factor.

Most coaches do not want their QBs to throw a deep ball across the field from one hash over the top to the other hash. That is recipe for daster. The saftey and others have to much time to make adjustments. And you are bringing them back into a play for no reason. Maybe on a broken play and the defender had left his man or a blown coverage, but he showed on video that those types of throws would not be an issue. He hit Evens for 60+ yds in stride in the air!

Most coaches emphasize ‘Don’t throw across the fucking feild!’
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And you are correct about the not throwing across the field. You see it in these exhibitions as a way to show true arm strength though because it is the hardest throw in football. Which is why it should never be performed in a game situation. Which his arm strength was never the issue really. He has good enough arm strength. His issue is his mind. He never learned the plays and cant make reads for shit. He also gets hurt a lot. And in the NFL that is only going to pile up. Dude was one of the easiest busts to project ever.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:
My whole point I have been trying to make the past 24 hours is you can’t say Manziel has a noodle arm. It is a false statement. He can make any throw in a playbook. Bottom line[/quote]

So couldn’t Ryan Leaf. It takes more than making every throw in a playbook to be an NFL quarterback. [/quote]

Leaf was a bust. He had poor mobility, but he also blamed other people for his poor play.

Yeah, it takes more than just being able to make all the throws. I am talking about ‘every throw’ that includes rollouts to both sides of the feild, passes on the move and feet set though. Yes, it takes more than that. Manziel has great mobility, he doesn’t blame others, has a great feel for the game and sees the field good. But, my main point was to adress the nonsense that has been posted on here a few times that he has a noodle arm. No, he in fact does not have a noodle arm, he can make every throw in a playbook.

[/quote]

But he doesn’t have a particularly strong arm. Your assertion was that he had a strong arm. By NFL standards, he doesn’t. He has an average arm.

And I read that crap from Mayock and Warner. They were high on him before, they bought the hype and validated it within their own minds the same way you do. You looked at a lot of other comments outside that one love fest and they all saw that throwing session as pretty blah, with one scout saying:

“If I had to cite a criticism, I would point out that Manziel didn’t attempt any deep throws to the boundary from the opposite hash. Evaluators want to see if quarterbacks can rifle the ball outside the numbers on deep-outs and comebacks from across the field, but Manziel only completed those passes when rolling in the direction of the throw. Thus, he didn’t make those throw from maximum distance and failed to convince evaluators that he possesses A-plus arm talent.” Bucky Brooks

He did good," said one NFC area scout who’s evaluated him for two years. “He did struggle to the left, and the ball fluttered when he’d try and force it in. Also, we didn’t really see him drive it downfield.”

“Most agreed that, overall, Manziel’s arm strength is fine. The aforementioned NFC assistant coach called it better than Blake Bortles’ and Teddy Bridgewater’s, and a half-dozen others agreed that the former Heisman Trophy winner is somewhere between average and above average (while not outstanding) in that area.”

[/quote]

I didn’t mean to suggest that Manziel has an elite arm. If that is the way it came across, that’s my bad?

I just wanted to make clear that his arm strength is not a factor.

Most coaches do not want their QBs to throw a deep ball across the field from one hash over the top to the other hash. That is recipe for daster. The saftey and others have to much time to make adjustments. And you are bringing them back into a play for no reason. Maybe on a broken play and the defender had left his man or a blown coverage, but he showed on video that those types of throws would not be an issue. He hit Evens for 60+ yds in stride in the air!

Most coaches emphasize ‘Don’t throw across the fucking feild!’
[/quote]

And you are correct about the not throwing across the field. You see it in these exhibitions as a way to show true arm strength though because it is the hardest throw in football. Which is why it should never be performed in a game situation. Which his arm strength was never the issue really. He has good enough arm strength. His issue is his mind. He never learned the plays and cant make reads for shit. He also gets hurt a lot. And in the NFL that is only going to pile up. Dude was one of the easiest busts to project ever.
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Your post doesn’t make since to me. Why would a hopeful draft pick bring in coaches and gms and think it would be a good idea to throw a pass that would make them throw up in their mouth a little.

Hey look guys, watch me throw this pass that you all would have a semi stroke if I threw it in a game. It would show them that he doesn’t have an understanding of the position. Especially if he can show his arm strength with correct passing decissions that do not cause the coaches eye ball to start twitching in his skull.