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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Colin Kaepernick has looked pretty awful, I know its only pre season but I definitely take them out the top 5 teams. [/quote]

That’s why running Qb’s will never be the next big thing. They just don’t play consistently well or don’t stay healthy. Passing QB’s that can run are about as close to the “athlete playing QB” side of things that you should get.[/quote]

I agree. The only thing being a runner does is get you through the first couple of years while you learn to play in the NFL. No runner keeps running through out his career or it will be a short one. Everybody is one injury away from being a spectator.[/quote]

You sure aren’t right about that one.

Steve Young ran consistently throughout his entire career. He gained more yards in his second-to-last season at the age of 37 than any other season aside from 1992. More attempts than all but two seasons as well. He was a starter from 1991 to 1999 and he ran consistently and often in all of those seasons. When he got knocked the fuck out in 1999 and his career came to an end, he was dropping back in the pocket and got leveled. His best passing years also coincide with most of his best running years.

He’s an exception, but don’t say that NO runner keeps running throughout his career. Steve Young sure as hell did, and there are a lot of QB’s in the league who are more talented in terms of passing and running ability than he was.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounSt00.htm[/quote]

Steve Young falls into the Passing Quarterback that can run group. He didn’t depend on his legs but given the opportunity he could hurt you with them if you didn’t respect them. John Elway, Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb,Russell Wilson, and Andrew Luck would go here too. Steve Young was not a running QB, he was a QB that could run, which I previously stated is a close to a running QB as you should ever get. Interestingly, I almost used Young as an example in that previous post of a QB that could run.
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Obviously you never actually watched him play. The guy had the best rushing avg of any player at any position in the 1990’s. A QB who can run IS a running QB. Your semantical bullshit aside, you never watched Young play in his prime.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Colin Kaepernick has looked pretty awful, I know its only pre season but I definitely take them out the top 5 teams. [/quote]

That’s why running Qb’s will never be the next big thing. They just don’t play consistently well or don’t stay healthy. Passing QB’s that can run are about as close to the “athlete playing QB” side of things that you should get.[/quote]

I agree. The only thing being a runner does is get you through the first couple of years while you learn to play in the NFL. No runner keeps running through out his career or it will be a short one. Everybody is one injury away from being a spectator.[/quote]

You sure aren’t right about that one.

Steve Young ran consistently throughout his entire career. He gained more yards in his second-to-last season at the age of 37 than any other season aside from 1992. More attempts than all but two seasons as well. He was a starter from 1991 to 1999 and he ran consistently and often in all of those seasons. When he got knocked the fuck out in 1999 and his career came to an end, he was dropping back in the pocket and got leveled. His best passing years also coincide with most of his best running years.

He’s an exception, but don’t say that NO runner keeps running throughout his career. Steve Young sure as hell did, and there are a lot of QB’s in the league who are more talented in terms of passing and running ability than he was.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounSt00.htm[/quote]

You do realize there are other teams in the NFL other than SF? Steve Young is an exception. There will be other exceptions, but the rule is runners eventually get hurt…See Michael Vick.[/quote]

You said that NO runner continues to run throughout their career or else it ends up as a short one. I showed you an example that contradicted your blanket statement.

There will be other exceptions? So in other words, you’re right, except in the instances in which you are wrong. Gotcha.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Seahawks. Powerful. Wow.[/quote]

Very solid opener for the Hawks. A few stupid mistakes but overall very solid.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Seahawks. Powerful. Wow.[/quote]

Very solid opener for the Hawks. A few stupid mistakes but overall very solid. [/quote]

Yup.

I was a little disappointed in GB though. I was expecting them to do more.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Colin Kaepernick has looked pretty awful, I know its only pre season but I definitely take them out the top 5 teams. [/quote]

That’s why running Qb’s will never be the next big thing. They just don’t play consistently well or don’t stay healthy. Passing QB’s that can run are about as close to the “athlete playing QB” side of things that you should get.[/quote]

I agree. The only thing being a runner does is get you through the first couple of years while you learn to play in the NFL. No runner keeps running through out his career or it will be a short one. Everybody is one injury away from being a spectator.[/quote]

You sure aren’t right about that one.

Steve Young ran consistently throughout his entire career. He gained more yards in his second-to-last season at the age of 37 than any other season aside from 1992. More attempts than all but two seasons as well. He was a starter from 1991 to 1999 and he ran consistently and often in all of those seasons. When he got knocked the fuck out in 1999 and his career came to an end, he was dropping back in the pocket and got leveled. His best passing years also coincide with most of his best running years.

He’s an exception, but don’t say that NO runner keeps running throughout his career. Steve Young sure as hell did, and there are a lot of QB’s in the league who are more talented in terms of passing and running ability than he was.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounSt00.htm[/quote]

Steve Young falls into the Passing Quarterback that can run group. He didn’t depend on his legs but given the opportunity he could hurt you with them if you didn’t respect them. John Elway, Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb,Russell Wilson, and Andrew Luck would go here too. Steve Young was not a running QB, he was a QB that could run, which I previously stated is a close to a running QB as you should ever get. Interestingly, I almost used Young as an example in that previous post of a QB that could run.
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Obviously you never actually watched him play. The guy had the best rushing avg of any player at any position in the 1990’s. A QB who can run IS a running QB. Your semantical bullshit aside, you never watched Young play in his prime. [/quote]

1994 16 games played 3.6 Rushing attempts per game (the fewest in his career as a starter). Which in all honesty, I guess he wasn’t as much of an exception as I thought he was, 15 years in the NFL, 8 as a QB1, only 3 16 game seasons.
Is it possible that holding on to a QB that was aging from all those hits from rushing to much could have brought down a team talented enough to take Jeff Garcia to the playoffs before finally being buried in mediocrity for a decade??

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As a 49ers fan, after watching last night’s game it has occurred to me that this could be a really ugly winter. Oh well. At least I can take solace in knowing that there’s only one pro sports team in Seattle. Everything else up there is pure minor league bullshit.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Colin Kaepernick has looked pretty awful, I know its only pre season but I definitely take them out the top 5 teams. [/quote]

That’s why running Qb’s will never be the next big thing. They just don’t play consistently well or don’t stay healthy. Passing QB’s that can run are about as close to the “athlete playing QB” side of things that you should get.[/quote]

I agree. The only thing being a runner does is get you through the first couple of years while you learn to play in the NFL. No runner keeps running through out his career or it will be a short one. Everybody is one injury away from being a spectator.[/quote]

You sure aren’t right about that one.

Steve Young ran consistently throughout his entire career. He gained more yards in his second-to-last season at the age of 37 than any other season aside from 1992. More attempts than all but two seasons as well. He was a starter from 1991 to 1999 and he ran consistently and often in all of those seasons. When he got knocked the fuck out in 1999 and his career came to an end, he was dropping back in the pocket and got leveled. His best passing years also coincide with most of his best running years.

He’s an exception, but don’t say that NO runner keeps running throughout his career. Steve Young sure as hell did, and there are a lot of QB’s in the league who are more talented in terms of passing and running ability than he was.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounSt00.htm[/quote]

Steve Young falls into the Passing Quarterback that can run group. He didn’t depend on his legs but given the opportunity he could hurt you with them if you didn’t respect them. John Elway, Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb,Russell Wilson, and Andrew Luck would go here too. Steve Young was not a running QB, he was a QB that could run, which I previously stated is a close to a running QB as you should ever get. Interestingly, I almost used Young as an example in that previous post of a QB that could run.
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Obviously you never actually watched him play. The guy had the best rushing avg of any player at any position in the 1990’s. A QB who can run IS a running QB. Your semantical bullshit aside, you never watched Young play in his prime. [/quote]

1994 16 games played 3.6 Rushing attempts per game (the fewest in his career as a starter). Which in all honesty, I guess he wasn’t as much of an exception as I thought he was, 15 years in the NFL, 8 as a QB1, only 3 16 game seasons.
Is it possible that holding on to a QB that was aging from all those hits from rushing to much could have brought down a team talented enough to take Jeff Garcia to the playoffs before finally being buried in mediocrity for a decade??[/quote]

The team that went with Garcia to the playoffs was almost entirely different than the one that Young played on. Young went down in '99. They didn’t turn things around until two years later. When Young went down and the team, which was a legitimate Super Bowl contender with him, completely fell apart, it became painfully aware just how much Young carried that team.

With him, they were contenders. They lost him and immediately dropped something like 8 of 9 games.

Again, if you are going to posit that Young was aging because he took too many hits while running, you simply didn’t watch him play and have no leg to stand on anymore in terms of this discussion. He got knocked out running, sure. He also got knocked around pretty regularly in the pocket and suffered at least two major concussions (are there any other kind?) sitting in the pocket.

You’re just looking at his stats, taking into account the fact that his career was ended by concussions, and leaping to the conclusion that those injuries were running-related. Every concussion he suffered that I can think of happened as a result of poor pass protection, not him running when he should have been throwing.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
As a 49ers fan, after watching last night’s game it has occurred to me that this could be a really ugly winter. Oh well. At least I can take solace in knowing that there’s only one pro sports team in Seattle. Everything else up there is pure minor league bullshit.[/quote]

How bad do you think Kap is going to torch the 'Boys? I am thinking after the abysmal preseason (which doesn’t mean much) this outta be a good tune-up game for him this year.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Colin Kaepernick has looked pretty awful, I know its only pre season but I definitely take them out the top 5 teams. [/quote]

That’s why running Qb’s will never be the next big thing. They just don’t play consistently well or don’t stay healthy. Passing QB’s that can run are about as close to the “athlete playing QB” side of things that you should get.[/quote]

I agree. The only thing being a runner does is get you through the first couple of years while you learn to play in the NFL. No runner keeps running through out his career or it will be a short one. Everybody is one injury away from being a spectator.[/quote]

You sure aren’t right about that one.

Steve Young ran consistently throughout his entire career. He gained more yards in his second-to-last season at the age of 37 than any other season aside from 1992. More attempts than all but two seasons as well. He was a starter from 1991 to 1999 and he ran consistently and often in all of those seasons. When he got knocked the fuck out in 1999 and his career came to an end, he was dropping back in the pocket and got leveled. His best passing years also coincide with most of his best running years.

He’s an exception, but don’t say that NO runner keeps running throughout his career. Steve Young sure as hell did, and there are a lot of QB’s in the league who are more talented in terms of passing and running ability than he was.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounSt00.htm[/quote]

Steve Young falls into the Passing Quarterback that can run group. He didn’t depend on his legs but given the opportunity he could hurt you with them if you didn’t respect them. John Elway, Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb,Russell Wilson, and Andrew Luck would go here too. Steve Young was not a running QB, he was a QB that could run, which I previously stated is a close to a running QB as you should ever get. Interestingly, I almost used Young as an example in that previous post of a QB that could run.
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Obviously you never actually watched him play. The guy had the best rushing avg of any player at any position in the 1990’s. A QB who can run IS a running QB. Your semantical bullshit aside, you never watched Young play in his prime. [/quote]

1994 16 games played 3.6 Rushing attempts per game (the fewest in his career as a starter). Which in all honesty, I guess he wasn’t as much of an exception as I thought he was, 15 years in the NFL, 8 as a QB1, only 3 16 game seasons.
Is it possible that holding on to a QB that was aging from all those hits from rushing to much could have brought down a team talented enough to take Jeff Garcia to the playoffs before finally being buried in mediocrity for a decade??[/quote]

You were 12 years old when he played his last game. How much can you really know about his playing style compared to someone who literally saw every home game he ever played in as a starter?

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
As a 49ers fan, after watching last night’s game it has occurred to me that this could be a really ugly winter. Oh well. At least I can take solace in knowing that there’s only one pro sports team in Seattle. Everything else up there is pure minor league bullshit.[/quote]

How bad do you think Kap is going to torch the 'Boys? I am thinking after the abysmal preseason (which doesn’t mean much) this outta be a good tune-up game for him this year.[/quote]

The preseason was meaningless. The 49ers offense is a 4-quarter, all-day sucker. You can’t look at a couple series in the first quarter and make any sort of evaluation of it. The O-line worries me a little, but it’s the D that I’m really worried about. They have absolutely nailed their last 2 drafts and are set up to be dominant for a long time on D, but I don’t see that happening without some serious growing pains along the way. Aaron Lynch, Quinton Dial, Tank Carradine, Eric Reid, and Jimmie Ward were all drafted in the last 2 years and they’re all going to be solid-to-really good players.

I don’t expect Kaep to torch the Cowgirls. I think they’ll just wrap their fingers around that D’s jugular and slowly squeeze it until their windpipe crushes, which will probably be somewhere around the 5-minute mark in the 4th quarter.

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Seattle looked fantastic last night on both sides of the ball. I love Aaron Rogers and he could not throw the ball down the field effectively THe play calling for Seattle was terrific. That option pass for a TD was a great call.

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GB didn’t throw one ball towards Sherman:

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Colin Kaepernick has looked pretty awful, I know its only pre season but I definitely take them out the top 5 teams. [/quote]

That’s why running Qb’s will never be the next big thing. They just don’t play consistently well or don’t stay healthy. Passing QB’s that can run are about as close to the “athlete playing QB” side of things that you should get.[/quote]

I agree. The only thing being a runner does is get you through the first couple of years while you learn to play in the NFL. No runner keeps running through out his career or it will be a short one. Everybody is one injury away from being a spectator.[/quote]

You sure aren’t right about that one.

Steve Young ran consistently throughout his entire career. He gained more yards in his second-to-last season at the age of 37 than any other season aside from 1992. More attempts than all but two seasons as well. He was a starter from 1991 to 1999 and he ran consistently and often in all of those seasons. When he got knocked the fuck out in 1999 and his career came to an end, he was dropping back in the pocket and got leveled. His best passing years also coincide with most of his best running years.

He’s an exception, but don’t say that NO runner keeps running throughout his career. Steve Young sure as hell did, and there are a lot of QB’s in the league who are more talented in terms of passing and running ability than he was.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounSt00.htm[/quote]

Steve Young falls into the Passing Quarterback that can run group. He didn’t depend on his legs but given the opportunity he could hurt you with them if you didn’t respect them. John Elway, Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb,Russell Wilson, and Andrew Luck would go here too. Steve Young was not a running QB, he was a QB that could run, which I previously stated is a close to a running QB as you should ever get. Interestingly, I almost used Young as an example in that previous post of a QB that could run.
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Obviously you never actually watched him play. The guy had the best rushing avg of any player at any position in the 1990’s. A QB who can run IS a running QB. Your semantical bullshit aside, you never watched Young play in his prime. [/quote]

1994 16 games played 3.6 Rushing attempts per game (the fewest in his career as a starter). Which in all honesty, I guess he wasn’t as much of an exception as I thought he was, 15 years in the NFL, 8 as a QB1, only 3 16 game seasons.
Is it possible that holding on to a QB that was aging from all those hits from rushing to much could have brought down a team talented enough to take Jeff Garcia to the playoffs before finally being buried in mediocrity for a decade??[/quote]

You were 12 years old when he played his last game. How much can you really know about his playing style compared to someone who literally saw every home game he ever played in as a starter?[/quote]

Sometimes being in the moment and witnessing awesome play (which is what Young provided) clouds our analysis of the past. I am just looking at the numbers. The numbers say he won one Superbowl on a team that Yankee’d out in '94 and only had 3 seasons where he wasn’t hurt at least a few games.

And before you think I am a Young-hater, I was a huge Young fan when I was a kid, got to see him play in person 3 times. You know I have to be a fan if I was wearing a Young #8 in the Superdome.

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Carroll and his staff really deserve a lot of credit.

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This year at Thanksgiving I hope I’m giving thanks for a healthy Percy Harvin.

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Browns getting dominated. Look for a halftime change at QB. Johnny Football time boys

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[quote]mbdix wrote:
Browns getting dominated. Look for a halftime change at QB. Johnny Football time boys[/quote]

Johnny Football is a bust.

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Well the Ravens offense has their head squarely up their ass, as usual.

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[quote]mbdix wrote:
Browns getting dominated. Look for a halftime change at QB. Johnny Football time boys[/quote]

Lol…