nice work joe. I’ll have to give that 60 day thing a try if my hip ever gets better
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
60 day challenge
23 chins
23 lunges
23 push ups
23 air squats[/quote]
are your traps starting to ache like mine?
looking good.
this 60 day business is good.
[quote]soldog wrote:
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
60 day challenge
23 chins
23 lunges
23 push ups
23 air squats[/quote]
are your traps starting to ache like mine?[/quote]
For me its the delts that seem to get sore.
I agree with giterdone.
First, you should not listen to me, especially someone who is doing half the weight you are. However, with that caveat, I have noticed the following.
In this first picture (screen capture from your movie), you are in good position, legs bent, hands tight on the bar, neck and face straining. This is essentially the start of your list (more pics and comments below).
[quote]giterdone wrote:
Broseph, on the sumos it looks like you have your shins almost against the bar while you are standing. Then when you drop down to the bar your knees and shoulders come over the bar.
This makes it really hard to drive with your legs / ass to break the bar off the floor and it becomes mroe of a back movement.
Try setting up a bit further away from the bar (~ 2 inches), watch your initial shoulder position and just think about the squat movement to start. This helped me quite a bit.[/quote]
In this next picture, you have already started the lift, your legs are straightening, but the weight has not come off the floor. At this point the weight should be coming off the floor (in my opinion) – otherwise you are delaying the lift to be entirely a back movement. Notice the bar is bending, the legs are straighter than the first picture.
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
[quote]giterdone wrote:
Broseph, on the sumos it looks like you have your shins almost against the bar while you are standing. Then when you drop down to the bar your knees and shoulders come over the bar.
This makes it really hard to drive with your legs / ass to break the bar off the floor and it becomes mroe of a back movement.
Try setting up a bit further away from the bar (~ 2 inches), watch your initial shoulder position and just think about the squat movement to start. This helped me quite a bit.[/quote]
Thanks, I’m going to give that a shot next week.[/quote]
This is the last frame I looked at. This is the first frame where I could actually see the weight start to come off of the floor. At this point, I think your legs are much straighter than when you started – again, making it mostly a back movement.
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
[quote]giterdone wrote:
Broseph, on the sumos it looks like you have your shins almost against the bar while you are standing. Then when you drop down to the bar your knees and shoulders come over the bar.
This makes it really hard to drive with your legs / ass to break the bar off the floor and it becomes mroe of a back movement.
Try setting up a bit further away from the bar (~ 2 inches), watch your initial shoulder position and just think about the squat movement to start. This helped me quite a bit.[/quote]
Thanks, I’m going to give that a shot next week.[/quote]
[quote]fatInIC wrote:
This is the last frame I looked at. This is the first frame where I could actually see the weight start to come off of the floor. At this point, I think your legs are much straighter than when you started – again, making it mostly a back movement.
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
[quote]giterdone wrote:
Broseph, on the sumos it looks like you have your shins almost against the bar while you are standing. Then when you drop down to the bar your knees and shoulders come over the bar.
This makes it really hard to drive with your legs / ass to break the bar off the floor and it becomes mroe of a back movement.
Try setting up a bit further away from the bar (~ 2 inches), watch your initial shoulder position and just think about the squat movement to start. This helped me quite a bit.[/quote]
Thanks, I’m going to give that a shot next week.[/quote]
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That breaks it down pretty well. I think all it points to the need to pull back more rather than up. Easier said than done of course, but something to work on.
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
[quote]fatInIC wrote:
This is the last frame I looked at. This is the first frame where I could actually see the weight start to come off of the floor. At this point, I think your legs are much straighter than when you started – again, making it mostly a back movement.
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That breaks it down pretty well. I think all it points to the need to pull back more rather than up. Easier said than done of course, but something to work on.[/quote]
This was a really good pic breakdown…also shoulders look like they are continuing to come forward over the bar,again pointing to pulling back first, then explode with the legs…
[quote]giterdone wrote:
Broseph, on the sumos it looks like you have your shins almost against the bar while you are standing. Then when you drop down to the bar your knees and shoulders come over the bar.
This makes it really hard to drive with your legs / ass to break the bar off the floor and it becomes mroe of a back movement.
Try setting up a bit further away from the bar (~ 2 inches), watch your initial shoulder position and just think about the squat movement to start. This helped me quite a bit.[/quote]
I’m going to try this, too, since I have similar problems with sumo.
And that screen breakdown was very educational.
I know I give advice to people who lift way more than I do. I can’t even always implement my own advice but have a very keen eye for form violations, I believe.
Joe have you considered pulling conventional?
I seem to remember a video a while back of you doing both sumo and conv? If i remember right conv seemed like a much more natural movement for you?
[quote]Germanone wrote:
Joe have you considered pulling conventional?
I seem to remember a video a while back of you doing both sumo and conv? If i remember right conv seemed like a much more natural movement for you?[/quote]
I’m having the Groundhog Day sensation.
We all told Joe to pull sumo since he uses his back so much with conventional!
[quote]Germanone wrote:
Joe have you considered pulling conventional?
I seem to remember a video a while back of you doing both sumo and conv? If i remember right conv seemed like a much more natural movement for you?[/quote]
I had low back rounding issues with conventional that I couldn’t ever seem to fix so I switched. Conventional feels more natural but sumo is WAY easier on my low back. Which i think is because as much back as I get in sumo I was able to turn conventional into a back only exercise. I’ll see if I can dig up some old conventional pulling vids.
So to sum up all of my lifting, I lift like a born runner.
Way to go Joe! If I took that 60 day challenge I’d still only do 1 pull up. Thats ballsy as hell!
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
[quote]Germanone wrote:
Joe have you considered pulling conventional?
I seem to remember a video a while back of you doing both sumo and conv? If i remember right conv seemed like a much more natural movement for you?[/quote]
I had low back rounding issues with conventional that I couldn’t ever seem to fix so I switched. Conventional feels more natural but sumo is WAY easier on my low back. Which i think is because as much back as I get in sumo I was able to turn conventional into a back only exercise. I’ll see if I can dig up some old conventional pulling vids.[/quote]
I’de like to take a look if you don’t mind.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]Germanone wrote:
Joe have you considered pulling conventional?
I seem to remember a video a while back of you doing both sumo and conv? If i remember right conv seemed like a much more natural movement for you?[/quote]
I’m having the Groundhog Day sensation.
We all told Joe to pull sumo since he uses his back so much with conventional![/quote]
Lol, from the looks of the sumo he is now using his back a ton there to?
[quote]Germanone wrote:
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
[quote]Germanone wrote:
Joe have you considered pulling conventional?
I seem to remember a video a while back of you doing both sumo and conv? If i remember right conv seemed like a much more natural movement for you?[/quote]
I had low back rounding issues with conventional that I couldn’t ever seem to fix so I switched. Conventional feels more natural but sumo is WAY easier on my low back. Which i think is because as much back as I get in sumo I was able to turn conventional into a back only exercise. I’ll see if I can dig up some old conventional pulling vids.[/quote]
I’de like to take a look if you don’t mind.[/quote]
Here are so old vids:
I somehow lost a lot of videos but here are a few. POV might not be so hot. This last one is pretty indicative of my suckitude.
60 Day challenge
24 chins
24 reverse lunges
24 push ups
24 air squats
Joe, dday sent me a link to this article, I know you pull sumo, but it does mention benefits to squatting behind the bar and stiff legging it behind the bar, which may pertain to you.
Style Issue #1: Squat behind the bar or straight legged? Okay, hereâ??s the deal with this. If you squat behind the bar, you can use your quads to help you break the bar off the floor. This is advantageous for most lifters. However, if you pull more straight legged (as I do), itâ??s easier to break heavier weight off the floor. The weight tends to move faster. However, the lower back usually fatigues before everything else, and youâ??re left â??hitchyâ?? at the top.
Therefore, you must have an iron stomach along with a rock solid lower back and glutes in order to pull this style. You must also wear a belt any time you lift over 85 percent. With this style, the speed advantage is critical because you are essentially trying to â??out runâ?? you lower back fatigue to lockout. Be aggressive, and use this leverage to your advantage if you choose to use it at all. Just make sure that when the bar clears your knees, you lean back hard with the shoulders and push your hips through!