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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:
Kobe is my fav player but come on man… He is not even close to jordan. Jordan’s career numbers are better than kobes in every single category. He also has 6 rings to kobe’s 4. Nobody is dissing kobe by not picking him over jordan… Jordan is just better. The numbers don’t lie. Defense and offense.[/quote]

Dude, I wouldn’t say he’s “not even close”. And we’re talking about a man who has another 5 plus years to his career. His career is not over. Jordan’s is. Let’s see where Kobe is at 6 to 8 years from now. But to say he’s “not even close” is a little dramatic and untrue.[/quote]

ok he’s close but come on, He’s not gonna catch him up. People seem to forget how great jordan was because they don’t get to see him play all the time like they do kobe. Kobe is the second greatest and thats not a bad title.

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^Let’s just not write off this debate as closed yet. Again, if Kobe wins 7 + titles it’s starts making this argument very, very viable. And don’t tell me 7 titles is not possible. He may possibly get 5 this year and all of the Laker main players are locked up for the next 3 years so another 2 championships is possible.

Also, Kobe talks about playing until 40 and the man keeps himself in excellent shape. All I’m saying is who knows…

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:
Kobe is my fav player but come on man… He is not even close to jordan. Jordan’s career numbers are better than kobes in every single category. He also has 6 rings to kobe’s 4. Nobody is dissing kobe by not picking him over jordan… Jordan is just better. The numbers don’t lie. Defense and offense.[/quote]

Dude, I wouldn’t say he’s “not even close”. And we’re talking about a man who has another 5 plus years to his career. His career is not over. Jordan’s is. Let’s see where Kobe is at 6 to 8 years from now. But to say he’s “not even close” is a little dramatic and untrue.[/quote]

ok he’s close but come on, He’s not gonna catch him up. People seem to forget how great jordan was because they don’t get to see him play all the time like they do kobe. Kobe is the second greatest and thats not a bad title. [/quote]

Jordan’s numbers are better for a lot of reasons. Kobe came straight from highschool to a playoff team, Jordan spent 3 years under Dean Smith into a shit situation where he was the man. Jordan never played with another 30pt scorer, Kobe did. Jordan had the benefit of basically being the teams 1-5, and in doing so had the ball in his hands 90+% of the time. As soon as Jackson instituted the triangle, his numbers dropped pretty significantly. Kobe’s played in the triangle for basicaly 4/5th’s of his career. Think about that. As ridiculous as his numbers have been, they could’ve been better in a more ball dominant situation. Put Bryant on the Cavs and he averages 40. Jordan had to deal with hand checking, but Bryant has to face zones, something Jordan never did. The games players are bigger/stronger/faster, and the teams defensive scouting is light years ahead of where it was in Jordans youth, yet Bryant still averaged 30+. Jordan is the greatest player of all-time, no question. But, to say that he and Bryant are way off is just flat out wrong. Phil Jackson has said repeatedly that Bryant is not only the better scorer of the two, but that he has better basketball skills as well. He’s not the only player/ex-player/coach to make that statement. It’s not that far fetched to believe Bryant could go down as the best player ever.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:
Kobe is my fav player but come on man… He is not even close to jordan. Jordan’s career numbers are better than kobes in every single category. He also has 6 rings to kobe’s 4. Nobody is dissing kobe by not picking him over jordan… Jordan is just better. The numbers don’t lie. Defense and offense.[/quote]

Dude, I wouldn’t say he’s “not even close”. And we’re talking about a man who has another 5 plus years to his career. His career is not over. Jordan’s is. Let’s see where Kobe is at 6 to 8 years from now. But to say he’s “not even close” is a little dramatic and untrue.[/quote]

ok he’s close but come on, He’s not gonna catch him up. People seem to forget how great jordan was because they don’t get to see him play all the time like they do kobe. Kobe is the second greatest and thats not a bad title. [/quote]

Jordan’s numbers are better for a lot of reasons. Kobe came straight from highschool to a playoff team, Jordan spent 3 years under Dean Smith into a shit situation where he was the man. Jordan never played with another 30pt scorer, Kobe did. Jordan had the benefit of basically being the teams 1-5, and in doing so had the ball in his hands 90+% of the time. As soon as Jackson instituted the triangle, his numbers dropped pretty significantly. Kobe’s played in the triangle for basicaly 4/5th’s of his career. Think about that. As ridiculous as his numbers have been, they could’ve been better in a more ball dominant situation. Put Bryant on the Cavs and he averages 40. Jordan had to deal with hand checking, but Bryant has to face zones, something Jordan never did. The games players are bigger/stronger/faster, and the teams defensive scouting is light years ahead of where it was in Jordans youth, yet Bryant still averaged 30+. Jordan is the greatest player of all-time, no question. But, to say that he and Bryant are way off is just flat out wrong. Phil Jackson has said repeatedly that Bryant is not only the better scorer of the two, but that he has better basketball skills as well. He’s not the only player/ex-player/coach to make that statement. It’s not that far fetched to believe Bryant could go down as the best player ever.[/quote]

so you would rather have Kobe bryant on your team than MJ?? he’s the closest to m.j but hes not as good as him. Todays game is all about entertainment… you get a bunch of fouls and can’t really guard anyone anymore… defense sucks!! I mean m.j scored 50 points at 40! wtf!! a 40 year old shouldn’t be scoring 50 points. M.j would of dominated in todays league. It wouldn’t even be close.

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:
Kobe is my fav player but come on man… He is not even close to jordan. Jordan’s career numbers are better than kobes in every single category. He also has 6 rings to kobe’s 4. Nobody is dissing kobe by not picking him over jordan… Jordan is just better. The numbers don’t lie. Defense and offense.[/quote]

Dude, I wouldn’t say he’s “not even close”. And we’re talking about a man who has another 5 plus years to his career. His career is not over. Jordan’s is. Let’s see where Kobe is at 6 to 8 years from now. But to say he’s “not even close” is a little dramatic and untrue.[/quote]

ok he’s close but come on, He’s not gonna catch him up. People seem to forget how great jordan was because they don’t get to see him play all the time like they do kobe. Kobe is the second greatest and thats not a bad title. [/quote]

Jordan’s numbers are better for a lot of reasons. Kobe came straight from highschool to a playoff team, Jordan spent 3 years under Dean Smith into a shit situation where he was the man. Jordan never played with another 30pt scorer, Kobe did. Jordan had the benefit of basically being the teams 1-5, and in doing so had the ball in his hands 90+% of the time. As soon as Jackson instituted the triangle, his numbers dropped pretty significantly. Kobe’s played in the triangle for basicaly 4/5th’s of his career. Think about that. As ridiculous as his numbers have been, they could’ve been better in a more ball dominant situation. Put Bryant on the Cavs and he averages 40. Jordan had to deal with hand checking, but Bryant has to face zones, something Jordan never did. The games players are bigger/stronger/faster, and the teams defensive scouting is light years ahead of where it was in Jordans youth, yet Bryant still averaged 30+. Jordan is the greatest player of all-time, no question. But, to say that he and Bryant are way off is just flat out wrong. Phil Jackson has said repeatedly that Bryant is not only the better scorer of the two, but that he has better basketball skills as well. He’s not the only player/ex-player/coach to make that statement. It’s not that far fetched to believe Bryant could go down as the best player ever.[/quote]

so you would rather have Kobe bryant on your team than MJ?? he’s the closest to m.j but hes not as good as him. Todays game is all about entertainment… you get a bunch of fouls and can’t really guard anyone anymore… defense sucks!! I mean m.j scored 50 points at 40! wtf!! a 40 year old shouldn’t be scoring 50 points. M.j would of dominated in todays league. It wouldn’t even be close. [/quote]

He also couldn’t get to the playoffs and disrupted the development of several players in the process, so what’s your point? Dude, I’m starting to question your basketball knowledge. The team defense today is light years ahead of where it was in the late 80’s/early 90’s. The individual D was tougher due to handchecking, but there were no zones, no box-and-1’s, no mandatory individual dvd viewings of your match-up assignment, etc… If we’re playing with NBA refs I take Jordan 'cause he’ll get the call everytime. If we’re playing with refs who don’t know anything other than honest officiating I’m taking Bryant. More moves, better shooter, better handle, better vision. Jordan is still the best of all-time, but Bryant is the best offensive player in league history, and it’s not even close.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:
Kobe is my fav player but come on man… He is not even close to jordan. Jordan’s career numbers are better than kobes in every single category. He also has 6 rings to kobe’s 4. Nobody is dissing kobe by not picking him over jordan… Jordan is just better. The numbers don’t lie. Defense and offense.[/quote]

Dude, I wouldn’t say he’s “not even close”. And we’re talking about a man who has another 5 plus years to his career. His career is not over. Jordan’s is. Let’s see where Kobe is at 6 to 8 years from now. But to say he’s “not even close” is a little dramatic and untrue.[/quote]

ok he’s close but come on, He’s not gonna catch him up. People seem to forget how great jordan was because they don’t get to see him play all the time like they do kobe. Kobe is the second greatest and thats not a bad title. [/quote]

Jordan’s numbers are better for a lot of reasons. Kobe came straight from highschool to a playoff team, Jordan spent 3 years under Dean Smith into a shit situation where he was the man. Jordan never played with another 30pt scorer, Kobe did. Jordan had the benefit of basically being the teams 1-5, and in doing so had the ball in his hands 90+% of the time. As soon as Jackson instituted the triangle, his numbers dropped pretty significantly. Kobe’s played in the triangle for basicaly 4/5th’s of his career. Think about that. As ridiculous as his numbers have been, they could’ve been better in a more ball dominant situation. Put Bryant on the Cavs and he averages 40. Jordan had to deal with hand checking, but Bryant has to face zones, something Jordan never did. The games players are bigger/stronger/faster, and the teams defensive scouting is light years ahead of where it was in Jordans youth, yet Bryant still averaged 30+. Jordan is the greatest player of all-time, no question. But, to say that he and Bryant are way off is just flat out wrong. Phil Jackson has said repeatedly that Bryant is not only the better scorer of the two, but that he has better basketball skills as well. He’s not the only player/ex-player/coach to make that statement. It’s not that far fetched to believe Bryant could go down as the best player ever.[/quote]

so you would rather have Kobe bryant on your team than MJ?? he’s the closest to m.j but hes not as good as him. Todays game is all about entertainment… you get a bunch of fouls and can’t really guard anyone anymore… defense sucks!! I mean m.j scored 50 points at 40! wtf!! a 40 year old shouldn’t be scoring 50 points. M.j would of dominated in todays league. It wouldn’t even be close. [/quote]

He also couldn’t get to the playoffs and disrupted the development of several players in the process, so what’s your point? Dude, I’m starting to question your basketball knowledge. The team defense today is light years ahead of where it was in the late 80’s/early 90’s. The individual D was tougher due to handchecking, but there were no zones, no box-and-1’s, no mandatory individual dvd viewings of your match-up assignment, etc… If we’re playing with NBA refs I take Jordan 'cause he’ll get the call everytime. If we’re playing with refs who don’t know anything other than honest officiating I’m taking Bryant. More moves, better shooter, better handle, better vision. Jordan is still the best of all-time, but Bryant is the best offensive player in league history, and it’s not even close.[/quote]

my point is that only in todays soft league jordan was able to score 50 points at the age of 40… a 40 year old would have never scored 50 points in the 80/90’s… btw whats the point of viewing the teams dvd if your not able to even breath on your opponent?? were not talking about who is the best offensive player of alltime, that answer is so easy that im starting to question your basketball knowledge. Its wilt and its not even close. The best in m.j.

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Did you really just say Wilt is the best offensive player of all-time? He was 7’2" playing against 6’7" opponents with no shot clock and no 3 seconds. He couldn’t shoot a free throw or anything outside of 8 feet. There was also only 12 or so teams in his time, so he played the same little guys night-in andnight-out. He couldn’t even play in todays game. You should stick to making dumbass predictions and I’ll stick to understanding basketball. Buh-bye now.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Did you really just say Wilt is the best offensive player of all-time? He was 7’2" playing against 6’7" opponents with no shot clock and no 3 seconds. He couldn’t shoot a free throw or anything outside of 8 feet. There was also only 12 or so teams in his time, so he played the same little guys night-in andnight-out. He couldn’t even play in todays game. You should stick to making dumbass predictions and I’ll stick to understanding basketball. Buh-bye now.[/quote]

I never said that wilt would dominate the league today, all I said was that he was the best offensive player of alltime and thats a fact not an opinion.Were speaking facts right? It didn’t mater that he couldn’t shoot a free throw because all that counts is if you put the ball in the hoop. Btw… i never made any dumbass predictions… you were the one that said lakers in 5 over the suns and lakers in 5 over the celtics… thats kind of dumb right there… good day,sir.

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Did you really just say Wilt is the best offensive player of all-time? He was 7’2" playing against 6’7" opponents with no shot clock and no 3 seconds. He couldn’t shoot a free throw or anything outside of 8 feet. There was also only 12 or so teams in his time, so he played the same little guys night-in andnight-out. He couldn’t even play in todays game. You should stick to making dumbass predictions and I’ll stick to understanding basketball. Buh-bye now.[/quote]

I never said that wilt would dominate the league today, all I said was that he was the best offensive player of alltime and thats a fact not an opinion.Were speaking facts right? It didn’t mater that he couldn’t shoot a free throw because all that counts is if you put the ball in the hoop. Btw… i never made any dumbass predictions… you were the one that said lakers in 5 over the suns and lakers in 5 over the celtics… thats kind of dumb right there… good day,sir.
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Stats don’t equal fact. Wilt is not the best offensive player in NBA history. That is a fact. Didn’t you predict the Nuggest would win the chip? Or the Magic would beat the C’s? The Lakers haven’t even played the C’s yet. I also said the Lakers/Suns could go 6. If you want me to go back and quote your posts I will. Good day to you.

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I think part of the unspoken reign of Jordan’s GOAT status is the way things worked out with his first retirement, then coming back for another 3 peat. It’s sort of like, ya he has 6 rings but c’mon he SHOULD have 8 right?

I’m not saying that it’s right or wrong but clearly it is part of his ‘aura’ if you will; that Jordan giveth titles, and Jordan taketh away by going to fuck around with a baseball bat for 2 years.

It just feels like everyone else is fighting for that #2 spot argument, which Kobe looks to be on his way to inclusion for(I don’t even know that he needs to win a 5th title, leading his team to deep playoff runs while he finishes padding his career stats should be enough at this point).

Until someone does what Russell did, but in the modern era, I don’t know how you touch Jordan’s air of invincibility.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:
Kobe is my fav player but come on man… He is not even close to jordan. Jordan’s career numbers are better than kobes in every single category. He also has 6 rings to kobe’s 4. Nobody is dissing kobe by not picking him over jordan… Jordan is just better. The numbers don’t lie. Defense and offense.[/quote]

Dude, I wouldn’t say he’s “not even close”. And we’re talking about a man who has another 5 plus years to his career. His career is not over. Jordan’s is. Let’s see where Kobe is at 6 to 8 years from now. But to say he’s “not even close” is a little dramatic and untrue.[/quote]

ok he’s close but come on, He’s not gonna catch him up. People seem to forget how great jordan was because they don’t get to see him play all the time like they do kobe. Kobe is the second greatest and thats not a bad title. [/quote]

Jordan’s numbers are better for a lot of reasons. Kobe came straight from highschool to a playoff team, Jordan spent 3 years under Dean Smith into a shit situation where he was the man. Jordan never played with another 30pt scorer, Kobe did.

Jordan had the benefit of basically being the teams 1-5, and in doing so had the ball in his hands 90+% of the time. As soon as Jackson instituted the triangle, his numbers dropped pretty significantly. Kobe’s played in the triangle for basicaly 4/5th’s of his career. Think about that.

As ridiculous as his numbers have been, they could’ve been better in a more ball dominant situation. Put Bryant on the Cavs and he averages 40. Jordan had to deal with hand checking, but Bryant has to face zones, something Jordan never did.

The games players are bigger/stronger/faster, and the teams defensive scouting is light years ahead of where it was in Jordans youth, yet Bryant still averaged 30+. Jordan is the greatest player of all-time, no question. But, to say that he and Bryant are way off is just flat out wrong.

Phil Jackson has said repeatedly that Bryant is not only the better scorer of the two, but that he has better basketball skills as well. He’s not the only player/ex-player/coach to make that statement. It’s not that far fetched to believe Bryant could go down as the best player ever.[/quote]

Well I don’t think anyone will commend MJ as the most technically gifted player in the history game but he still did the crazy stuff he did to be crowned GOAT.

When you start talking about skills and stuff like that its a thin bridge you’re crossing because a) not only is it going to be about individual perception but more importantly b) there were other players in NBA history who you can argue were more skilled than Kobe himself; like Magic, Oscar Robertson, the Globetrotters lol.

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Did you really just say Wilt is the best offensive player of all-time? He was 7’2" playing against 6’7" opponents with no shot clock and no 3 seconds. He couldn’t shoot a free throw or anything outside of 8 feet.

There was also only 12 or so teams in his time, so he played the same little guys night-in andnight-out. He couldn’t even play in todays game. You should stick to making dumbass predictions and I’ll stick to understanding basketball. Buh-bye now.[/quote]

I never said that wilt would dominate the league today, all I said was that he was the best offensive player of alltime and thats a fact not an opinion.Were speaking facts right? It didn’t mater that he couldn’t shoot a free throw because all that counts is if you put the ball in the hoop.

Btw… i never made any dumbass predictions… you were the one that said lakers in 5 over the suns and lakers in 5 over the celtics… thats kind of dumb right there… good day,sir.
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Honestly flash is right. I mean imagine the dunkfest Shaq would have playing in that era.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:
Kobe is my fav player but come on man… He is not even close to jordan. Jordan’s career numbers are better than kobes in every single category. He also has 6 rings to kobe’s 4. Nobody is dissing kobe by not picking him over jordan… Jordan is just better. The numbers don’t lie. Defense and offense.[/quote]

Dude, I wouldn’t say he’s “not even close”. And we’re talking about a man who has another 5 plus years to his career. His career is not over. Jordan’s is. Let’s see where Kobe is at 6 to 8 years from now. But to say he’s “not even close” is a little dramatic and untrue.[/quote]

ok he’s close but come on, He’s not gonna catch him up. People seem to forget how great jordan was because they don’t get to see him play all the time like they do kobe. Kobe is the second greatest and thats not a bad title. [/quote]

Jordan’s numbers are better for a lot of reasons. Kobe came straight from highschool to a playoff team, Jordan spent 3 years under Dean Smith into a shit situation where he was the man. Jordan never played with another 30pt scorer, Kobe did.

Jordan had the benefit of basically being the teams 1-5, and in doing so had the ball in his hands 90+% of the time. As soon as Jackson instituted the triangle, his numbers dropped pretty significantly. Kobe’s played in the triangle for basicaly 4/5th’s of his career. Think about that.

As ridiculous as his numbers have been, they could’ve been better in a more ball dominant situation. Put Bryant on the Cavs and he averages 40. Jordan had to deal with hand checking, but Bryant has to face zones, something Jordan never did. The games players are bigger/stronger/faster, and the teams defensive scouting is light years ahead of where it was in Jordans youth, yet Bryant still averaged 30+.

Jordan is the greatest player of all-time, no question. But, to say that he and Bryant are way off is just flat out wrong. Phil Jackson has said repeatedly that Bryant is not only the better scorer of the two, but that he has better basketball skills as well. He’s not the only player/ex-player/coach to make that statement. It’s not that far fetched to believe Bryant could go down as the best player ever.[/quote]

so you would rather have Kobe bryant on your team than MJ?? he’s the closest to m.j but hes not as good as him. Todays game is all about entertainment… you get a bunch of fouls and can’t really guard anyone anymore… defense sucks!! I mean m.j scored 50 points at 40! wtf!! a 40 year old shouldn’t be scoring 50 points. M.j would of dominated in todays league. It wouldn’t even be close. [/quote]

He also couldn’t get to the playoffs and disrupted the development of several players in the process, so what’s your point? Dude, I’m starting to question your basketball knowledge. The team defense today is light years ahead of where it was in the late 80’s/early 90’s.

The individual D was tougher due to handchecking, but there were no zones, no box-and-1’s, no mandatory individual dvd viewings of your match-up assignment, etc… If we’re playing with NBA refs I take Jordan 'cause he’ll get the call everytime. If we’re playing with refs who don’t know anything other than honest officiating I’m taking Bryant.

More moves, better shooter, better handle, better vision. Jordan is still the best of all-time, but Bryant is the best offensive player in league history, and it’s not even close.[/quote]
Enough with the questioning your knowledge shit you do this in every fucking thread. You can make a point without being a dick.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Oh yeah, I went to happy hour at a strip club yesterday with a buddy and ran into Antonio McDyess and Maurice Evans. I talked to 'em for a bit and they were both pretty cool.[/quote]

Antonio McDyess and Maurice Evans? Aren’t those two ancient Gs like 40 or something? You shoulda asked em what they told their wives they were doing that night…

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Technically Ali is the “greatest” but MJ may be the “greatest basketball player.”

o_O yes im bored

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]nomorewar wrote:
Kobe is my fav player but come on man… He is not even close to jordan. Jordan’s career numbers are better than kobes in every single category. He also has 6 rings to kobe’s 4. Nobody is dissing kobe by not picking him over jordan… Jordan is just better. The numbers don’t lie. Defense and offense.[/quote]

Dude, I wouldn’t say he’s “not even close”. And we’re talking about a man who has another 5 plus years to his career. His career is not over. Jordan’s is. Let’s see where Kobe is at 6 to 8 years from now. But to say he’s “not even close” is a little dramatic and untrue.[/quote]

ok he’s close but come on, He’s not gonna catch him up. People seem to forget how great jordan was because they don’t get to see him play all the time like they do kobe. Kobe is the second greatest and thats not a bad title. [/quote]

Jordan’s numbers are better for a lot of reasons. Kobe came straight from highschool to a playoff team, Jordan spent 3 years under Dean Smith into a shit situation where he was the man. Jordan never played with another 30pt scorer, Kobe did.

Jordan had the benefit of basically being the teams 1-5, and in doing so had the ball in his hands 90+% of the time. As soon as Jackson instituted the triangle, his numbers dropped pretty significantly. Kobe’s played in the triangle for basicaly 4/5th’s of his career. Think about that.

As ridiculous as his numbers have been, they could’ve been better in a more ball dominant situation. Put Bryant on the Cavs and he averages 40. Jordan had to deal with hand checking, but Bryant has to face zones, something Jordan never did. The games players are bigger/stronger/faster, and the teams defensive scouting is light years ahead of where it was in Jordans youth, yet Bryant still averaged 30+.

Jordan is the greatest player of all-time, no question. But, to say that he and Bryant are way off is just flat out wrong. Phil Jackson has said repeatedly that Bryant is not only the better scorer of the two, but that he has better basketball skills as well. He’s not the only player/ex-player/coach to make that statement. It’s not that far fetched to believe Bryant could go down as the best player ever.[/quote]

Well I don’t think anyone will commend MJ as the most technically gifted player in the history game but he still did the crazy stuff he did to be crowned GOAT.

When you start talking about skills and stuff like that its a thin bridge you’re crossing because a) not only is it going to be about individual perception but more importantly b) there were other players in NBA history who you can argue were more skilled than Kobe himself; like Magic, Oscar Robertson, the Globetrotters lol.[/quote]

WHAT? The globetrotters? Magic? The Big O? The globetrotters play a fixed game, Robertson couldn’t play in todays game and Magic was a 6’9" pg who couldn’t shoot or defend. You could probably add up every globetrotter that’s ever played mixed in with Robertson and Magic and they still wouldn’t have the skill set of a Bryant or Jordan. I don’t know how you wrote that with a straight face?

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Oh yeah, I went to happy hour at a strip club yesterday with a buddy and ran into Antonio McDyess and Maurice Evans. I talked to 'em for a bit and they were both pretty cool.[/quote]

Antonio McDyess and Maurice Evans? Aren’t those two ancient Gs like 40 or something? You shoulda asked em what they told their wives they were doing that night…[/quote]

Haha, they looked a little surprised that I recognized 'em and I said something like “Y’all don’t need to be worried man, I’m not a reporter”. They both laughed, gave me dap and I let 'em get back to titties.

Edit: I was surprised at how thin both were. Not lean, but thin. Evans looks pretty yolked for a ball player on tv but he’s pretty thin in person. McDyess is a damn stringbean, but he has giant calves. I don’t just mean proportionatelly, they’re just big.

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Pete Maravich, O and Magic were more skilled than Bryant. I think you’re underestimating how great these guys were. The Globetrotters thing was a joke but it fit into the notion of a “skilled basketball player.” What does that mean? Because, there are/have been better shooters than Bryant, better defenders than Bryant, etc.

If you mean skilled as in a culmination of these things in a single individual player than yeah Kobe and MJ stand alone. But they also both played a position that allowed them to be the main focus. Like you mentioned don’t you think playing PG at 6’9 and doing the stuff Magic did, the triple double average O regardless of era doesn’t qualify for being skilled in the elite?

If we’re just taking about Magic and Kobe here, Kobe is a better scorer and defender but Magic had better vision and quickness. Both utilized their respective strengths to ultimately win championships.

On a side note, tts true what you say about Kobe getting no love. I remember once hearing some commentators discuss who the greatest Lakers were and where Kobe fit into that list. I think it was PTI or some other ESPN show maybe around the time Kobe had his 81 point explosion.

I vaguely remember one of the commentators saying Kobe wasn’t even in the Top 5 greatest Lakers of all-time. Don’t remember it too well, could of been on Wilt, I dunno. Either way regardless if it was ever said or not you can make the case that Kobe is outside top 5 if you wanted to (I personally think hes still behind Magic and Kareem but the top 5).

“Greatest” encompasses more than stats and basketball ability. Its the intangible off the court stuff, the social environment around the game and specific ‘moments’ that we all remember. Saying that, Larry-Bird and the 90s Showtime was something truly great in NBA history that surpasses anything today.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Pete Maravich, O and Magic were more skilled than Bryant. I think you’re underestimating how great these guys were. The Globetrotters thing was a joke but it fit into the notion of a “skilled basketball player.” What does that mean? Because, there are/have been better shooters than Bryant, better defenders than Bryant, etc.

If you mean skilled as in a culmination of these things in a single individual player than yeah Kobe and MJ stand alone. But they also both played a position that allowed them to be the main focus. Like you mentioned don’t you think playing PG at 6’9 and doing the stuff Magic did, the triple double average O regardless of era doesn’t qualify for being skilled in the elite?

If we’re just taking about Magic and Kobe here, Kobe is a better scorer and defender but Magic had better vision and quickness. Both utilized their respective strengths to ultimately win championships.

On a side note, tts true what you say about Kobe getting no love. I remember once hearing some commentators discuss who the greatest Lakers were and where Kobe fit into that list. I think it was PTI or some other ESPN show maybe around the time Kobe had his 81 point explosion.

I vaguely remember one of the commentators saying Kobe wasn’t even in the Top 5 greatest Lakers of all-time. Don’t remember it too well, could of been on Wilt, I dunno. Either way regardless if it was ever said or not you can make the case that Kobe is outside top 5 if you wanted to (I personally think hes still behind Magic and Kareem but the top 5).

“Greatest” encompasses more than stats and basketball ability. Its the intangible off the court stuff, the social environment around the game and specific ‘moments’ that we all remember. Saying that, Larry-Bird and the 90s Showtime was something truly great in NBA history that surpasses anything today.[/quote]

You are out of your fucking mind if you think Magic was quicker than Kobe Bryant. You are also out of your mind if you honestly believe that Magic, Robertson or Maravich were even close to as skilled as Bryant, let alone more skilled. That you’re trying to argue this shows how little you know about ball, how biased you are or both. I can’t even believe what I’m reading.

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So how about the offense in this game right now, Phoenix might hit mid 50’s in the first half and still be down 8-10.