[quote]drewh wrote:
no excuses bad calls have gone both ways.[/quote]
Even in all your trollious glory you can’t compare the calls between the teams. The Cet’s have seen some bad calls. The Lakers lost the game due to officiating. Big difference.[/quote]
did you watch game 1. And baby and perk were in foul trouble in game 2. The cockriding of kobe from you has reached a new level and made you delusional. [/quote]
Because Perkins and Davis are as inportant to their teams chances as Bryant is to his… Oh that’s right, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Buh-bye now.[/quote]
Yeah the guard Bynum and Gasol, but they aren’t important are they. PP and Ray game 1? Dumb ass
Red, there’s no reason Kobe can’t do both. It’s entirely possible he gets 30+, 7+, & 7+ with a couple of steals and 1-2 blocks. That’s pretty much what he’s done all post season, and what he did in game 1. People need to realize that even with being saddled with foul trouble and playing inconsistent minutes he still put up 21 on 45% shooting.
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I don’t disagree, we all know Kobe is capable, I’m just not predicting that huge of a night. I think the Celtics gameplan revolves around letting Gasol and Bynum(and Odom, who has yet to deliver) keep ‘beating’ them while they hope for some better games from Perkins and Garnett; and I don’t see Kobe forcing the game onto himself unless he absolutely needs to.
That said, I’ll be right here to eat up some crow if the trees don’t take their performance on the road and Kobe shoulders that load for some monster 35/7/8 night while staying on Rondo all night on defense.
I am still on my earlier prediction of Boston taking 2/3 at home, and the Lakers then winning 6/7 for the title, obviously Kobe has to be there and be big for this to happen so I don’t want to downplay his role, he is still the biggest factor in every game in this series.
I’m with Whiteflash from the perspective that if you have your top star player in foul trouble, it significantly affects your team’s chances. He’s either riding the pine too much or not being aggressive when he’s in the game.
Ray Allen and Glen Davis are not on Kobe’s level. It’s a ridiculous argument. It’s more comparable to Lamar Odom and Ron Artest who were also saddled with 5 fouls.
Whiteflash, why do you even bother answering Drew’s posts anymore on this thread? I havent seen one thoughtful or insightful post yet that’s added anything of value here.
I cant think of a NBA Finals game where one teams superstar was put in such foul trouble… Can anyone else here think of a time where a teams superstar was saddled with fouls (and a couple of BS ones at that but thats part of the game some times) like Kobe was in game 2? I dont ever remember seeing that happen before?
There has been some serious bullshit officiating going on in this series. Hopefully the refs in Boston will let these guys play in game three so we can see the better team win not the team with the least amount of foul trouble.
there are a lot of people who think during the lakers 3-peat that the Refs basically gave the Lakers the victory of Sacramento. But when it comes to this series everyone is discrediting the fact that the NBA could possibly want to extend this series by hitting Kobe with a ton of fouls and keeping him on the bench. If you believe one how could you not possibly believe the other?
I’m not saying that there WAS a conspiracy to get the series even but its POSSIBLE because we know the facts that games have been fixed in the past… Like I said before I hope the refs keep the whistles out of their mouths for most of the night and let the players decide who wins game 3 cause thats definitely not what happened in the first two games.
You can’t really argue that Kobe/Odom is the same as Perkins/Davis. I might give you Ray Allen+KG in game 1, but Davis whole purpose is coming off the bench to give the C’s energy and hustle(which he did AMAZINGLY in game 2, his performance gets no cred but he was huge even if his numbers don’t look gaudy)… and fouls.
The refs are bad right now, and they’re bad for both teams, but Kobe means more to his team. Wallace/Davis/KG/Perkins is 20 fouls to use on the Lakers bigs, Kobe is 5 fouls with 0 replacement on that bench.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Also to add on to this ref discussion…
there are a lot of people who think during the lakers 3-peat that the Refs basically gave the Lakers the victory of Sacramento. But when it comes to this series everyone is discrediting the fact that the NBA could possibly want to extend this series by hitting Kobe with a ton of fouls and keeping him on the bench. If you believe one how could you not possibly believe the other?
I’m not saying that there WAS a conspiracy to get the series even but its POSSIBLE because we know the facts that games have been fixed in the past… Like I said before I hope the refs keep the whistles out of their mouths for most of the night and let the players decide who wins game 3 cause thats definitely not what happened in the first two games.
.greg.[/quote]
In response to the NBA wanting to extend the series thing, I could buy that, except I think the NBA also wants to sell Kobe as the lone true star in this series(Boston has the big 3/4 and they’re all solid/good players, but Kobe is the fucking stud here). I think this is just the officials trying too hard to call ‘perfect’ and it’s leading to inconsistencies in the post and on screens. Post officiating is always hard to call, I could live with some back and forth down there, but the amount of illegal screens and bumps and vice versa no calls is truly mind boggling. There was what, 70 free throws attempted in game 2? That’s just absurd.
[quote]randman wrote:
I’m with Whiteflash from the perspective that if you have your top star player in foul trouble, it significantly affects your team’s chances. He’s either riding the pine too much or not being aggressive when he’s in the game.
Ray Allen and Glen Davis are not on Kobe’s level. It’s a ridiculous argument. It’s more comparable to Lamar Odom and Ron Artest who were also saddled with 5 fouls.
Whiteflash, why do you even bother answering Drew’s posts anymore on this thread? I havent seen one thoughtful or insightful post yet that’s added anything of value here. [/quote]
Ray is far far more important than Ron or Lamar.
[quote]randman wrote:
I’m with Whiteflash from the perspective that if you have your top star player in foul trouble, it significantly affects your team’s chances. He’s either riding the pine too much or not being aggressive when he’s in the game.
Ray Allen and Glen Davis are not on Kobe’s level. It’s a ridiculous argument. It’s more comparable to Lamar Odom and Ron Artest who were also saddled with 5 fouls.
Whiteflash, why do you even bother answering Drew’s posts anymore on this thread? I havent seen one thoughtful or insightful post yet that’s added anything of value here. [/quote]
Ray is far far more important than Ron or Lamar. [/quote]
bullshit. Lamar is the X factor for the Lakers. Every analyst says this. When he plays well, the Lakers almost always win. Don’t be fooled just cuz he comes off the bench. Any other team he would be starting.
Ray Allen is one of four Celtics that are of relative equal value where two of the four need to step up in a game for the Cs to win. The Allen - Lamar comparison is quite close and appropriate in fact. So your statement that Ray is “far more important” could not be more off. It is an accurate comparison/value for each team. At least ur consistent of being off in any analysis u try to give.
[quote]drewh wrote:
And adding insight all you’be done is ride the Kobe train and tell everyone how Lebron sucks.[/quote]
actually that’s not true at all. Anyone whose read all of my posts on here would concur. Are we feeling a little defensive drewh? Coming out with baseless claims might make u feel better but ur still considered the biggest troll on this thread by many.
[quote]drewh wrote:
And adding insight all you’be done is ride the Kobe train and tell everyone how Lebron sucks.[/quote]
actually that’s not true at all. Anyone whose read all of my posts on here would concur. Are we feeling a little defensive drewh? Coming out with baseless claims might make u feel better but ur still considered the biggest troll on this thread by many. [/quote]
You and flash is hardly “many”.
After some bogus calls [going both ways, relax fellas] early on the refs are looking like they’re loosening up the whistles. God, Rondo’s jumper is BROKE. He also looks tired. The Lakers are playing good team D and everyone is contributing. Garnett looks tired too. He had an early surge of adrenaline but it looked like his legs just gave out on him. And, to be fair I think that Rondo foul on the Bryant jumper is a foul in the regular season, a no-call in the Finals. I just wish the refs would let these dudes play.
Odom is FINALLY contributing to this series. Didn’t wanna say anything but he was starting to worry me. Back in '08 he really frustrated me with his complete lack of an impact.
Greg, I’ve been watching ball a long time and there has NEVER been a Finals game where the star player was saddled with that level of foul trouble, that I can remember. I honestly can’t think of any playoff game where the marquee player has had to sit like that.