[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
You can’t polish shit.[/quote]
Actually, you can polish shit, the Mythbusters proved so. But still, it’s just a round ball of shiny poo, so it’s not all that great.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]theuofh wrote:
triathalon don’t require athletic abilities either[/quote]
what? The iron man triathlon (2.4 mile swim, 112 mile bike ride and a 26.2 mile run) doesnt require athletic abilities?!?
you’re lying to yourself if you think that doesnt take “athletic ability”[/quote]
I’m making the distinction between the guys that can lift big weights or do some endurance thing, and the guys that can swing a bat, golf club, drain 3 pointers, put on ice skates and cruise around at 30mph and stop on a dime, jump off a high dive and do 10 twists and 3 flips, sprint up to a bar and jump 10 feet over it and other athletic activities that require higher degrees of coordination.
I consider them all athletic activities, but I wanted to highlight the distinction, which was brought up.
Ok I gotcha. I thought you were actually saying running an iron man didn’t take athletic ability lol. All of that stuff you mentioned does it’s just different yes of athleticism that are needed depending on what you’re trying to do
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I’m sure an NBA point guard, NFL wide receiver, college wrestler, or high level gymnast would shine at crossfit. But they have better things to do.
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what was what I was saying earlier. A lot of these “crossfit athletes” couldnt/didnt make it professionally in their sport (wrestling, gymnastics, football or whatever) and now they do crossfit.
Not bagging on crossfit because I like to do some of their workouts for my conditioning but the people who drink the crossfit Kool Aid and thing its the be all end all of fitness are what give it a bad rap IMO[/quote]
That’s what I was getting at. It’s great to be in shape, but many people are in shape enough to help their health. Athletics is about high end performance.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]theuofh wrote:
triathalon don’t require athletic abilities either[/quote]
what? The iron man triathlon (2.4 mile swim, 112 mile bike ride and a 26.2 mile run) doesnt require athletic abilities?!?
you’re lying to yourself if you think that doesnt take “athletic ability”[/quote]
I’m making the distinction between the guys that can lift big weights or do some endurance thing, and the guys that can swing a bat, golf club, drain 3 pointers, put on ice skates and cruise around at 30mph and stop on a dime, jump off a high dive and do 10 twists and 3 flips, sprint up to a bar and jump 10 feet over it and other athletic activities that require higher degrees of coordination.
I consider them all athletic activities, but I wanted to highlight the distinction, which was brought up. [/quote]
You’re also correct. I worked on the ART treatment staff on six Ironman races and saw the Kool Aid drinking there. It’s great if you can do this event and finish, but if you’re barely making the cut off you’re in a different league than the top finishers, the competitive guys and gals.
That’s high end athletic ability. If you’re just enduring this you’ve trained well and accomplished something but you’re no fitter than a whole host of people. Some of my competitor friends were amazed that I had a lower resting heart rate than they did and they did Ironman races.
I did spinervals training videos for the bike and lifted. My resting pulse rate was 45 at 36 years of age.
My point is fitness is different than athletic ability. Competition shows how athletic you are, training gets you fit.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I’m sure an NBA point guard, NFL wide receiver, college wrestler, or high level gymnast would shine at crossfit. But they have better things to do.
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what was what I was saying earlier. A lot of these “crossfit athletes” couldnt/didnt make it professionally in their sport (wrestling, gymnastics, football or whatever) and now they do crossfit.
Not bagging on crossfit because I like to do some of their workouts for my conditioning but the people who drink the crossfit Kool Aid and thing its the be all end all of fitness are what give it a bad rap IMO[/quote]
That’s what I was getting at. It’s great to be in shape, but many people are in shape enough to help their health. Athletics is about high end performance.[/quote]
Yeah we are definitely agreeing here on this point
Would someone please post a video link that works?
^^That video link was for a live feed that was on this weekend. I’m pretty sure it doesnt work anymore cause the event/stream is over
It was pretty awesome stuff to be honest. Check around for a xfit site. I bet you could find some video of events there or on youtube?
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]ShaneM686 wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]ryanjm wrote:
^true. Many of the movements require technical skill, like the ring handstand pushups and olympic lifts. But there isn’t any other competition for simply “fitness” other than crossfit, so until then I think it’s a pretty fair statement. At the worst it’s just blatant self-promotion, which isn’t the worst sin in the world.[/quote]
The same was said at the Ironman world championships I worked out. Fittest is a pretty stupid term. You’re either fit enough, or not fit. It doesn’t take much “fitness” to be healthier. Some cardio, some weights,and some stretching. The average housewife can get fit rather easily.
Now to excel at soemehing is different. That is what makes an athlete of some type.[/quote]
Problem with that is it is pretty 1 dimensional.
You’re an endurance athlete… it is more of a specialization. A crossfit athlete encompasses a lot more as shown by these games and their stats.[/quote]
I never said I was an endurance athlete, I said that at the Ironman world championships they were talking about the world’s fittest athletes. I was a doctor on the medical staff there four years. My name is Tom Deebel,. I answer questions over at Elite Fitness for Dave Tate.
And I personally think crossfit is a competition for guys who are in great shape but not very athletic. There are already all around athletes with strength, endurance,and flexibility. We call them wrestlers.
But wrestling takes athletic ability, not just certain physical abilities. You mentioned Olympic Decathlon. Now that’s all around. How about the heptathlon? Same thing.
I’m sure an NBA point guard, NFL wide receiver, college wrestler, or high level gymnast would shine at crossfit. But they have better things to do.
I just don’t think it’s that special to be in shape.I’d rather pursue great strength while keeping in good enough shape heart wise to protect my health and flexibility wise to protect my joints. Others might choose running, or triathlon. Or even this. I just don’t think it’s a big deal.
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I’m sure all of those people you named would do well… college level wrestlers… nba point guard, nfl wide receiver, college level gymnast… but you realized what you just did right?
You named some of the extremely all-around athletic talents in the WORLD. The fact that these guys would excel at the games means that it is a true test of all round athletic ability. The events do take a certain amount of athletic ability… muscle ups(body coordination), olympic lifts(technical lifts), so on and so forth. It is a competition which punishes weaknesses. Can’t move 400lbs off the ground? You lose. Can’t do 40 pull ups in a row? you lose. Can’t run a 5k in 20 mins? you lose. Can’t squat snatch 135lbs for reps fast? you lose.
For what they define as all-round fitness that punishes weakness in any area… i think this test is pretty good. That is why I agree… being fit enough to conquer any task handed you… this can’t be specialized… you have to be able to handle anything thrown at you.
And when has that ever happened to anyone?
I think its a interesting event and these guys are badass, but fitest human alive?? This is bullshit.
I dont know from where came the idea that all sports are specialized and crossfit is “general fitness”… These guys are specialized in doing crossfit stuff, so even high level athletes from other sports wouldnt be able to perform like this if they enter crossfit games. Because they are less fit? No, because you can be strong, fast, conditioned but have never lerned O lifts, ring muscle ups, never used a rowing machine etc…
The events in the crossfit games are not previosly announced but they are always based in crossfit workouts elements. If the events were something like 225 bench press rep test, heavy sled push, vertical jump, max box squat and a mile run i bet that a lot athletes could beat the winners of the crossfit games. Its just matter of specificity.
I have a lot of respect by these guys who compete at this level, i’m just against the notion that you could measure fitness as a whole and not specific to a sport or activity. This competition may find the fittest crossfiter, not the fittest person alive.
meh