yea 64 would def be taking it a little over the top…
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Yea I was not speaking about the # of teams more of an established system like in college basketball. The model for this is already out there. With super conferences a north/south or east/west, 10 game season, conference championship then round robin playoff. [/quote]
I have thought about doing 16 teams, and the two teams that make it in the finals plays for the title, and the rest gets a BCS type bowl game.
To be honest, I doubt a playoff system will happen, not for many many years.
^ I know but I can dream damnit. Sigh, I can dream.
Playoff would be sweet. Here’s how you do it:
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To remain eligible for the national championship, teams have to join 12-member conferences, each of which must feature two 6-team divisions.
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To remain eligible for the national championship, teams cannot play a game against a FCS, DII, or DIII school.
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Establish 8 power conferences (SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 10, ACC, Big East, Conference USA, Mountain West).
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11-game regular seasons consisting of 8 conference games (5 division games, plus 3 games from the other division), 2 interconference games, and 1 open date to schedule whomever. The interconference games would be games in which, during one weekend, every team in one conference would play every other team in another conference. For example, Week 2 would be Pac-10 vs. SEC in which USC would play Alabama, Oregon would play Georgia, and so on. The following week, the Pac-10 would match up with the Big 10. The interconference matchups would rotate from year to year. These would give people a sense of how the conferences compare to one another and would make rankings more accurate.
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The 12th game of the season is a conference championship.
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Have a 16-team playoff. 8 spots go to the conference champions. The remaining 8 seeds go to the highest remaining teams in rankings similar to the BCS. The rankings would be based on wins, losses, margin of victory, strength of schedule, as well as human polling. Teams not in the top 8 would either have to win their conference to guarantee a spot, our would have to hope for a little help from other teams to get in.
Note that under this system, the eventual champion would most likely play a total of 16 games: 11 regular season, 1 CCG, and 4 playoff games. This is compared to 13 games under the current format. There is plenty of time between finals and the start of the second semester for these games to take place, since schools typically have roughly a month off between Dec. 15 and January 15.
Teams who do not make the playoffs would be free to go to (meaningless) bowl games, not unlike the NIT in basketball.
The 8 opening round games can be played at the stadiums of the higher ranked seeds in the games. The 4 quarterfinal games can be played at the Orange, Rose, Fiesta, and Sugar Bowls. The 2 semifinal and the championship game can be played at one of those four sites, not unlike the way the Final Four and Championship in basketball are both played at the same place. This would minimize travel for the victors.
Did I miss anything?
[quote]Spike9726 wrote:
You guys have been worthy adversaries for some time. Hate that you are leaving the conference. Football just seems to be having a down year but whatever happened to your baseball team? Good luck as an independent.
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Yeah, I always looked forward to TCU games. I don’t know what happened to our baseball team, I really don’t. I haven’t actually been at BYU for some time but I’m really excited to start going nuts again- When I was there they never lost a home game. We had two or three years of pretty good-ness, then… last year and this year man, we just have taken some hits and it’s showing.
Baseball though… I think it’s because every baseball player I knew at BYU was a huge douche and I actually got into a fight with one. Hopefully we have different people on the team now.
A few minor tweakages:
Smaller conferences. My gripe with the 12 team conferences is that not every good team plays every other good team. That’s why I chuckle a bit when everyone talks about how wonderful the SEC is. Yes, they have more elite teams than anyone else, but they don’t all play each other every year.
No power conferences. If necessary limit the criteria for D1.
More teams in the playoffs. I’d trade your conference championship for an extra round of playoffs.
Otherwise I think we are on the same page. I want to capture a bit of the magic that college baseball and basketball have with teams you never heard of going deep into the playoffs, whereas in football you have multiple teams in the top 25 every year and often in prestigious bowls purely on name. Good night T-Nation!
[quote]Spike9726 wrote:
A few minor tweakages:
Smaller conferences. My gripe with the 12 team conferences is that not every good team plays every other good team. That’s why I chuckle a bit when everyone talks about how wonderful the SEC is. Yes, they have more elite teams than anyone else, but they don’t all play each other every year.
No power conferences. If necessary limit the criteria for D1.
More teams in the playoffs. I’d trade your conference championship for an extra round of playoffs.
Otherwise I think we are on the same page. I want to capture a bit of the magic that college baseball and basketball have with teams you never heard of going deep into the playoffs, whereas in football you have multiple teams in the top 25 every year and often in prestigious bowls purely on name. Good night T-Nation![/quote]
Regarding the power conferences, I have no problem with what you’re saying. The difference between your proposal and what I was saying is that you would lose maybe 15 to 20 crappy teams. Right now there are ~120 teams, and eight 12-team conferences would result in 96 teams in Division 1-A. I am okay with this.
Regarding your other point about 12-team conferences, I tend to agree but I just think that ship has sailed. Soon you will have 12-team conferences in the ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, and Conference USA. Of the 8 conferences I foresee, only the Big 12, Big East, MWC don’t have 12 teams. Ten-team conferences, provided they played a round-robin schedule, would be sweet and would likely obviate the need for a CCG. But I just don’t see it happening.
I think the interconference matchups would give us a bit of what you see in college basketball. I got the idea watching the ACC-Big Ten challenge tourney one night. I think it would be rad. “Conference mashup weekend” would be sweet. Conferences could have trophies that they win or lose depending on how their conference fares against another conference. It would be awesome.
[quote]eic wrote:
[quote]Spike9726 wrote:
A few minor tweakages:
Smaller conferences. My gripe with the 12 team conferences is that not every good team plays every other good team. That’s why I chuckle a bit when everyone talks about how wonderful the SEC is. Yes, they have more elite teams than anyone else, but they don’t all play each other every year.
No power conferences. If necessary limit the criteria for D1.
More teams in the playoffs. I’d trade your conference championship for an extra round of playoffs.
Otherwise I think we are on the same page. I want to capture a bit of the magic that college baseball and basketball have with teams you never heard of going deep into the playoffs, whereas in football you have multiple teams in the top 25 every year and often in prestigious bowls purely on name. Good night T-Nation![/quote]
Regarding the power conferences, I have no problem with what you’re saying. The difference between your proposal and what I was saying is that you would lose maybe 15 to 20 crappy teams. Right now there are ~120 teams, and eight 12-team conferences would result in 96 teams in Division 1-A. I am okay with this.
Regarding your other point about 12-team conferences, I tend to agree but I just think that ship has sailed. Soon you will have 12-team conferences in the ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, and Conference USA. Of the 8 conferences I foresee, only the Big 12, Big East, MWC don’t have 12 teams. Ten-team conferences, provided they played a round-robin schedule, would be sweet and would likely obviate the need for a CCG. But I just don’t see it happening.
I think the interconference matchups would give us a bit of what you see in college basketball. I got the idea watching the ACC-Big Ten challenge tourney one night. I think it would be rad. “Conference mashup weekend” would be sweet. Conferences could have trophies that they win or lose depending on how their conference fares against another conference. It would be awesome. [/quote]
I think your proposal is a good one, good points and good structure setup. Lets hope someone from the NCAA reads this post and passes it on.
But what bothers me is that a playoff system is very doable but yet it hasn’t happened.
^ Some how it comes down to money and tradition, again you have old fuckers who do not want to let go of the reins. College football has exploded since I was a kid, and as it continues to grow more and more people will be yelling for change. Just have to reach that tipping point, and a few years of well we really dont know who #1 is will help. EIC couldnt agree more, you have thought a little about this I see.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Some how it comes down to money and tradition, again you have old fuckers who do not want to let go of the reins. College football has exploded since I was a kid, and as it continues to grow more and more people will be yelling for change. Just have to reach that tipping point, and a few years of well we really dont know who #1 is will help. EIC couldnt agree more, you have thought a little about this I see. [/quote]
Thanks, DJHT. I just love the sport and think it could be improved. I have definitely spent a long time thinking about this. Even before all the conference re-alignment stuff, I had proposed alignments and they actually matched up pretty well with what happened.
Some examples:
I would pull Notre Dame into the Big Ten and kick Penn State to the Big East. I would fold the service academies—Army and Navy—into the Big East as well. BYU should go back to the MWC where it belongs.
I’m going on vacation. Hope everyone’s team wins (Except Utah, sorry Geebus). Godnight, and GO FROGS!!!
why not have rnd 1 byes for those teams that won their division championships?
Interesting article.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Interesting article. [/quote]
Very interesting.
Brutal shot he took at Texas at the beginning of the article. Ouch.
[quote]BradyZ wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
Interesting article. [/quote]
Very interesting.
Brutal shot he took at Texas at the beginning of the article. Ouch.[/quote]
Yea if the shoe fits, I bleed burnt orange. But it is not like I can hold my head up high for what they have shown on the field. Sometimes it is what it is.
I wish the weekend would get here, I am ready to watch some college football. 
Games that have my interests are:
No. 15 Arizona at No. 13 Stanford < Standford, Luck will win it for them.
No. 8 Oklahoma at Texas A&M < Upset?
No. 6 Alabama at No. 10 LSU <Bama, cuz LSU offense sucks.
No. 3 TCU at No. 5 Utah <Utah, I am picking the upset and home team.
No. 21 Baylor at No. 17 Oklahoma State <Baylor, by a field goal.
And of course my Huskers play ISU, who we lost to last year 9-7, due to 8 turnovers. ugh.
[quote]BradyZ wrote:
I wish the weekend would get here, I am ready to watch some college football.
Games that have my interests are:
No. 15 Arizona at No. 13 Stanford < Standford, Luck will win it for them.
No. 8 Oklahoma at Texas A&M < Upset?
No. 6 Alabama at No. 10 LSU <Bama, cuz LSU offense sucks.
No. 3 TCU at No. 5 Utah <Utah, I am picking the upset and home team.
No. 21 Baylor at No. 17 Oklahoma State <Baylor, by a field goal.
And of course my Huskers play ISU, who we lost to last year 9-7, due to 8 turnovers. ugh.[/quote]
30-0 Frogs so far. LSU has all of 3 against my 2nd favorite Bama. As much as a Baylor win would help the Frogs SOS they have not impressed me at all (they were totally dead in the water in Fort Worth) and are only ranked because they are in the Big 12. OU should pound the Aggets.
Hope your Huskers TCB and Stanford wins.
That’s 37-0 Frogs. WTH w/ Bama? I get up and LSU scores.
Hey, BYU didn’t suck!
BYU kicked butt!!! Hopefully you will get to a bowl game and whip some overrated Pac 10 team!