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[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:
Breaking News:

Lakers and Nuggets are talking trade.

Bynum for Melo straight up.

Knicks, twolves, and nuggets still talking as well[/quote]

That’s not breaking news, that’s called rumours.[/quote]

Unlikely, sure.

The nuggets are going to move melo its just a matter of where.

knicks or lakers either one would be awesome.
[/quote]

I’m sure many teams have inquired about Melo. GMs talk trade all the time. It’s just normal course of business.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:
Breaking News:

Lakers and Nuggets are talking trade.

Bynum for Melo straight up.

Knicks, twolves, and nuggets still talking as well[/quote]

That’s not breaking news, that’s called rumours.[/quote]

Unlikely, sure.

The nuggets are going to move melo its just a matter of where.

knicks or lakers either one would be awesome.
[/quote]

I’m sure many teams have inquired about Melo. GMs talk trade all the time. It’s just normal course of business.
[/quote]

I agree, in the ordinary course of business

However, I feel the nuggets have no choice but to move melo. They don’t want to let him walk away with nothing in return ala cleveland. He said he wont sign the extention with denver so they don’t really have a choice.

do you think he is gonna stay in denver?

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:
Breaking News:

Lakers and Nuggets are talking trade.

Bynum for Melo straight up.

Knicks, twolves, and nuggets still talking as well[/quote]

That’s retarded, they trade their only true center for another forward? We would have some epic Kobe-Melo battles for crunch time shots too.[/quote]

I think you are underestimating the impact of this deal on the Laker’s “unstoppableness”. Bynum is a true center but unfortunately has not given the team the rebounds and defensive stops so far that you would expect from someone his size. He’s still a difference maker for sure but so is freaking Melo dude.

I doubt this deal will happen but the possibility of it is tasty as a Laker’s fan. Pau moves back to Center, Melo at forward and Kobe at #2 shooting guard? That’s a crazy line-up man. Kobe has matured and shown he can share the ball. That’s not even a concern on my radar IF this happened.

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[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:
Breaking News:

Lakers and Nuggets are talking trade.

Bynum for Melo straight up.

Knicks, twolves, and nuggets still talking as well[/quote]

That’s not breaking news, that’s called rumours.[/quote]

Unlikely, sure.

The nuggets are going to move melo its just a matter of where.

knicks or lakers either one would be awesome.
[/quote]

I’m sure many teams have inquired about Melo. GMs talk trade all the time. It’s just normal course of business.
[/quote]

I agree, in the ordinary course of business

However, I feel the nuggets have no choice but to move melo. They don’t want to let him walk away with nothing in return ala cleveland. He said he wont sign the extention with denver so they don’t really have a choice.

do you think he is gonna stay in denver?
[/quote]

No of course not. But trade rumours pop up all the time once a player wants out. I have a hard time taking any of it seriously.

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:
Breaking News:

Lakers and Nuggets are talking trade.

Bynum for Melo straight up.

Knicks, twolves, and nuggets still talking as well[/quote]

That’s retarded, they trade their only true center for another forward? We would have some epic Kobe-Melo battles for crunch time shots too.[/quote]

I think you are underestimating the impact of this deal on the Laker’s “unstoppableness”. Bynum is a true center but unfortunately has not given the team the rebounds and defensive stops so far that you would expect from someone his size. He’s still a difference maker for sure but so is freaking Melo dude.

I doubt this deal will happen but the possibility of it is tasty as a Laker’s fan. Pau moves back to Center, Melo at forward and Kobe at #2 shooting guard? That’s a crazy line-up man. Kobe has matured and shown he can share the ball. That’s not even a concern on my radar IF this happened.[/quote]

I agree with this. Getting Melo would more than makeup in losing Bynum.

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It’s all rumor however. Jim Buss already turned it down and the only reason it was leaked because the Nuggets organization wanted it leaked to try and get leverage on NY since the Nets are out of it.

I think my post was more about a little unhappiness with Bynum’s production thus far than actually considering this deal. The fact of the matter is although the Lakers are still struggling on offense for stretches at a time there are still one of the most efficient offenses in the league.

It’s the defense that needs improving and Bynum is the anchor of the defense. Trading him away for Melo does not make the team better defensively so I was smoking crack for a second but it was fun to think about it for a split second.

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:
Breaking News:

Lakers and Nuggets are talking trade.

Bynum for Melo straight up.

Knicks, twolves, and nuggets still talking as well[/quote]

That’s retarded, they trade their only true center for another forward? We would have some epic Kobe-Melo battles for crunch time shots too.[/quote]

I think you are underestimating the impact of this deal on the Laker’s “unstoppableness”. Bynum is a true center but unfortunately has not given the team the rebounds and defensive stops so far that you would expect from someone his size. He’s still a difference maker for sure but so is freaking Melo dude.

I doubt this deal will happen but the possibility of it is tasty as a Laker’s fan. Pau moves back to Center, Melo at forward and Kobe at #2 shooting guard? That’s a crazy line-up man. Kobe has matured and shown he can share the ball. That’s not even a concern on my radar IF this happened.[/quote]

I’m just saying it would be hard to justify Kobe shooting 1-on-3 with an open Melo in the corner who has proven to be ice cold in the clutch himself. I’m not saying they wouldn’t be good… they WOULD… just that the last few seconds would be very entertaining to me.

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[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:
Breaking News:

Lakers and Nuggets are talking trade.

Bynum for Melo straight up.

Knicks, twolves, and nuggets still talking as well[/quote]

That’s not breaking news, that’s called rumours.[/quote]

Unlikely, sure.

The nuggets are going to move melo its just a matter of where.

knicks or lakers either one would be awesome.
[/quote]

I’m sure many teams have inquired about Melo. GMs talk trade all the time. It’s just normal course of business.
[/quote]

I agree, in the ordinary course of business

However, I feel the nuggets have no choice but to move melo. They don’t want to let him walk away with nothing in return ala cleveland. He said he wont sign the extention with denver so they don’t really have a choice.

do you think he is gonna stay in denver?
[/quote]

Here’s the flaw in that logic: it takes two teams to make a trade. Of course Denver would love to move him, but that’s irrelevant since

a) he won’t sign an extension anywhere but NYK (making NYK the only trade target)
b) NYK knows this, so they won’t trade valuable pieces for him this year when they can sign him outright and lose no one if they wait 1 season

So does it make more sense for Denver to trade him for a penny on the dollar, or to hold out for a playoff and hold out for the very real possibility of a sign-and-trade after the season?

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:
Breaking News:

Lakers and Nuggets are talking trade.

Bynum for Melo straight up.

Knicks, twolves, and nuggets still talking as well[/quote]

That’s not breaking news, that’s called rumours.[/quote]

Unlikely, sure.

The nuggets are going to move melo its just a matter of where.

knicks or lakers either one would be awesome.
[/quote]

I’m sure many teams have inquired about Melo. GMs talk trade all the time. It’s just normal course of business.
[/quote]

I agree, in the ordinary course of business

However, I feel the nuggets have no choice but to move melo. They don’t want to let him walk away with nothing in return ala cleveland. He said he wont sign the extention with denver so they don’t really have a choice.

do you think he is gonna stay in denver?
[/quote]

Here’s the flaw in that logic: it takes two teams to make a trade. Of course Denver would love to move him, but that’s irrelevant since

a) he won’t sign an extension anywhere but NYK (making NYK the only trade target)
b) NYK knows this, so they won’t trade valuable pieces for him this year when they can sign him outright and lose no one if they wait 1 season

So does it make more sense for Denver to trade him for a penny on the dollar, or to hold out for a playoff and hold out for the very real possibility of a sign-and-trade after the season?[/quote]

Well the NYK deal is a three team trade with Minnesota at least currently. With the Knicks giving up virtually nothing.

If he had the chance I guarantee melo would go to LA in a heartbeat. Him and Kobe are good friends not that it plays much a factor. He just wants to be relevant.

I guess the sign and trade is a possibility after the season is the most likely scenario since its so hard to get a deal done in the NBA. Especially with the cba or whatever expiring. Although Melo wants out now.

I just really hope he gets moved it would make the league that much more interesting especially to a playoff contender. Wishful thinking mostly.

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[quote]randman wrote:
It’s all rumor however. Jim Buss already turned it down and the only reason it was leaked because the Nuggets organization wanted it leaked to try and get leverage on NY since the Nets are out of it.

I think my post was more about a little unhappiness with Bynum’s production thus far than actually considering this deal. The fact of the matter is although the Lakers are still struggling on offense for stretches at a time there are still one of the most efficient offenses in the league.

It’s the defense that needs improving and Bynum is the anchor of the defense. Trading him away for Melo does not make the team better defensively so I was smoking crack for a second but it was fun to think about it for a split second.[/quote]

That is why I thought the trade almost made sense for the Lakers. I get the impression they aren’t thrilled with Bynum. They already have Pau inside. Bynum is constantly injured. We have seen how injury prone big guys turn out Oden, Yao, Walton, Boie etc… I also heard he doesnt have his head on straight as in hes kinda immature(strictly hear say).

Combine that with its a perimeter players league and they wouldnt have to resign melo for next season it seemed possible. again mostly wishful thinking though lol

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a Bynum for Melo trade would be awesome. Good luck doubling Kobe with Melo waiting for an open shot (or vice versa)

Please Please Please let this happen! lol… and in a couple years when Kobe retires Melo will be the guy in LA

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

Here’s the flaw in that logic: it takes two teams to make a trade. Of course Denver would love to move him, but that’s irrelevant since

a) he won’t sign an extension anywhere but NYK (making NYK the only trade target)
b) NYK knows this, so they won’t trade valuable pieces for him this year when they can sign him outright and lose no one if they wait 1 season

So does it make more sense for Denver to trade him for a penny on the dollar, or to hold out for a playoff and hold out for the very real possibility of a sign-and-trade after the season?[/quote]

The article today on ESPN said that “sources close to Melo” say he would sign a contract with LA. (Who knows what that really means)

Melo and his wife recently bought a new house in LA as well… I could definitely see Melo signing that extension with the Lakers. Why wouldnt he?

Big Market? CHECK
Title Contenders? CHECK
Great Weather? CHECK
Great Cast of Teammates? DOUBLE CHECK

The only thing that NY has on that list is big market

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[quote]gregron wrote:
a Bynum for Melo trade would be awesome. Good luck doubling Kobe with Melo waiting for an open shot (or vice versa)

Please Please Please let this happen! lol… and in a couple years when Kobe retires Melo will be the guy in LA[/quote]

Fuck I’d want it to happen just to see some good basketball.

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Um why aren’t you mentioning the fact that Melo and Kobe would have to share the “it guy” status. If you’re a Lakers fan and rooting for this you need to get the fuck out for being a hypocrite and all the shit that was said about LeBron going to Miami.

If Kobe was “Kobe” he wouldn’t want this to happen, neither would 'Melo who would rather have a greater role in NY with a chance to reestablish a franchise.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
a Bynum for Melo trade would be awesome. Good luck doubling Kobe with Melo waiting for an open shot (or vice versa)

Please Please Please let this happen! lol… and in a couple years when Kobe retires Melo will be the guy in LA[/quote]

Personally I think this would be a good trade for the long term but would lessen the Lakers chances to 3peat in the short term.

Defense is where they need to improve right now and Melo is not known as a great defender. Also to try and incorporate Melo into the triangle offense would take quite a bit of time. For the long term, however, it would be good because Kobe isn’t getting any younger and Melo could take over as “the man”.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Um why aren’t you mentioning the fact that Melo and Kobe would have to share the “it guy” status. If you’re a Lakers fan and rooting for this you need to get the fuck out for being a hypocrite and all the shit that was said about LeBron going to Miami.

If Kobe was “Kobe” he wouldn’t want this to happen, neither would 'Melo who would rather have a greater role in NY with a chance to reestablish a franchise.[/quote]

Kobe is a smart player. He knows the only way he could even be considered one of the greatest is to get to 7 to 8 championships. He’s already won 5 and won 2 as the undisputed man. I think Kobe would definitely welcome this.

It’s Carmelo, believe it or not, that I don’t think would want to adjust. They both take 19.5 shots a game. Kobe wants to win more championships than MJ and doesn’t care how it gets done at this point in his career is my pure speculative point of view.

And with regards to being a hypocrite, not the same scenario. Couldn’t be further in difference. Kobe’s won 5 championships. It’s not like he didn’t have any, left his team to go onto another stud’s team that already won 1 championship as the “man” and try to get some himself. Completely, completely different situations.

If Lebron attracted to Bosh and whoever else to HIS team, then so be it. Hell, Jordan had freaking Pippen (one of the 50 greatest of all time) and Rodman for God sakes.

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Um why aren’t you mentioning the fact that Melo and Kobe would have to share the “it guy” status. If you’re a Lakers fan and rooting for this you need to get the fuck out for being a hypocrite and all the shit that was said about LeBron going to Miami.

If Kobe was “Kobe” he wouldn’t want this to happen, neither would 'Melo who would rather have a greater role in NY with a chance to reestablish a franchise.[/quote]

Kobe is a smart player. He knows the only way he could even be considered one of the greatest is to get to 7 to 8 championships. He’s already won 5 and won 2 as the undisputed man. I think Kobe would definitely welcome this.

It’s Carmelo, believe it or not, that I don’t think would want to adjust. They both take 19.5 shots a game. Kobe wants to win more championships than MJ and doesn’t care how it gets done at this point in his career is my pure speculative point of view.

And with regards to being a hypocrite, not the same scenario. Couldn’t be further in difference. Kobe’s won 5 championships. It’s not like he didn’t have any, left his team to go onto another stud’s team that already won 1 championship as the “man” and try to get some himself. Completely, completely different situations.

If Lebron attracted to Bosh and whoever else to HIS team, then so be it. Hell, Jordan had freaking Pippen (one of the 50 greatest of all time) and Rodman for God sakes. [/quote]

I’m looking at it more from the vantage point of 'Melo. If he leaves and goes to LA there should be attacks on his character (a player who hasn’t won a ring looking for an “easy way in” - even though he’d actually be going into a BETTER situation then what LeBron is in right now) the same way their were attacks on LeBron. If you’re a Lakers fan and you see this how can you want him to come to your team but hate what the move represents. In the end 'Melo would be the antithesis of the supposedly “pure I’ll stick with this team” Kobe.

Regardless it’s a bit weird how even some Laker fans are championing this trade when they were so confident at the beginning of the season they’d win another ring. Upgrades are always welcome but really?

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Um why aren’t you mentioning the fact that Melo and Kobe would have to share the “it guy” status. If you’re a Lakers fan and rooting for this you need to get the fuck out for being a hypocrite and all the shit that was said about LeBron going to Miami.

If Kobe was “Kobe” he wouldn’t want this to happen, neither would 'Melo who would rather have a greater role in NY with a chance to reestablish a franchise.[/quote]

Kobe is a smart player. He knows the only way he could even be considered one of the greatest is to get to 7 to 8 championships. He’s already won 5 and won 2 as the undisputed man. I think Kobe would definitely welcome this.

It’s Carmelo, believe it or not, that I don’t think would want to adjust. They both take 19.5 shots a game. Kobe wants to win more championships than MJ and doesn’t care how it gets done at this point in his career is my pure speculative point of view.

And with regards to being a hypocrite, not the same scenario. Couldn’t be further in difference. Kobe’s won 5 championships. It’s not like he didn’t have any, left his team to go onto another stud’s team that already won 1 championship as the “man” and try to get some himself. Completely, completely different situations.

If Lebron attracted to Bosh and whoever else to HIS team, then so be it. Hell, Jordan had freaking Pippen (one of the 50 greatest of all time) and Rodman for God sakes. [/quote]

I’m looking at it more from the vantage point of 'Melo. If he leaves and goes to LA there should be attacks on his character (a player who hasn’t won a ring looking for an “easy way in” - even though he’d actually be going into a BETTER situation then what LeBron is in right now) the same way their were attacks on LeBron. If you’re a Lakers fan and you see this how can you want him to come to your team but hate what the move represents. In the end 'Melo would be the antithesis of the supposedly “pure I’ll stick with this team” Kobe.

Regardless it’s a bit weird how even some Laker fans are championing this trade when they were so confident at the beginning of the season they’d win another ring. Upgrades are always welcome but really?[/quote]

If he wins a ring everyone will forget - because winning a NBA championship is never easy.

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[quote]randman wrote:
It’s all rumor however. Jim Buss already turned it down and the only reason it was leaked because the Nuggets organization wanted it leaked to try and get leverage on NY since the Nets are out of it.

I think my post was more about a little unhappiness with Bynum’s production thus far than actually considering this deal. The fact of the matter is although the Lakers are still struggling on offense for stretches at a time there are still one of the most efficient offenses in the league.

It’s the defense that needs improving and Bynum is the anchor of the defense. Trading him away for Melo does not make the team better defensively so I was smoking crack for a second but it was fun to think about it for a split second.[/quote]

LOL, I was going to mention earlier when we agreed on Bynum being important for a matchup against the Celtics [who are still the favourites to come out of the East for now]. It didn’t show on the stat sheets, but when Bynum was on the court in the Finals the Lakers were clearly a better team than the Celts, when he wasn’t they were worse. Gasol was able to play better when Bynum was on the court as opposed to Odom.

That being said, I’m waiting until the last Heat-Celts regular season match up to see if matching the Celts inside presence matter if you have two superstars of Kobe and Melo’s stature. It’s a different Heat team that’s going to be facing the Celts this time, so if they win convincingly and the Celts didn’t have an off game, I might put them ahead of the Celts as East favourites. Which would actually render the importance of Bynum for match up reasons moot, I might add.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:
Breaking News:

Lakers and Nuggets are talking trade.

Bynum for Melo straight up.

Knicks, twolves, and nuggets still talking as well[/quote]

That’s not breaking news, that’s called rumours.[/quote]

Unlikely, sure.

The nuggets are going to move melo its just a matter of where.

knicks or lakers either one would be awesome.
[/quote]

I’m sure many teams have inquired about Melo. GMs talk trade all the time. It’s just normal course of business.
[/quote]

I agree, in the ordinary course of business

However, I feel the nuggets have no choice but to move melo. They don’t want to let him walk away with nothing in return ala cleveland. He said he wont sign the extention with denver so they don’t really have a choice.

do you think he is gonna stay in denver?
[/quote]

Here’s the flaw in that logic: it takes two teams to make a trade. Of course Denver would love to move him, but that’s irrelevant since

a) he won’t sign an extension anywhere but NYK (making NYK the only trade target)
b) NYK knows this, so they won’t trade valuable pieces for him this year when they can sign him outright and lose no one if they wait 1 season

So does it make more sense for Denver to trade him for a penny on the dollar, or to hold out for a playoff and hold out for the very real possibility of a sign-and-trade after the season?[/quote]

The longer they hold out to trade deadline the more they’ll scare him into accepting a trade elsewhere than to the NYK. He could lose a lot of money trying to sign a new contract, especially after the new CBA, where he may even lose salary he could have made in a lockout.

He’ll cave eventually and they’ll actually be able to get something decent for him.