^Dude, have some faith. It is possible that those were really two freak unrelated knee injuries. If he can make it healthy all the way through the playoffs maybe we can all finally breathe that that is all they were. Because if that’s the case, Bynum has a bright, bright future. Here’s hoping…
[quote]randman wrote:
^Dude, have some faith. It is possible that those were really two freak unrelated knee injuries. If he can make it healthy all the way through the playoffs maybe we can all finally breathe that that is all they were. Because if that’s the case, Bynum has a bright, bright future. Here’s hoping…[/quote]
I really hope that those injuries were fluke things and that he is now playing how he’s gonna be playing from here on out… but until proven otherwise I have to assume that what we’ve seen from bynum over the past couple years is how its gonna be.
Speaking of the Center position… there are only three centers in the NBA who are averaging a double double??? What the hell? How is that possible lol
crazy MIA - SA game
damn dwight is killing the Magic with all these TO’s
How much of Monta Ellis’s lack of hype/media adoration is due to the team he’s on (Warriors; record) vs. his size?
My brother says he’s not that valuable to other teams because of his size and because of how much Warriors are paying him; i.e., if he were paid less, he’d be more valuable because more teams would be willing to pick him up, but not after having the salary he’s getting from Warriors.
The guy is an animal, I don’t care what you criticize him on. He plays the most minutes per game and has some crazy stats.
And I do think Oracle Arena is cursed. How did Warriors beat Magic (in OT) ? They beat Chicago, too, and I went to that game expecting a beat down from D. Rose and gang.
EDIT:
You guys think Bosh hasn’t been playing well because he’s a big man who needs to be given the ball, and the Heat haven’t been playing that way?
Oh, and which would be a better shot at the title for Miami:
A) James, CP3, Bosh
B) Wade, CP3, Bosh
?
My friend said Miami should give up James or Wade for CP3. I don’t think Riley would let go of Wade, even though James is a more efficient player.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
damn dwight is killing the Magic with all these TO’s[/quote]
It may have a lil somethin to do wit da Laker’s intense, swarmin defense. Just sayin…
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
How much of Monta Ellis’s lack of hype/media adoration is due to the team he’s on (Warriors; record) vs. his size?
My brother says he’s not that valuable to other teams because of his size and because of how much Warriors are paying him; i.e., if he were paid less, he’d be more valuable because more teams would be willing to pick him up, but not after having the salary he’s getting from Warriors.
The guy is an animal, I don’t care what you criticize him on. He plays the most minutes per game and has some crazy stats.
And I do think Oracle Arena is cursed. How did Warriors beat Magic (in OT) ? They beat Chicago, too, and I went to that game expecting a beat down from D. Rose and gang.
EDIT:
You guys think Bosh hasn’t been playing well because he’s a big man who needs to be given the ball, and the Heat haven’t been playing that way?[/quote]
Ellis can play, but he’s a terrible defender and his stats are inflated due to the system he plays in. He’d be much better as a 2nd [or even 3rd] option on a good team, but his ego’s apperantly pretty big and he thinks he’s way better than he is so he’d never go for it. Teams would take him at a reduced price, but as is he’s not worth the headache.
Also for the Bosh Haters - he dropped 30 tonight.
Yeah his interior D isn’t the best but he’s a very good scoring option.
rajraj - Bosh is still just an overpaid 3. He can’t post like a 4 nor can he defend like a 4. (contrast that with Aldridge and Randolph and even Amare can at least block shots when he actually tries)
Ponce - I’d take option A) of those two because James is still the most dominant player even if he’s not a true “closer”
Whiteflash - you beat me to it re: Ellis. He’s just a terrible defender (granted their system doesn’t exactly help) and good 2 guards are supposed to be great scorers (ie. Kevin Martin, Rip Hamilton in his prime etc)
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I went to the Clippers-Wizards game Saturday night and it was probably the worst professional basketball game ever played. The teams just took turns trying to make the highlight reel. I think Flip Saunders was drunk. The Wizards’ offense is just guys taking turns going 1-on-1[/quote]
Here’s a hypothetical:
So you’ve just been given the GM reins to an NBA franchise. At PG, who would you choose to build around? (and let’s also assume that CP3 and Deron aren’t available options)
D Rose or Westbrook or J Wall?
[edit - fairly certain I’d take my chances on the rookie]
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If those are my 3 options I’m going Rose, Westbrook, Wall. Gotta be honest, I think Wall is really overrated. Shaky jumper, out of control, turnover prone and I’m not sure where his head and his heart are at. Could be wrong, but I’m not a fan of his game. Hey Scj, how’d Griffin look? Not game wise, but physically. Stood next to Gilbert Arenas several years ago and was surprised at how broad he was. He wasn’t muscular by any means, just a big dude with retardedly broad shoulders. [/quote]
I didn’t have great seats, but I can tell you that he made Trevor Booker, who is not a small man at 6’8" 240, into his personal bitch on every posession. I almost said he made Trevor Booker look like Rajon Rondo next to him but that’s an exaggeration (only slightly).
As far as his game…Griffin was 3/3 on that 12foot bank shot (The Duncan). If he is consistent on that, there’s really not much hope for PFs guarding him. The two guys guarding Griffin (Yi and Booker) BOTH had a 0pt/5foul statline until Griffin was benched for good in the 3rd quarter.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I went to the Clippers-Wizards game Saturday night and it was probably the worst professional basketball game ever played. The teams just took turns trying to make the highlight reel. I think Flip Saunders was drunk. The Wizards’ offense is just guys taking turns going 1-on-1[/quote]
Here’s a hypothetical:
So you’ve just been given the GM reins to an NBA franchise. At PG, who would you choose to build around? (and let’s also assume that CP3 and Deron aren’t available options)
D Rose or Westbrook or J Wall?
[edit - fairly certain I’d take my chances on the rookie]
[/quote]
I am biased so I’d say D Rose. However, I would absolutely say Chris Paul if he didn’t have that knee brace constantly reminding me that we don’t know if he’s 100% healthy or how long his career will be.
I would put Deron Williams well above John Wall.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I went to the Clippers-Wizards game Saturday night and it was probably the worst professional basketball game ever played. The teams just took turns trying to make the highlight reel. I think Flip Saunders was drunk. The Wizards’ offense is just guys taking turns going 1-on-1[/quote]
Here’s a hypothetical:
So you’ve just been given the GM reins to an NBA franchise. At PG, who would you choose to build around? (and let’s also assume that CP3 and Deron aren’t available options)
D Rose or Westbrook or J Wall?
[edit - fairly certain I’d take my chances on the rookie]
[/quote]
If those are my 3 options I’m going Rose, Westbrook, Wall. Gotta be honest, I think Wall is really overrated. Shaky jumper, out of control, turnover prone and I’m not sure where his head and his heart are at. Could be wrong, but I’m not a fan of his game. Hey Scj, how’d Griffin look? Not game wise, but physically. Stood next to Gilbert Arenas several years ago and was surprised at how broad he was. He wasn’t muscular by any means, just a big dude with retardedly broad shoulders. [/quote]
These are true, but from the two wiz games I went to over the weekend, there are two things that jumped out at me about Wall.
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He is incredibly fast with the ball, attacks the floor on EVERY opponent miss and doesn’t look outmatched on a 1-on-3 break.
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He has absolutely no one to pass to. I think he realizes that he shouldn’t be taking threes, but what are his options? Feed Trevor Booker or Yi Jinlain in the post? Pass to Nick Young who will dribble around for 10 seconds and take even a lower quality shot? Pass to Josh Howard who is airballing uncontested 12foot jumpers?
I don’t think we can evaluate Wall till he has some teammates… but averaging 9assists/game on this sad excuse for a team is nothing to laugh at. Fucking Kevin Serraphin and Maurice Evans got 15-20minutes of run EACH last night.
I will say that Wall frequently (on dribble drives) leaves the ground without knowing whether he’s going to pass or lay it up, and makes up his mind halfway through his jump. Not sure how you fix that.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
How much of Monta Ellis’s lack of hype/media adoration is due to the team he’s on (Warriors; record) vs. his size?
My brother says he’s not that valuable to other teams because of his size and because of how much Warriors are paying him; i.e., if he were paid less, he’d be more valuable because more teams would be willing to pick him up, but not after having the salary he’s getting from Warriors.
The guy is an animal, I don’t care what you criticize him on. He plays the most minutes per game and has some crazy stats.
And I do think Oracle Arena is cursed. How did Warriors beat Magic (in OT) ? They beat Chicago, too, and I went to that game expecting a beat down from D. Rose and gang.
EDIT:
You guys think Bosh hasn’t been playing well because he’s a big man who needs to be given the ball, and the Heat haven’t been playing that way?[/quote]
Ellis can play, but he’s a terrible defender and his stats are inflated due to the system he plays in. He’d be much better as a 2nd [or even 3rd] option on a good team, but his ego’s apperantly pretty big and he thinks he’s way better than he is so he’d never go for it. Teams would take him at a reduced price, but as is he’s not worth the headache.[/quote]
Ellis is a volume scorer who’s not all that efficient - 35% from 3, and 45% overall are pretty average. He scores 25pts/game on 21 shots… lots of NBA players would score that much if they took that many shots, plus he blows at D. And he turns it over a lot for a 2-guard.
He is great at CREATING shots, which is an important skill… but he’s not great at making them. I will say though he’s improving year-to-year.
Edit: initially said “45% from 2”… but the 45% is overall FG% not just 2-pointers.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I will say that Wall frequently (on dribble drives) leaves the ground without knowing whether he’s going to pass or lay it up, and makes up his mind halfway through his jump. Not sure how you fix that.[/quote]
No question that the rookie is still very raw (still just a college sophomore) but I think his upside is through the roof.
And that was my point. That, and that D Rose’s individual defense is atrocious. Deron is actually my favorite of this current crop – runs the team, makes the right pass, AND shoots ~50% FGs
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I will say that Wall frequently (on dribble drives) leaves the ground without knowing whether he’s going to pass or lay it up, and makes up his mind halfway through his jump. Not sure how you fix that.[/quote]
No question that the rookie is still very raw (still just a college sophomore) but I think his upside is through the roof.
And that was my point. That, and that D Rose’s individual defense is atrocious. Deron is actually my favorite of this current crop – runs the team, makes the right pass, AND shoots ~50% FGs
[/quote]
A lot of the young PGs have trouble defending each other because of the elimination of the hand checking rule. They basically all have their way with each other.
^^ very true. Those rule changes of 2004(?) won back-to-back MVPs for Stevie Nash and are directly responsible for this “golden age” of today.
Also makes MJ’s offensive dominance all the more glaring, in retrospect
[quote]chillain wrote:
^^ very true. Those rule changes of 2004(?) won back-to-back MVPs for Stevie Nash and are directly responsible for this “golden age” of today.
Also makes MJ’s offensive dominance all the more glaring, in retrospect
[/quote]
On the flip side, Jordan didn’t have to deal with zones and all the junk D’s that are in the league today. Teams as a whole were much more physical then, but the overall Defense is tougher today, not to mention the fact that players as a whole are bigger/stronger/faster than they were 15 years ago.
Ok, that’s more like it. Miami losing to a good team. I didn’t want them to forget their identity. He he.
Randman you are terrified of the Heat’s potential. If the Heat win the championship you might have to stop posting in this forum.