Yes Whiteflash, you make an excellent point. Scj119 keeps talking about how “clutch” Melo is. But he notoriously has not done much in the post season thus far in his career and actually has wilted quite a few times. Kobe’s clutchness = incomparable. Stats be damned.
[quote]randman wrote:
Yes Whiteflash, you make an excellent point. Scj119 keeps talking about how “clutch” Melo is. But he notoriously has not done much in the post season thus far in his career and actually has wilted quite a few times. Kobe’s clutchness = incomparable. Stats be damned.[/quote]
Well Melo is clutch and I’m with Scj to a degree. But, stats don’t paint the whole picture and don’t take into account situational context. Looking at the whole picture, I don’t see how anyone would take any player over Bryant.
^ You said it. Stats DEFINITELY do not paint the whole picture in basketball. Much less so than baseball for instance.
[quote]randman wrote:
^ You said it. Stats DEFINITELY do not paint the whole picture in basketball. Much less so than baseball for instance.[/quote]
Here’s the thing about stats to me: I’ll take the viewing of one game more seriously than 5 or 10 or however many games of stats. BUT, you can mentally assimilate hundreds of games of stats so quickly that you just can’t watch enough basketball to make those stats irrelevant.
I don’t think stats are MORE important, but I think you can’t paint the whole picture without them.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I really like the Bulls’ chances of the #1 seed in the East[/quote]
I’m telling you, the more I watch the Bulls the more I think they’ll upset somebody, and maybe a few teams. They’re really good.[/quote]
I think the bulls will play in the ECF’s
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
So both Dirk and Melo have been more efficient than Kobe in the last 3 seasons? Didn’t know Dirk was up there[/quote]
That’s not entirely accurate. The more chances you have in high pressure situations the more your odds of success drop.[/quote]
Yeah, regression to the mean over a larger sample. This sort of is my only argument against Kobe though: he is SO predictable in the last 10 seconds, I just wish that he would occasionally pass to an open teammate (like at the end of a meaningless regular season game) just so that teams will back off him a bit when it counts. It would get him more lightly contested opportunities in important games.
I went to the Clippers-Wizards game Saturday night and it was probably the worst professional basketball game ever played. The teams just took turns trying to make the highlight reel. I think Flip Saunders was drunk. The Wizards’ offense is just guys taking turns going 1-on-1.
The CLIPPERS had nearly 70pts in the first half, and ended up scoring (I think) 125 without Eric Gordon. Dear god, the Wizards are awful. Yi Jinlain put up the coveted 0pts/5fouls statline guarding Blake… I don’t think he was on the floor for more than 12 minutes to get those 5 fouls.
But hey, I’m going to OKC-WAS tonight. I’m setting the over/under for victory margin at 27.5 (assuming KD and Westbrook sit out the entire 4th quarter like Blake did).
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I went to the Clippers-Wizards game Saturday night and it was probably the worst professional basketball game ever played. The teams just took turns trying to make the highlight reel. I think Flip Saunders was drunk. The Wizards’ offense is just guys taking turns going 1-on-1[/quote]
Here’s a hypothetical:
So you’ve just been given the GM reins to an NBA franchise. At PG, who would you choose to build around? (and let’s also assume that CP3 and Deron aren’t available options)
D Rose or Westbrook or J Wall?
[edit - fairly certain I’d take my chances on the rookie]
Bulls are SICK. I would love it if they won the ECF.
Miami just has no depth. And Bosh is OVERRATED and proof that your stats with your previous team don’t necessarily mean you’ll play the same on the next team. He’s not aggressive, he doesn’t create opportunities, he has NO power. What is good about Bosh? I’m sure there’s something; someone, tell me.
Chillain,
D Rose then Westbrook.
even if Williams and CP3 were available… I’d still probably choose Rose
but it depends on the type of team you’re trying to build.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
I went to the Clippers-Wizards game Saturday night and it was probably the worst professional basketball game ever played. The teams just took turns trying to make the highlight reel. I think Flip Saunders was drunk. The Wizards’ offense is just guys taking turns going 1-on-1[/quote]
Here’s a hypothetical:
So you’ve just been given the GM reins to an NBA franchise. At PG, who would you choose to build around? (and let’s also assume that CP3 and Deron aren’t available options)
D Rose or Westbrook or J Wall?
[edit - fairly certain I’d take my chances on the rookie]
[/quote]
If those are my 3 options I’m going Rose, Westbrook, Wall. Gotta be honest, I think Wall is really overrated. Shaky jumper, out of control, turnover prone and I’m not sure where his head and his heart are at. Could be wrong, but I’m not a fan of his game. Hey Scj, how’d Griffin look? Not game wise, but physically. Stood next to Gilbert Arenas several years ago and was surprised at how broad he was. He wasn’t muscular by any means, just a big dude with retardedly broad shoulders.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
So both Dirk and Melo have been more efficient than Kobe in the last 3 seasons? Didn’t know Dirk was up there[/quote]
That’s not entirely accurate. The more chances you have in high pressure situations the more your odds of success drop.[/quote]
Yeah, regression to the mean over a larger sample. This sort of is my only argument against Kobe though: he is SO predictable in the last 10 seconds, I just wish that he would occasionally pass to an open teammate (like at the end of a meaningless regular season game) just so that teams will back off him a bit when it counts. It would get him more lightly contested opportunities in important games.[/quote]
I don’t think there’s anything he could do at this point that would make teams put less pressure on him in important games.
Sorry, CP3 ?
Brain fog this morning.
My knicks are barely an over 500 team and they have just raised ticket prices %49 across the board for next year. Talking about exing out the hardcore fan…nothing but suits and celebrities in MSG
chris paul
[quote]chillain wrote:
D Rose or Westbrook or J Wall?
[edit - fairly certain I’d take my chances on the rookie][/quote]
I expected to be in the minority, but I can def back up my position:
D Rose - current media darling, way too quick to defend, BUT makes no attempt at playing defense (and this is a huge strike IMO)
Westbrook - best rebounder/defender of the three, I might argue he’s the “safest” to build around
J Wall - good height and length, as quick as D Rose, undeveloped but still only 19, upside just might be the highest of the three
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
chris paul[/quote]
If I’m starting a team and I can pick any pg I want, I’m taking a healthy Paul everytime. He’s hands down the best pg of the bunch. If he does wind up on the Knicks they’re instant favorites in the East.
End of the 1st and Bynum already has 11 boards and 3 blocks. It’s early but he’s dominating Howard. That in itself doesn’t prove anything but I maintain that if Howard played in a league with more true centers his numbers would be fractioned and we wouldn’t hear as much about him.
Is anyone else watching a healthy Andrew Bynum outplaying Dwight Howard in the first quarter? This is the Andrew Bynum we’ve all (i.e. Lakers fans) been waiting for…
His last 10 games have been pretty dominant. Not necessarily in the points department which doesn’t surprise me since he has to share scoring with Kobe and Pau but definitely on defense and rebounding. He’s been racking up a number of double doubles lately. It’s a thing o beauty to watch.
yeah bynum has been playing well lately. I still doubt that he can keep it up for the rest of the season and playoffs (hope he proves me wrong though)
Anyone else watching the game and getting totally annoyed by that idiot on Orlando’s bench who keeps walking up and down the sideline flexing and yelling shit after every good orlando play? He looks like an idiot (especially cause he gets no clock)
Side Note:
man did Miami really take it to SA or what? Cant wait to hear all the talk tomorrow about how they figured it out and beat the Lakers and SA
/sarcasm