I agree. When Phil retires, the number one coach I would want would be Pop. Next would be Doc Rivers. And during the season that they won the championship I didn’t think Doc was a great coach. He’s grown into a great coach.
Heat lose again! YAAAAY!
I dont really care about the NBA until its playoffs time… unless something interesting happens
Spurs are good at finding diamonds in the rough to fill out their roster.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Heat lose again! YAAAAY!
I dont really care about the NBA until its playoffs time… unless something interesting happens[/quote]
Then post more pics of your fiancee plz 
So Forbes released the most valuable franchises of 2010:
Interesting how the Mavericks, Heat and Spurs are all in the top 10 but are running losses. Also cool to see how the Raptors #10 even though in their 16 year history the farthest they’ve gone has been to a 2nd round game 7.
And for all the shitting people do on the Clippers, their franchise value isn’t high, but they’re in the top 10 in operating income.
BEST STORY OF THE YEAR:
The truth about Kobe Bryant in crunch time:
flame away…
Damn I was about to post that.
In b4 Randman says something stupid, because he will. He surely will.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
BEST STORY OF THE YEAR:
The truth about Kobe Bryant in crunch time:
flame away…[/quote]
Damn, he got pretty much every possible counter-argument covered in that article.
I said this in the Playoff Thread and I’ll say it again, the Lakers are a clutch TEAM, kind of like the New England Patriots. They’re both great players, but Kobe Bryant and Tom Brady get too much credit for what the whole team does.
[I know there was a stat in that article about how the Lakers offense got worse in crunch time, but that doesn’t really say much abvout whether they WIN in the clutch, since the other half of the equation is neglected–how do their opponents far in clutch time? Until I get the stat on that I’m going with what I observe, the Lakers do well as a team in the clutch.]
I’m so tired of seeing 6 different variations of this same article get recycled. The fact of the matter is that there are SO many ways to define “clutch” and with each definition his ranking is going to be all over the place. This is where the “stats” are overused. I know what I see with my own eyes along with every other GM, coach and player scout in the industry and if you ask ALL of them who would you want to have the ball in their hands with the game on the line and a large majority of them will say Kobe Bryant. Case closed.
I’ve always said that I’d rather have Carmello Anthony take my final shot. Well at least him or Dirk.
[quote]randman wrote:
I’m so tired of seeing 6 different variations of this same article get recycled. The fact of the matter is that there are SO many ways to define “clutch” and with each definition his ranking is going to be all over the place. This is where the “stats” are overused. I know what I see with my own eyes along with every other GM, coach and player scout in the industry and if you ask ALL of them who would you want to have the ball in their hands with the game on the line and a large majority of them will say Kobe Bryant. Case closed.[/quote]
Told you lol.
News could come out that Kobe was a tranny, bisexual, pedophile into bestiality and good ol’ Randman would say something in his defense.
Lakers lose to Celtics. Pau needs to start playing or they will become the 3rd seed in the West or worse and be fucked in the playoffs.
[quote]randman wrote:
I’m so tired of seeing 6 different variations of this same article get recycled. The fact of the matter is that there are SO many ways to define “clutch” and with each definition his ranking is going to be all over the place. This is where the “stats” are overused. I know what I see with my own eyes along with every other GM, coach and player scout in the industry and if you ask ALL of them who would you want to have the ball in their hands with the game on the line and a large majority of them will say Kobe Bryant. Case closed.[/quote]
I agree with you to a point, except that it’s not like some analyses show Bryant is the best in crunch time, and some don’t. They pretty much all come to the same conclusion regardless of how you define crunch time. And the stats back up what I’ve been shouting about for years and have seen with my own eyes: yeah he’s made a lot of crunch time shots, but he takes that shot EVERY TIME the lakers are close.
So, yeah lots of makes… but also lots of attmepts and (therefore) lots of misses. People just don’t remember the misses because a miss isn’t dramatic or memorable if you have 3 guys draped on you.
I wish for Kobe’s sake he would pass once in a while, just so he’s not facing quadruple-teams when he DOES shoot it. There has to at least be a threat of someone else taking it so the defense stays honest… see the picture in that story of his shot against ORL in the Finals. Four guys!
By the way…the Spurs are 40-7. 40-7! I’m not going to say they’re likely to touch the record 72-win mark, but at what point does that conversation start happening? I mean it’s gotta be soon right?
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Lakers lose to Celtics. Pau needs to start playing or they will become the 3rd seed in the West or worse and be fucked in the playoffs.[/quote]
I’m glad you called this out. Fucking Pau is being a soft pussy again. He played S-O-F-T and has been doing so for much of this season. Sometimes Bynum and even Odom do the same thing where they just don’t show up or only show up for a half like yesterday.
There’s nothing more infuriating watching talent not putting forth maximum effort for four quarters. I don’t understand how Kobe can put up with his teammates sometimes. I’d want to thrash them in the locker room after the game. Not taking anything away from the Cs, they obviously wanted it more.
The Spurs are playing fantastic team basketball. It would serve the league better to get more teams hyped than just the Heat, Lakers and Celtics. I’m getting more into the NBA knowing that we may not have the NFL next year.
I’ve been a Sixers fan off and on but I’m excited by the youth on that team and on some others. I wish Evan Turner would start getting some intensity though and gel better with Igoudala. John Wall on the Wizards is amazing stupid fast. And Blake Superior is fun to watch.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
I’m so tired of seeing 6 different variations of this same article get recycled. The fact of the matter is that there are SO many ways to define “clutch” and with each definition his ranking is going to be all over the place. This is where the “stats” are overused. I know what I see with my own eyes along with every other GM, coach and player scout in the industry and if you ask ALL of them who would you want to have the ball in their hands with the game on the line and a large majority of them will say Kobe Bryant. Case closed.[/quote]
I agree with you to a point, except that it’s not like some analyses show Bryant is the best in crunch time, and some don’t. They pretty much all come to the same conclusion regardless of how you define crunch time.
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I’ve read them all and it doesn’t convince me or most analysts regardless.
This couldn’t be further from the truth. I watch every one of this guy’s games. I’ve seen him make MANY passes to open teammates for last second shots. He’s passed it to an open Artest many times this year. Artest has been missing just about all of them.
Can’t argue that he also misses a bunch.
[quote]
I wish for Kobe’s sake he would pass once in a while, just so he’s not facing quadruple-teams when he DOES shoot it. There has to at least be a threat of someone else taking it so the defense stays honest… see the picture in that story of his shot against ORL in the Finals. Four guys![/quote]
The Orlando shot should have been a pass in my opinion as well. That being said, he also passes it to teammates more than you are letting on in this post when it comes to last second shots.
And let’s put this clutch thing in perspective. You can throw all the stats around that you want but do you know who team USA deferred to when they were down to Spain for the gold medal game in the final minutes? It wasn’t Lebron, it wasn’t Anthony, it was Kobe. And he made the critical baskets and plays in those final minutes to secure the gold.
I haven’t seen any stats about last second makes when the “stakes are highest”. Let’s put it this way, if aliens came to Earth from another planet and challenged us to an NBA game, winner takes all and the loser’s planet gets destroyed. First, who are you going to have on that team? Obviously Kobe, Anthony, and Lebron among others are on that team.
And if the game came down to a last second shot when Team Earth was down by one point with 3 seconds to go who are you going to have take that shot? Lebron? Anthony? Remember, if an earthling misses that shot, the Earth gets destroyed. Be honest with yourself, who ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TAKE THE HIGHEST PRESSURE SHOT IN HISTORY? There’s only one person I want taking that shot, it’s Kobe. And most GMs, scouts, and analysts would want him to take that shot as well.
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]randman wrote:
I’m so tired of seeing 6 different variations of this same article get recycled. The fact of the matter is that there are SO many ways to define “clutch” and with each definition his ranking is going to be all over the place. This is where the “stats” are overused. I know what I see with my own eyes along with every other GM, coach and player scout in the industry and if you ask ALL of them who would you want to have the ball in their hands with the game on the line and a large majority of them will say Kobe Bryant. Case closed.[/quote]
I agree with you to a point, except that it’s not like some analyses show Bryant is the best in crunch time, and some don’t. They pretty much all come to the same conclusion regardless of how you define crunch time.
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I’ve read them all and it doesn’t convince me or most analysts regardless.
This couldn’t be further from the truth. I watch every one of this guy’s games. I’ve seen him make MANY passes to open teammates for last second shots. He’s passed it to an open Artest many times this year. Artest has been missing just about all of them.
Can’t argue that he also misses a bunch.
I guess what I’m saying is, my only criticism of Kobe (keep in mind I still think he’s a top-5 player of all time, it’s not like I hate the guy) is that I think he’s SLIGHTLY more concerned with “being THE GUY” than with winning. Obviously he wants to win, but I think even moreso he wants to be the guy who seals the win.
In all honesty though I might take Melo in that scenario, that dude is just so incredibly cold-blooded, and I think he’d create himself an easier shot. I understand I’m in the minority here but you asked what I would do, not what most people would do.
[quote]randman wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Lakers lose to Celtics. Pau needs to start playing or they will become the 3rd seed in the West or worse and be fucked in the playoffs.[/quote]
I’m glad you called this out. Fucking Pau is being a soft pussy again. He played S-O-F-T and has been doing so for much of this season. Sometimes Bynum and even Odom do the same thing where they just don’t show up or only show up for a half like yesterday.
There’s nothing more infuriating watching talent not putting forth maximum effort for four quarters. I don’t understand how Kobe can put up with his teammates sometimes. I’d want to thrash them in the locker room after the game. Not taking anything away from the Cs, they obviously wanted it more.[/quote]
Pure conjecture: I wonder if that hamstring is still bothering Pau. That would make him more tentative if true.