2010-2011 NBA Season 2.0

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Miami needs to figure something out cause this whole ‘get huge leads against very good teams, blow them in 4th quarter’ thing is definitely becoming a trend now, not just a few ‘oops’ games. For 3 quarters they look every bit the NBA Champ contending team you’d expect, and then inexplicably, with 2 of the games great 4th quarter performers in Wade and Bron, they collapse(granted their collapses have much more to do with the defensive end, which then puts a magnifying glass on a last second shot attempt gone awry).

Captain obvious moment, but the east is going to come down to seeding. Who the fuck is going to want to play the Knicks(or even the Hawks who are at least decent) and then turnaround to play one of the other elite teams on the road; and right now, D12 is playing crazy, I wouldn’t want to touch Orlando in round 2 either, especially if I’m Miami or Boston with big questions at the C(I haven’t been around in awhile and obviously missed the Perkins talk but you guys seemed to cover how WTF it was).

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I stopped watching yesterday’s game after the 3rd quarter, no joke. I lost :(.

I think it’s still Boston as the East favourites, the team that has the best chance to beat them and get into the Finals is Chicago IMO. Not feeling Orlando or the Heat this year.

Honestly for all of the hype over the East the only real title contender I have from there is Boston. The rest of the good teams are all gonna be great, possible contenders in 1-2 years. But this year if Boston doesn’t come out of the East whoever does will lose to either the Suprs, Mavs, Lakers.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Real GM says the Heat may sign eddy curry…HA HA HA, are they that desperate for a center! I swear to all on this thread if you put me in the NBA (played varsity B basketball in HS Yoooooo) I would average more rebounds then this tremendous lump of shit…(oh and Im 5’9).

I would love for this to happen…please Heat give Big pussy a chance![/quote]

You ever hear of the statistical achievement known as “The Curry”? It’s when you finish a season with more turnovers than assists+steals+blocks combined.

The article is pretty crazy. It talks about how his ex and their kid were held down and shot to death in front of his other kid, and that his ex was having an affair with his lawyer, that he had sexual assault charges filed against him by his male limo driver, that he has phantom heart problems that can’t be figured out, all kinds of crazy shit.
Read that, then go look up his career stats. And laugh.[/quote]

That is one of the funniest/saddest things I’ve ever heard. Curry had so much potential. A really big dude with light feet, soft touch and some natural offensive skills. As soon as he started cashing those NBA checks he just stopped giving a fuck. I didn’t even realize until ysterday that he was on Minnesota’s roster. God, talk about the most over-hyped HS class of all-time [Curry, Tyson Chandler, Kwame Brown, Diop, Dajuan Wagner…]. Holy shit, check this story out-

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/404357-the-unfortunate-tale-of-eddy-curry[/quote]

for some reason I cant access the article…but there is nothing worst than wasted talent. He had 1 very good season with the knicks, borderline all star year averaged 20 points a game, when his head was on right, when his gullet was on lock he could be a real offensive force.

He is the prime example of a talented player with no heart whatsoever[/quote]

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[quote]red04 wrote:
Miami needs to figure something out cause this whole ‘get huge leads against very good teams, blow them in 4th quarter’ thing is definitely becoming a trend now, not just a few ‘oops’ games. For 3 quarters they look every bit the NBA Champ contending team you’d expect, and then inexplicably, with 2 of the games great 4th quarter performers in Wade and Bron, they collapse(granted their collapses have much more to do with the defensive end, which then puts a magnifying glass on a last second shot attempt gone awry).

Captain obvious moment, but the east is going to come down to seeding. Who the fuck is going to want to play the Knicks(or even the Hawks who are at least decent) and then turnaround to play one of the other elite teams on the road; and right now, D12 is playing crazy, I wouldn’t want to touch Orlando in round 2 either, especially if I’m Miami or Boston with big questions at the C(I haven’t been around in awhile and obviously missed the Perkins talk but you guys seemed to cover how WTF it was).[/quote]

The East is more evenly natched [to me] than people realize. I honestly believe that depending on how things wind up, Atlanta and/or Chicago can upset a Boston/Orlando/Miami early on. The East is looking like one giant wildcard right now.

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
I stopped watching yesterday’s game after the 3rd quarter, no joke. I lost :(.

I think it’s still Boston as the East favourites, the team that has the best chance to beat them and get into the Finals is Chicago IMO. Not feeling Orlando or the Heat this year.

Honestly for all of the hype over the East the only real title contender I have from there is Boston. The rest of the good teams are all gonna be great, possible contenders in 1-2 years. But this year if Boston doesn’t come out of the East whoever does will lose to either the Suprs, Mavs, Lakers. [/quote]

Man, 2 weeks ago I would’ve co-signed on this. But, I think shipping Perkins off is gonna come back and bite the Celtics in the ass BIGTIME. He was such a big part of who they were as a team. Still doesn’t make sense.

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Are the Raps and Nets the only 2 teams playing regular season games in Europe?

How nice, send 2 bottom feeder teams with almost no star power (save Deron Williams) to build a fan base in another country.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
I stopped watching yesterday’s game after the 3rd quarter, no joke. I lost :(.

I think it’s still Boston as the East favourites, the team that has the best chance to beat them and get into the Finals is Chicago IMO. Not feeling Orlando or the Heat this year.

Honestly for all of the hype over the East the only real title contender I have from there is Boston. The rest of the good teams are all gonna be great, possible contenders in 1-2 years. But this year if Boston doesn’t come out of the East whoever does will lose to either the Suprs, Mavs, Lakers. [/quote]

Man, 2 weeks ago I would’ve co-signed on this. But, I think shipping Perkins off is gonna come back and bite the Celtics in the ass BIGTIME. He was such a big part of who they were as a team. Still doesn’t make sense.[/quote]

I do agree with you Larry David.

I don’t agree with you Whiteflash. Perkins has not been involved in last 5 to 10 minutes in just about every game this season due to either a) injury or when he’s been playing b) the lack of offense. Rivers doesn’t want to play 3 on 5 offensively at the end of a game. The Celtics have still won against elite competition regardless

I believe the only time the Perkins thing is going to bite them in the ass is if/when they have to face the Lakers in the finals. Not having Perkins defense and rebounding against the size of the Lakers can be the the factor against the Laker’s overwhelming size down low come finals time (If the Lake Show makes it that far). The lack of having Perkins won’t bite them in the ass versus Miami or Chicago.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Dude just ignore him and wait for the playoffs to happen.

If I recall correctly he was calling anyone who thought Wade would be taking a supportive role to Lebron in Miami “dense” or “high.”
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I was going to leave this one alone but decided against it. I’m going to take your stupid-ass post head on.

Do you honestly think this has become “Lebron’s team”?!? Do you honestly think Wade has taken a supportive role?!? Do you not see the obvious of what’s going on with this team right now? As I predicted, Lebron and Wade are TOO SIMILAR in style. They do not complement each other as players very well because they are so similar.

As a result, you see Lebron taking last second shots when Wade is sitting there waving his arms ready to take the last second shot. I don’t need to point out how many times lately LeBrick has been missing these shots, do I?

There is no sense of a pecking order with this team right now, no sense of identity. And there are 20 games left in the season.

Are they highly talented? Of course, with Lebron and Wade on the same team that is obvious. But you need to be a little more perceptive about the underlying tension that’s going on, the unspoken uneasiness, between these two players and what their roles are on the team.

If you don’t see it, you haven’t been looking closely enough or don’t have the critical eye to see it.

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
I stopped watching yesterday’s game after the 3rd quarter, no joke. I lost :(.

I think it’s still Boston as the East favourites, the team that has the best chance to beat them and get into the Finals is Chicago IMO. Not feeling Orlando or the Heat this year.

Honestly for all of the hype over the East the only real title contender I have from there is Boston. The rest of the good teams are all gonna be great, possible contenders in 1-2 years. But this year if Boston doesn’t come out of the East whoever does will lose to either the Suprs, Mavs, Lakers. [/quote]

Man, 2 weeks ago I would’ve co-signed on this. But, I think shipping Perkins off is gonna come back and bite the Celtics in the ass BIGTIME. He was such a big part of who they were as a team. Still doesn’t make sense.[/quote]

I do agree with you Larry David.

I don’t agree with you Whiteflash. Perkins has not been involved in last 5 to 10 minutes in just about every game this season due to either a) injury or when he’s been playing b) the lack of offense. Rivers doesn’t want to play 3 on 5 offensively at the end of a game. The Celtics have still won against elite competition regardless

I believe the only time the Perkins thing is going to bite them in the ass is if/when they have to face the Lakers in the finals. Not having Perkins defense and rebounding against the size of the Lakers can be the the factor against the Laker’s overwhelming size down low come finals time (If the Lake Show makes it that far). The lack of having Perkins won’t bite them in the ass versus Miami or Chicago. [/quote]

Haven’t you been preaching about the benefit of size in the post-season since you got here? Shaq and the other O’neal can’t even stay on the floor right now. They’ll be fine against some of the lesser teams, but if they get matched up with Orlando, or even Atlanta with their combination of athletic 4-5’s they could be in a world of hurt. Mark that down.

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Yes. I have been preaching that. All I’m saying is the Celtics have been winning without Perkins this year for most of the year. They have been getting a lot from Garnett who still provides the size down low for defense and rebounding. Jeff Green will also help here as a backup to Pierce (can hit threes and rebounds).

Part of my beliefs do ride a bit on the O’Neals (or at least one) being at least somewhat serviceable for the playoffs. I just think the Celtics still have enough size and talent to beat the likes of Miami and Chicago. I think they’ll have more trouble against Orlando (without Perkins). I just don’t trust Orlando in the post season regardless. Even with the advantage down low, if Orlando is facing the Celtics they will find a way to lose.

I guess I’m not totally disagreeing with you. I’m just saying I think the Celtics could still get by the East without Perkins but would be most exposed against the Lakers. It’s all about matchups.

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Dude just ignore him and wait for the playoffs to happen.

If I recall correctly he was calling anyone who thought Wade would be taking a supportive role to Lebron in Miami “dense” or “high.”
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I was going to leave this one alone but decided against it. I’m going to take your stupid-ass post head on.

Do you honestly think this has become “Lebron’s team”?!? Do you honestly think Wade has taken a supportive role?!? Do you not see the obvious of what’s going on with this team right now? As I predicted, Lebron and Wade are TOO SIMILAR in style. They do not complement each other as players very well because they are so similar.

As a result, you see Lebron taking last second shots when Wade is sitting there waving his arms ready to take the last second shot. I don’t need to point out how many times lately LeBrick has been missing these shots, do I?

There is no sense of a pecking order with this team right now, no sense of identity. And there are 20 games left in the season.

Are they highly talented? Of course, with Lebron and Wade on the same team that is obvious. But you need to be a little more perceptive about the underlying tension that’s going on, the unspoken uneasiness, between these two players and what their roles are on the team.

If you don’t see it, you haven’t been looking closely enough or don’t have the critical eye to see it.[/quote]

Yes randman. The offense is run much more through Lebron than Wade. The fact their styles clash and Lebron hasn’t been good in clutch is irrelevant.

What matters here is who is the first option most of the time. Answer Lebron.

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[quote]randman wrote:
Yes. I have been preaching that. All I’m saying is the Celtics have been winning without Perkins this year for most of the year. They have been getting a lot from Garnett who still provides the size down low for defense and rebounding. Jeff Green will also help here as a backup to Pierce (can hit threes and rebounds).

Part of my beliefs do ride a bit on the O’Neals (or at least one) being at least somewhat serviceable for the playoffs. I just think the Celtics still have enough size and talent to beat the likes of Miami and Chicago. I think they’ll have more trouble against Orlando (without Perkins). I just don’t trust Orlando in the post season regardless. Even with the advantage down low, if Orlando is facing the Celtics they will find a way to lose.

I guess I’m not totally disagreeing with you. I’m just saying I think the Celtics could still get by the East without Perkins but would be most exposed against the Lakers. It’s all about matchups.[/quote]

I’m not ready to fully give up on the C’s either. But, giving up such a huge part of their core to get a guy who doesn’t really provide much [right now] is fucking retarded. And, in a 7 game series against a team with a big, athletic frontcourt that can potentially be huge. All I’m saying is, If I’m the C’s I don’t want to see Orl, Atl or Chi early on.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Dude just ignore him and wait for the playoffs to happen.

If I recall correctly he was calling anyone who thought Wade would be taking a supportive role to Lebron in Miami “dense” or “high.”
[/quote]

I was going to leave this one alone but decided against it. I’m going to take your stupid-ass post head on.

Do you honestly think this has become “Lebron’s team”?!? Do you honestly think Wade has taken a supportive role?!? Do you not see the obvious of what’s going on with this team right now? As I predicted, Lebron and Wade are TOO SIMILAR in style. They do not complement each other as players very well because they are so similar.

As a result, you see Lebron taking last second shots when Wade is sitting there waving his arms ready to take the last second shot. I don’t need to point out how many times lately LeBrick has been missing these shots, do I?

There is no sense of a pecking order with this team right now, no sense of identity. And there are 20 games left in the season.

Are they highly talented? Of course, with Lebron and Wade on the same team that is obvious. But you need to be a little more perceptive about the underlying tension that’s going on, the unspoken uneasiness, between these two players and what their roles are on the team.

If you don’t see it, you haven’t been looking closely enough or don’t have the critical eye to see it.[/quote]

Yes randman. The offense is run much more through Lebron than Wade. The fact their styles clash and Lebron hasn’t been good in clutch is irrelevant.

What matters here is who is the first option most of the time. Answer Lebron.

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Yes, I agree and that is what is causing a LOT of problems b/n DWade and Lebron, the cohesiveness of the team, and the ability to beat quality competition.

This was my point. It has been Wade’s team, in my opinion unless Wade leaves it will still be Wade’s team (this is the subtle unspoken tug of war going on), and the fact that Lebron is the first option (and should be) is what’s causing the problems I predicted they would cause.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I’m not ready to fully give up on the C’s either. But, giving up such a huge part of their core to get a guy who doesn’t really provide much [right now] is fucking retarded. And, in a 7 game series against a team with a big, athletic frontcourt that can potentially be huge. All I’m saying is, If I’m the C’s I don’t want to see Orl, Atl or Chi early on.
[/quote]

Okay. I’m with ya. I wouldn’t either if I were the Cs but I still think they can past em. The Lakers w/o Perkins? Much, much more iffy. We shall see…

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Dude just ignore him and wait for the playoffs to happen.

If I recall correctly he was calling anyone who thought Wade would be taking a supportive role to Lebron in Miami “dense” or “high.”
[/quote]

I was going to leave this one alone but decided against it. I’m going to take your stupid-ass post head on.

Do you honestly think this has become “Lebron’s team”?!? Do you honestly think Wade has taken a supportive role?!? Do you not see the obvious of what’s going on with this team right now? As I predicted, Lebron and Wade are TOO SIMILAR in style. They do not complement each other as players very well because they are so similar.

As a result, you see Lebron taking last second shots when Wade is sitting there waving his arms ready to take the last second shot. I don’t need to point out how many times lately LeBrick has been missing these shots, do I?

There is no sense of a pecking order with this team right now, no sense of identity. And there are 20 games left in the season.

Are they highly talented? Of course, with Lebron and Wade on the same team that is obvious. But you need to be a little more perceptive about the underlying tension that’s going on, the unspoken uneasiness, between these two players and what their roles are on the team.

If you don’t see it, you haven’t been looking closely enough or don’t have the critical eye to see it.[/quote]

Yes randman. The offense is run much more through Lebron than Wade. The fact their styles clash and Lebron hasn’t been good in clutch is irrelevant.

What matters here is who is the first option most of the time. Answer Lebron.

[/quote]

Yes, I agree and that is what is causing a LOT of problems b/n DWade and Lebron, the cohesiveness of the team, and the ability to beat quality competition.

This was my point. It has been Wade’s team, in my opinion unless Wade leaves it will still be Wade’s team (this is the subtle unspoken tug of war going on), and the fact that Lebron is the first option (and should be) is what’s causing the problems I predicted they would cause.[/quote]

What exactly brought you to the conclusion that this is Wade’s team based on what you’ve seen on the floor with them this year? How in the hell can it be Wade’s team if he is the 2nd option? That makes no sense. Even if there is a “subtle tug of war” going on which I’m not convinced there is LEBRON has been leading this team on the floor.

Your initial statement was that the heat will always be Wade’s team and Lebron would play a supportive role. That hasn’t happened. You are WRONG.

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You’re obviously not getting what I’m saying AT ALL. The whole crux of the argument is Wade won a championship with this team. He was the man, the identity of this team. He has been Miami. Lebron is leading this team now to what? A championship? I don’t think so. Because Wade was the number one guy and now you have two number one guys creating identity issues for the team. Not too hard to understand.

Don’t come back with me on any fucking arguments until this team WINS A CHAMPIONSHIP with Lebron clearly leading as the number one and Wade clearly playing the supporting role. We may be waiting a long, long time for this to happen. So shut the fuck up Raj.

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[quote]randman wrote:
You’re obviously not getting what I’m saying AT ALL. The whole crux of the argument is Wade won a championship with this team. He was the man, the identity of this team. He has been Miami. Lebron is leading this team now to what? A championship? I don’t think so. Because Wade was the number one guy and now you have two number one guys creating identity issues for the team. Not too hard to understand.

Don’t come back with me on any fucking arguments until this team WINS A CHAMPIONSHIP with Lebron clearly leading as the number one and Wade clearly playing the supporting role. We may be waiting a long, long time for this to happen. So shut the fuck up Raj.[/quote]

Are you serious with this shit?

Wade WAS the man in Miami. He also USE TO BE surrounded by nothing more than lottery team the last few years. Now there is a player BETTER player than him on the team - Lebron. Lebron is clearly main option and leading the team.

WTF does it matter if this teams win a championship with Lebron or not? How exactly does that have ANYTHING to do with determining who is leading them on the court PRESENTLY?

[quote]randman wrote:
He wasn’t good enough to win a championship as the Alpha Dog and quit trying and decided to “become” part of the supporting cast to Wade’s team. Stop trying to manipulate reality. This is and always WILL BE Wade’s team. Lebron is part of the supporting cast now. You got it backwards.
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If you still believe this ^^^ shit about Lebron being part of the supportive cast you are either dense or just fucking high. Don’t post again until you sober up.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Are you serious with this shit?

Wade WAS the man in Miami. He also USE TO BE surrounded by nothing more than lottery team the last few years. Now there is a player BETTER player than him on the team - Lebron. Lebron is clearly main option and leading the team.
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You are becoming my least favorite person on this thread. Yes, Lebron is a better player. But don’t tell me Wade is his supporting role. Again, you are blind if you don’t see this team struggling because you have 2 number ones on the team. Better player does not equal shit in this argument.

Yeah I was drunk when I wrote that. Don’t drink and type. I was just dissing Lebron because he had to join Wade’s team and get the stiff Bosh to try and win a championship and he still isn’t going to. It’s looking like Cleveland all over again. He he.

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MIA’s shortcomings are more about Bosh (being exposed as little more than a glorified 3) than Wade/James in crunch time. IMO

Reminds me of how that old Kidd-Jackson-Mashburn squad showed us how that setup doesn’t work. (Ok not really, but maybe kind of)

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Are you serious with this shit?

Wade WAS the man in Miami. He also USE TO BE surrounded by nothing more than lottery team the last few years. Now there is a player BETTER player than him on the team - Lebron. Lebron is clearly main option and leading the team.
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You are becoming my least favorite person on this thread. Yes, Lebron is a better player. But don’t tell me Wade is his supporting role. Again, you are blind if you don’t see this team struggling because you have 2 number ones on the team. Better player does not equal shit in this argument.

Yeah I was drunk when I wrote that. Don’t drink and type. I was just dissing Lebron because he had to join Wade’s team and get the stiff Bosh to try and win a championship and he still isn’t going to. It’s looking like Cleveland all over again. He he.[/quote]

LOL

It’s just fun arguing with you man. Ripping into someone is just part of the fun :wink: