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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
From where it stands now I don’t think the Celtics can win a playoff against Miami. I think Miami will have more motivation and more energy.[/quote]

Can you elaborate on “from where it stands now I don’t think the Celtics can win a playoff against Miami”?

You mean after the Celtics have dominated them for three straight regular season games; is this the stance you are coming from? What stance have you “concluded” this? LOL.

I think you should put your money where your mouth is. I will absolutely take on any bet with you with a Celtics-Heat playoff match this year. And please give me something of substance of why the Heat will win in the postseason against the Celts more than “cuz the Heat have Wade and Lebron”. What analysis can you give here? Please, I’m all ears.

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
For the Dwight Haters, look at the new asshole he ripped into the Lakers Defense. [/quote]

Seriously, one game in the regular season and this is your proclamation? Dwight is not that good offensively, doesn’t have that many go-to moves, and has not progressed much from year to year. He had a good game today. That is all. Let’s see him do this for a number of games over a period of time against good defenses before we get all crazy.

What happened to the NBA thread on a Sunday?!? You guyz r losing yo damn minds today…[/quote]

And yet you put so much stock over 3 regular season games between the Heat and Celtics. We’ll see how good Dwight does down the stretch. They came a few wins away from a championship a couple seasons ago, I don’t see why they couldn’t go deep again.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
And yet you put so much stock over 3 regular season games between the Heat and Celtics. We’ll see how good Dwight does down the stretch. They came a few wins away from a championship a couple seasons ago, I don’t see why they couldn’t go deep again.

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I put a huge amount of stock into the obvious advantages the Celtics have over the Heat in the areas of defense, rebounding and size. You know, the areas that win teams championships. And I don’t put as much stock into the first two wins of the season as I do today because

a) the Heat really wanted to win today considering the first two losses AND that they have been playing more cohesively and still couldn’t get it done
b) this was much closer of an ugly, slowdown playoff game than the first two games and the Celts still won
c) the Celts had three of their backup bigs out and still won and
d) the Celts have won 3 straight and it does have some bearing considering all the factors I just addressed on the strong likelihood that the Celtics will have similar success in the post season.

As for Dwight Howard, I’ll maintain that he can not carry any team to the championship on his own shoulders. He had a great game today however. And as for getting “close” a couple of years ago, the Lakers team beat them with size, defense and rebounding in 5 games to win the championship. LOL.

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
And yet you put so much stock over 3 regular season games between the Heat and Celtics. We’ll see how good Dwight does down the stretch. They came a few wins away from a championship a couple seasons ago, I don’t see why they couldn’t go deep again.

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I put a huge amount of stock into the obvious advantages the Celtics have over the Heat in the areas of defense, rebounding and size. You know, the areas that win teams championships. And I don’t put as much stock into the first two wins of the season as I do today because

a) the Heat really wanted to win today considering the first two losses AND that they have been playing more cohesively and still couldn’t get it done
b) this was much closer of an ugly, slowdown playoff game than the first two games and the Celts still won
c) the Celts had three of their backup bigs out and still won and
d) the Celts have won 3 straight and it does have some bearing considering all the factors I just addressed on the strong likelihood that the Celtics will have similar success in the post season.

As for Dwight Howard, I’ll maintain that he can not carry any team to the championship on his own shoulders. He had a great game today however. And as for getting “close” a couple of years ago, the Lakers team beat them with size, defense and rebounding in 5 games to win the championship. LOL.[/quote]

The game came down to the wire and finished with Miami getting an open 3 point shot that they missed. Not exactly a thorough beating. You’d think all that advantage in “size, defense and rebounding” category would garner a much larger margin of victory. The teams were separated by only one rebound as well. The winners could basically be interchangeable.

And I consider getting to the finals and being 3 wins away from championship “close.”

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In that '09 playoff run Hedo+Dwight basically carried that team. They’re back together on the same team, who says they couldn’t do it again?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
And yet you put so much stock over 3 regular season games between the Heat and Celtics. We’ll see how good Dwight does down the stretch. They came a few wins away from a championship a couple seasons ago, I don’t see why they couldn’t go deep again.

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I put a huge amount of stock into the obvious advantages the Celtics have over the Heat in the areas of defense, rebounding and size. You know, the areas that win teams championships. And I don’t put as much stock into the first two wins of the season as I do today because

a) the Heat really wanted to win today considering the first two losses AND that they have been playing more cohesively and still couldn’t get it done
b) this was much closer of an ugly, slowdown playoff game than the first two games and the Celts still won
c) the Celts had three of their backup bigs out and still won and
d) the Celts have won 3 straight and it does have some bearing considering all the factors I just addressed on the strong likelihood that the Celtics will have similar success in the post season.

As for Dwight Howard, I’ll maintain that he can not carry any team to the championship on his own shoulders. He had a great game today however. And as for getting “close” a couple of years ago, the Lakers team beat them with size, defense and rebounding in 5 games to win the championship. LOL.[/quote]

The game came down to the wire and finished with Miami getting an open 3 point shot that they missed. Not exactly a thorough beating. You’d think all that advantage in “size, defense and rebounding” category would garner a much larger margin of victory. The teams were separated by only one rebound as well. The winners could basically be interchangeable.

And I consider getting to the finals and being 3 wins away from championship “close.”

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So are you actually arguing the Heat’s case of winning a 7 game series against the Celtics? Because in basketball (unlike almost any other sport) the best team almost always wins barring injury to a major star.

Are you saying that the obvious advantages of size, defense, and rebounding the Celtics have over the Heat will not be enough to beat them in a 7 game series in the post-season? Care to bet on this? I’ll bet you and Getnitdone on this series in a heartbeat.

Both of you need to be put your posting and opinions on the line here if your going to keep arguing with the Celtics obvious advantages. I still have not heard any compelling “analysis” from either of you what the Heat’s advantages are over the Celtics Instead you both are challenging my anlysis of why the Celts will beat the Heat.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
In that '09 playoff run Hedo+Dwight basically carried that team. They’re back together on the same team, who says they couldn’t do it again?[/quote]

Spoken like a true NBA fan. :slight_smile: Who knows, dude, anything’s possible right?

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
And yet you put so much stock over 3 regular season games between the Heat and Celtics. We’ll see how good Dwight does down the stretch. They came a few wins away from a championship a couple seasons ago, I don’t see why they couldn’t go deep again.

[/quote]

I put a huge amount of stock into the obvious advantages the Celtics have over the Heat in the areas of defense, rebounding and size. You know, the areas that win teams championships. And I don’t put as much stock into the first two wins of the season as I do today because

a) the Heat really wanted to win today considering the first two losses AND that they have been playing more cohesively and still couldn’t get it done
b) this was much closer of an ugly, slowdown playoff game than the first two games and the Celts still won
c) the Celts had three of their backup bigs out and still won and
d) the Celts have won 3 straight and it does have some bearing considering all the factors I just addressed on the strong likelihood that the Celtics will have similar success in the post season.

As for Dwight Howard, I’ll maintain that he can not carry any team to the championship on his own shoulders. He had a great game today however. And as for getting “close” a couple of years ago, the Lakers team beat them with size, defense and rebounding in 5 games to win the championship. LOL.[/quote]

The game came down to the wire and finished with Miami getting an open 3 point shot that they missed. Not exactly a thorough beating. You’d think all that advantage in “size, defense and rebounding” category would garner a much larger margin of victory. The teams were separated by only one rebound as well. The winners could basically be interchangeable.

And I consider getting to the finals and being 3 wins away from championship “close.”

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So are you actually arguing the Heat’s case of winning a 7 game series against the Celtics? Because in basketball (unlike almost any other sport) the best team almost always wins barring injury to a major star.

Are you saying that the obvious advantages of size, defense, and rebounding the Celtics have over the Heat will not be enough to beat them in a 7 game series in the post-season? Care to bet on this? I’ll bet you and Getnitdone on this series in a heartbeat.

Both of you need to be put your posting and opinions on the line here if your going to keep arguing with the Celtics obvious advantages. I still have not heard any compelling “analysis” from either of you what the Heat’s advantages are over the Celtics Instead you both are challenging my anlysis of why the Celts will beat the Heat.[/quote]

As stated in an earlier posts, I haven’t decided who will win, but I don’t think it’s going to be a slam dunk for Boston like you seem to be convinced it is.

The main reason I brought up the Celts-Heat is because you told me it was silly to put much stock in one regular season game though you basically did the same with the Celt’s win over the Heat.

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Come on, therajraj. Reread my earlier post of why I’m putting a lot of stock in the Celtics advantages. And it’s not because of one regular season game win. Seriously, come on…

And I’m not saying it’s going to be an “easy” series. But barring injuries to any of the big four on the Celtics or the big three of the Heat, meaning that everything stays the same up until they meet in the postseason, I’m pretty comfortable calling out the Celtics in 6 over this Heat team.

Next year, again, will probably be a different story. But I’m not talking about next year…

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[quote]randman wrote:

Boston wins for the third straight time this season, wins the season series, and dominates the Heat in the third quarter despite missing three key players. [u]At this point, no one in their right mind believes Miami has a shot against Boston in an expected Eastern Conference Finals.[/u]

He he he.[/quote]

Alright, but with this ^ post I wasn’t completely sure.

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I mean the Celtics almost collapsed in the 4th, Paul Pierce looked awful!!

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

Boston wins for the third straight time this season, wins the season series, and dominates the Heat in the third quarter despite missing three key players. [u]At this point, no one in their right mind believes Miami has a shot against Boston in an expected Eastern Conference Finals.[/u]

He he he.[/quote]

Alright, but with this ^ post I wasn’t completely sure.[/quote]

I just reposted a quote I found on the website page the link points to. I didn’t write the language myself. Did you think I wrote that? And if so, I guess I was under the assumption that if I’m posting a link and some verbiage down below the link that it would be obvious I was stealing the text from the link web page.

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
From where it stands now I don’t think the Celtics can win a playoff against Miami. I think Miami will have more motivation and more energy.[/quote]

Can you elaborate on “from where it stands now I don’t think the Celtics can win a playoff against Miami”?

You mean after the Celtics have dominated them for three straight regular season games; is this the stance you are coming from? What stance have you “concluded” this? LOL.

I think you should put your money where your mouth is. I will absolutely take on any bet with you with a Celtics-Heat playoff match this year. And please give me something of substance of why the Heat will win in the postseason against the Celts more than “cuz the Heat have Wade and Lebron”. What analysis can you give here? Please, I’m all ears. [/quote]

It’s just a feeling I have. I’m not going to bet on anything because I haven’t gone out and posted like I’ve made a proper prediction or anything. It started because I said “I find it hard to imagine Boston beating Miami in a 7 game series.” The main factors in me drawing that conclusion was how well Miami plays when they play with coherency. I’m aware Boston has a size advantage but I think that’s offset by Miami’s potential to shoot the living daylights out. Added to that I think Miami will have fresher legs and be more determined to put it all out there come playoff time.

As for more than LeBron and Wade, you’re a Laker’s fan, surely you can’t say that you never go into a playoff series without thinking “we have Kobe, they don’t” - if you know what I mean.

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[quote]randman wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]randman wrote:

Boston wins for the third straight time this season, wins the season series, and dominates the Heat in the third quarter despite missing three key players. [u]At this point, no one in their right mind believes Miami has a shot against Boston in an expected Eastern Conference Finals.[/u]

He he he.[/quote]

Alright, but with this ^ post I wasn’t completely sure.[/quote]

I just reposted a quote I found on the website page the link points to. I didn’t write the language myself. Did you think I wrote that? And if so, I guess I was under the assumption that if I’m posting a link and some verbiage down below the link that it would be obvious I was stealing the text from the link web page. [/quote]

LOL - Yes I knew I am not retarded.

Come on man, why would you post that if it didn’t align with your views?

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It did align with my views but I also would not have said it quite that strongly or obnoxiously. It just seemed like you were responding to the actual text of the quote like I personally wrote it. I guess what I was trying to get across that many of those that follow the NBA (i.e. analysts, long-time fans, etc) generally agree that size and defense wins championships and therefore most are stating the obvious: Celts over Heat this year.

The Celtics have the advantages in these departments so why in the heck would you be picking the Heat in a 7 game series over the Celtics? I’m surprised this view is evoking such a response from you and Getnitdone. Do you really think this view is controversial, off, etc?

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[quote]randman wrote:
It did align with my views but I also would not have said it quite that strongly or obnoxiously. It just seemed like you were responding to the actual text of the quote like I personally wrote it. I guess what I was trying to get across that many of those that follow the NBA (i.e. analysts, long-time fans, etc) generally agree that size and defense wins championships and therefore most are stating the obvious: Celts over Heat this year.

The Celtics have the advantages in these departments so why in the heck would you be picking the Heat in a 7 game series over the Celtics? I’m surprised this view is evoking such a response from you and Getnitdone. Do you really think this view is controversial, off, etc?[/quote]

I brought it up because you told me I shouldn’t put much stock in Dwight Howard’s play today. So I pointed out how you (at least appeared to) put a lot of stock in the 3 REGULAR season games between the Heat and Celts

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But that aside, I didn’t see a whole lot of Celtic dominance today. If the Heat had gotten anything from their bench they would’ve won. It felt like Eddie House and Mike Miller missed a billion open shots.

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Dwight has been playing for many years now. My main criticism of him is that he’s not progressed offensively that much since he started in the NBA and thus will be hard pressed to lead a team to a championshiop. This is a common criticism that many TV sports analysts have also spoken about. Thus he has a “good” game today and you give the impression that he’s now arrived because he shredded the Laker’s defense.

How is this scenario even closely related to a Heat team that just got together THIS year; are outmatched in the size and defense department AND lost all 3 games to the Celtics this year?

Again, seriously? How are you making this connection to these two scenarios that are not even closely related?

My head hurts…

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
But that aside, I didn’t see a whole lot of Celtic dominance today. If the Heat had gotten anything from their bench they would’ve won. It felt like Eddie House and Mike Miller missed a billion open shots.[/quote]

Paul Pierce was hurting with a wrist and ankle injury and didn’t hit any of his shots as a result; his own words: I was grinding it out. Also, the Celtics have like 5 players out and three bigs.

Miami really wanted revenge this game, had lost the prior two games, Lebron carried them and still couldn’t hit a clutch free throw shot when it counted; their support couldn’t hit open jumpers when it counted and you take this as a positive for how “close” Miami made it???

Man, I’ll tell ya, fans SEE what they WANT to see.

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Regarding the whole MIA vs BOS debate…

Ummm, what debate?? Anyone who’s watched enough late-season pro hoops knows that those late rounds are knock down, drag out, halfcourt games where every possession matters. It’s in those rounds where disciplined execution (ie BOS) wins out over the athleticism edge (MIA), year in and year out. Nevermind that BOS is mentally tougher than MIA as well.

Assuming both squads are healthy MIA has zero chance of beating BOS in a best-of-seven, not this year anyway…