For me, if I had a peak testosterone reading of 650 as the op has, pinning twice a week, my trough would be low enough that I’d feel way less than optimal.
Improvements in what? I have tested for the past 20 years between 500 to 1000. I can’t ever tell one difference. Nor can I tell any difference between testing at 900 on Monday versus 700 on Friday.
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How?
I think a peak of 1000 is reasonable, will most likely result in a trough of 5-600 if injecting E7D, possibly closer to 750 E3.5 days.
On 140 E7D I was always around 650 at trough and knew it was time to inject because my right testicle would begin to ache.
In the 300s or lower with symptoms and perhaps abnormal FSH and LH. I will not refer anyone seeking to “optimize” or “talk to him” or seek any edge. My guy is top notch, been with him for 20 years, helped me have kids, and I drive about an hour to see him when before I moved it was like 20 minutes. He was once chairman of urology at a hospital on LI and has a highly impressive amount of published literature.
Energy, libido, sexual function, body composition, mood, strength, etc.
Plus, objectively, lipids, BP.
Sorry to hear. I believe it. I have heard that, it’s uncommon though.
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I have been fortunate enough to need a only one change in 20 years. My T went to 1500 on daily ten grams of Androgel and he lowered it to 5 grams for awhile.
Otherwise When I took Androgel or Testim I took the prescribed 10 grams per day. I’ve taken 100 mg of T per week since switching to injections.
I have not had one issue with TRT besides the temporary one I mentioned and that was in 2004.
Same.
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t a r e l o a d = r e a d a l o t
Welcome back!
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How what? When my trough is 650, I don’t feel that great. Which means that when my peak would be around 650, my trough would be even lower.
I feel my best when my trough is anywhere north of 800. That’s the level it takes for me to have symptom relief.
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I do not say this to be argumentative, but this puzzles me.
Talk of function and well being affected by fluctuations in the normal range implies eugonadal men are in an ongoing state of fluctuating function and well being.
It may imply that if eugonadal men have similar fluctuations as someone who is hypogonadal, on exogenous testosterone.
Which symptoms… like brain fog, energy etc or more libido / sexual etc? I’ll be honest about my experience. I went to my PCP because I had low energy and my body comp had gone to shit despite 5x week workouts for 20 years and good nutrition. I also had brain fog. I looked 12 years old at 30 years of age too. I had a STRONG libido despite all of this and figured it wasn’t testosterone related but what the hell. I was surprised to see my results and consequently referred to an endo where I started my journey but am now treated at Defy for the ‘generosity’ they provide.
My point in the above is I was surprised I had low T to begin with but by looking at me one would assume at that point that I did have some issue. I started on a higher protocol and as my Endo decided to constantly reduce me I freaked out and jumped ship to a clinic. I honestly didn’t notice any difference in the protocols as I mentioned above but I got wrapped up in this board and having higher FT levels. I honestly can’t say if I would have ‘felt’ a difference in a mid range or lower protocol as even on my lowest dose I never read below 700ng/dl on a trough day.
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About the most concise answer I can find in one post on the internet.
https://t-nation.com/t/realistic-trt-recomp-progress/253389/3311
search the terms “RIA” “free Testosterone” “equilibrium dialysis” on here for more bits and pieces and fun trivia that I think are practical and interesting (win-win).
unfortunately you can’t filter search results by username “readalot” since that user was banned :-).
Hopefully @RT_Nomad will find them practically useful too!
@Andrewgen_Receptors read this thread as well:
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Not likely. I don’t see AAS’s in my future. But thanks for your concern.
it’s regarding accurate characterization of fT levels with TRT. So related to AAS in a TRT setting.
Never know till you click and read 
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Thanks again. But I have both tested (feedback) and, at least for now, both are mid-range.
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LMFAO. Love you man.
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I’ve gone up and down over the years. I’ve never felt different. The only thing I noticed is that I was stronger on my lifts when I accidentally added extra to my dose for a few weeks.
Right now after not having a shot in almost two months, I still feel fine. I don’t feel any different.
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For reference, before TRT, my total t level was 170.
I had terrible brain fog and short term memory issues. No motivation, no energy despite 8 hours of sleep per night. When I fought through the lack of energy, and worked out, I saw no results. Libido and sexual function were horrible. Apparently my t levels were so low that I was constantly called “ma’am” on the phone. While I was on 100mg of test per week close to the beginning of being on trt, my symptoms were better than before being on t, but the issues weren’t alleviated. I think somewhere around 200mg per week is probably optimal for me. At this dose, I don’t notice any of my prior symptoms.
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