As below, only for 6-7 weeks and not on cruises, just blasts. I went with npp because i believe that orals are more damaging long term.
That’s why i was going to add a low dose of proviron to get rid of the libido side effects while on cycle.
If not npp is recommended, what do you recommend to add later?
What they are saying is it can be a long road to recovery as in years. I’m on the fence about this being permanent but there are plenty of anecdotes of gents using Deca/NPP even in small doses and battling ED for years. I was PRESCRIBED Deca by my TRT doc long before I knew how to advocate for myself. It cause ED probs for me for almost a year. That was on 150mg/wk.
Look I’m a little guy like yourself however even when I had low T I was able to bulk up to 175lbs at 5’7". After TRT with in range high normal test… 190lbs and leaner. Shoot for 160-165lbs if you want to stay lean and then reevaluate. Plus you really should wait until you’re older.
Thanks for the reply, I understand what you’re saying but don’t believe that this is something that always happens. Since I already have the NPP, are there any supplements that I can use to battle this risk as much as possible?
My logic was that I wanted to add something to the test to get a bigger bang for the buck since test is more expensive where I live…
As mentioned I bought proviron which can help with the libidy during the cycle, but in my understanding it’s unwise to keep taking proviron after the blast even though I may possible cruise afterwards…
And I don’t have any expectations so we’ll see how I feel when this test kicks in, wasn’t planning on pinning the NPP until 2-3 weeks in anyways…
Also, were you on 150mg/w trt of deca? Do you think 150mg/w of npp for 6 weeks will hurt that bad? Have a good one mate.
Cardiac, neurological, endocrine risks of nandrolone outdo that or many other AAS… is 150mg a harmful dose? Perhaps… perhaps not
@theleangentleman has only run two short cycles, appears to have symptomatic cardiomyopathy… there is no “safe” in this game, you’re rolling the dice… so why roll the dice even more than you need to?
Like putting an extra bullet in the chamber when playing Russian roulette.
I’ve used nandrolone for a few weeks… once… didn’t experience ED, but it did feel numb down there, ejaculating proved difficult (took a while), and the pleasurable feeling associated with orgasm just wasn’t all that great anymore. This was on sub 100mg weekly
Joints felt fucking FANTASTIC though, and relief lasted a fair duration longer than the time I was on for. It’s not something I’d use unless it was a last resort
There are many other compounds that can be used in place of nandrolone that while still risky, don’t carry the same sheer magnitude of risk to ones health (both psychological and psychological) that nandrolone does
Test is more expensive than Nandrolone where you live? What country do you reside in? For me the more expensive ones are masteron, primobolan, winny, var, tbol and halo… I’ve only ever tried mast (low doses, from 50-200mg weekly)
Yeah I mean, I wanted this to be a bulking cycle. That’s why the first thing that got to my head after researching was NPP. I was considering Turinabol as well but didn’t want to mess too much with orals…
Look man, I’m 20 years old. Sure I’m young and full of cum but I don’t go out partying every week with my friends to find girls that I can smash. I have a family now, life’s different.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t care if I got an erectile dysfunction, but I believe there are a lot of levels to this. I’m running this cycle to see how things are, but if I decide to throw away the NPP… What would you recommend that has less downsides?
I am an explorer in my nature self and I like to try different things, so with that aside I know there are risks that have to be considered when jumping on this stuff. With that being said, shoot me a beginner friendly bulking cycle that you’d recommend me IF test doesn’t cut it for me.
3500 clean calories per day, high protein, high carb low fat diet.
6 days per week (legs,push,pull) - very focused on building strength on the compound lifts (that’s why I ordered NPP for the joints and strength).
Hope to hear from you soon.
Thanks in advance!
I assume then this was you’re lifestyle prior?
I’m not comfortable dispensing such advice, it’s easy to look at medical literature/anecdotes and determine which compounds may be more/less harmful
primo is probs the best bet if you can actually get real primo
How long have you been focused on the compound lifts?
You would put on plenty of size getting these lifts up by 50 kg each without drugs. I am not trying to put you down, those numbers are doable for most natty lifters (in fact they are a bit on the low side of things for starting AAS in my opinion). Part of the reason to get the most gains before you cycle is to be sure that you will stick with lifting long term. What percent of 20 year old lifters are still going at 40? It isn’t very high.
I would not touch deca, npp or tren. My dick working is worth more than 5 lbs of muscle. As others have said, you need to build some more muscle before you go on gear, and actually understand the risks of using.
Ultimately, you are going to make your decision, just keep in mind that your risk assessment / decision making parts of your brain are not fully developed yet. You need to be careful. Please think about this more.
Thank you for the comment.
I’ve just started training strength afasin (first week) after 2 years of full body (isolation).
Mind you, my bones are small. I weighed 110 pounds before I started training. And been consistent with the training ever since. Also note that a daughter at 19 years old and a business at 20 didn’t stop me from going to the gym. It’s a lifestyle by now and I will commit in doing everything in my power to reach my goals… even though all of my old lifting pals don’t train anymore lol.
I hope to build some strength with this program that I’m on right now as well. And will not try tren ever…
Here’s a pic from todays workout:
You are going to do what you are going to do. For don’t use the npp. You can save it.
Hi mate you don’t know how your body will react to certain compounds. That’s why your better of using test alone for the first couple of cycles. You don’t know how you will aromatise from the test and haven’t figured out how much a.i you will need. Then your thinking of putting npp into the mix, if you run into problems your making things much more complicated for yourself and at 140 pounds and your age, you should grow like a weed naturally.
Thanks for the info but already started the cycle.
Update:
Gained 15 pounds in 2 weeks, apart from the overall great and stable mood and the mad pumps I’ve noticed slight water retention and more sweat when I sleep at night.
Looking forward to see what the following 8 weeks can bring me. I will order an AI to keep at hand in case I get gyno and will most likely get caber which I can use in worst case scenario.
No dramatic strength gains yet but I get insane pumps and don’t seem to gain a lot of fat.
Appetite exploded a few days in so by now I eat approx 3500-4000 calories per day and an growing like a weed. Also noticing more veins and more redish skin when pumped which I believe come from the Proviron…
Big, fat facepalm
What?
You’re making a big mistake IMO. Just that
Can you specify why I’m making a big mistake? Thanks.
It’s just my opinion. You’ve been training for a relatively short time, and you aren’t particularly big or strong. You look good, but you’re nowhere near your genetic potential.
You are doing something that, no matter how much you think you’ve read and learned about, will mess you up permanently. You are effectively throwing dices and have no control over the way your body will react.
And all of this for what? Gains that, if you keep training consistently, you would have achieved anyway, given enough time? You aren’t making a living out of it, so what’s the deal? Are you so insecure about yourself to feel like it’s worth it to risk throwing your life away for some muscle mass?
You don’t need to give me an answer, but please do answer those questions for yourself. You stated you have children. Is your vanity worth more than the pain they will have to go through should you get ill from your own bad decisions? Not trying to judge, you have to answer those question yourself. But regardless of what the answer will be, DO take this into consideration.
I have been training for around four years as well, I am literally your same age, and I want to be bigger, leaner, and stronger so bad. I’m very dedicated and consistent. But I would never do something stupid like taking steroids (which isn’t always stupid, but in my context you could argue it’s probably the stupidest decision one can take) for gains.
So yeah, that’s why I think you’re making a big ass mistake: You are trading (or betting?) your health for some muscle that won’t even earn you or your family a living.
Pic 3 is nice. But I feel that you need some mature muscle that will come from compound movements and years of training.
You are off to a great start! You look better than most of the guys I see at the gyms I go to. Me not included!
It’s telling that the Pharma forum is by far the busiest on this site. Your post is 100% what I’ve been thinking for a while now, but didn’t have the guts to say. You’re a much braver man than I am.
This thread reminds me of the Adderall epidemic on colleges. If you need that to pass a basic intro course, what are you going to do when the classes get truly hard and require 80 hours of work per week? If you need PEDs to essentially get beginner gains, what the hell are you going to be taking when it’s time to really push the scale to your genetic limits?
Edit: Wow his Bench/Squat/Deadlift is only 225/315/405 too
