I pinned prop EOD for like 4 weeks leading into a show and that sucked hard; I wouldn’t want to do that for 20. Why not use a longer ester like E or C?
Yup. Average Joes think they are WAY less than they really are. I recently had one of the tennis coaches at my gym notice my recomp and ask my BF. I told him mid teens as a guess an he was like ‘that much!’. Most guys have no idea what a true 10% or less looks like.+
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Well, now you are making me feel fat lol. If you’ve cut from where you where in your avatar, and now are mid teens, I don’t know what that means for me lol. I guess I’ll go more by mirror.
No no, I was mid teens in the avatar and I’ve always disclosed that’s an unfair pic. I’m not a pic guy but I had good lighting and a wicked pump that day so I snapped a good one. After that pic I got a little soft and my recomp got me back looking basically the same as in my Avatar with a little more veins and a little less belly bloat. I still owe you a pic.
Hey guys, back from vacation and back on this discovery. Thanks for the help.
I’ve been reading posts on here about things going terribly wrong, natural test not being able to start back up. I really don’t have time for for that. But you guys are saying 20 weeks isn’t that much of a difference from 16 weeks. Testicle size is not the only reason why i wanted to use HCG, I also wanted a head start in boosting my natural test during the end of the cycle.
I purchased test prop because of how fast it starts working and leaves the system in case something goes wrong. It’s also used more in cutting cycles which i like. I’ll switch to E when the prop is all used up. Apparently there isn’t much concrete evidence saying prop is better than other ester for cutting.
If that’s the case then what are cutting cycles? Are they finishing contest touches? Skin tightening and such?
Here are some pics of me
I was 205 in december
This was right before i started the cycle at 185 april ish
This is me 6 weeks into the cycle right after conditioning class
7 weeks
Looking to recomp and be stronger pound for pound. Maybe looking to drop down to a 165-168 walking around weight so i can box 160. I want results like this. This man stayed the same weight but got bigger.
Currently walking around 182.
It isn’t, test is test. Some say less water retention but I never noticed that. If you want quick in/out then it’s a good choice. And don’t mind daily injections
Looking at your pics - you dont need steroids. You could have gotten as fat as 205 natty and you can get muuuuuch leaner without drugs than you are now.
The dude in the pics you want to look like, is 99% natty. He is just black - so dont try to look like people with different heights or race or genetics. You need to compare yourself to other chubby asian fighters, not a lean black dude 
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If you are going 20 weeks and PCT, I would take hCG throughout at a mild dose like 250 IU 3 times per week.
Caveat: you could get bigger E2 by doing that and maybe require an AI. But your balls will not let you down after the cycle
Before I decide to discontinue I’m just wondering what is it about test that hinders fat loss ? Ever since I started this cycle I’ve only lost 2 lbs. I’ve had so many 6-8 mile runs and salads afterwards and it’s still so hard to drop the weight.
I do feel like my muscles are more full, like I’m not really on calorie deficit or low carb.
One thing i would do diff is to get a body scan before the cycle and now to see how much my BMI and muscle % changed .if I see increased muscle mass and lower bf I would say it’s worth it .
@boxer152 We’ve said this on this board hundreds of times. Steroids don’t drop weight. They are for building muscle. It’s up to you to burn the fat. 6-8 mile runs and eating “salad” (which could mean anything) is not going to get you cut. Running 6-8 miles is going to burn calories and beat up your joints. You will also lose muscle doing that. And if that is your approach, a cycle isn’t going to help you.
Rethink your diet and your approach to fitness.
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You are making it so much more complicated than it needs to be, just like the fact that you actually take steroids to bulk to an average looking fattie(im sorry, it is just how it is in your case) and now you want steroids to lose some weight… Body scans and BMI - its all bullshit.
Its calories in vs calories out. You could have gotten this fat with no steroids, and you can get a six pack with NO steroids, man.
You need to look more into training and diet, not drugs. This is the reason why you ask questions like this
its not that drugs hinder it, it is your knowledge of nutrition and exercise that hinders it… you started heavy artillery on your first step, and now you are stuck, because you have nowhere to go from this… you already did it ALL, but since you lack any basic knowledge, steroids cant fix that… you did icing on the cake with no cake…
As fat as you are in the first picture - i have been fixing guys and girls who are my clients in 3-6 months with DIET and EXERCISE with absolutely NO TEST and NO DRUGS, man…
I have had girl clients who were as fat as you and now are half the size, who did it in 6 months of good diet and good exercise…
There was no steroids in that picture …just beer and a long term relationship lol didn’t start the cycle until I was skinnier.
My bad last thing, so when would I actually need drugs ? If I ever decide to get into bodybuilding and gain as much muscle as possible? Thank you.
Steroids are for
1)Older or sick people who need to get their stuff in range
2)Good athletes looking for that last 5% edge over others
3)Athletes who suck(like me) who are looking to fill in the gaps, and take their average genetics to an elite level, but never get anywhere anyways.
Steroids dont work on their own. They make you more of what you are. If you are a bit chubby now, they will just make more of that. If you are lean as fuck, you might get fuller and leaner.
Steroids dont make night and day difference unless you have those elite genetics.
If my natty limit of deadlift would be around 500lbs then with steroids i can hope to achieve 650-700… but the thing is that i need to KNOW how to get to those 500, so when i do steroids, i actually know what to do to push past that.
You need to be able to look and do the stuff you want to do natty, in order for you to know how to utilize steroids.
So when you will be able to get fat, and be able to get skinny being natural, you will take steroids and when you get fat then you will also get big and strong. And when you start getting skinny you will become lean, and full.
But people who cant diet themselves to just skinny, will never be able to be lean and shredded on steroids also. They make you a better version of what you are, but the more shit you are now, the less they can help.
did you train natural before using that tons of gear ?
Well, while using this amount of AAS he certainly won’t 
@boxer152 AAS hinder MUSCLE loss in a deficit and that is only necessary once you reach 10% BF. Before that, if you are doing it mildly right, you won’t lose muscle anyway.
300 mg per week is also maybe double the natural upper limit so a reasonable dose for a cut, but at your stage not necessary.
You can continue your cycle and just drop calories to 1500 kcal while training and you’ll be shredded in no time. (I do not advice to drop calories below RMR)
I forgot to put down one of the reasons why I started this cycle was faster recuperation from my running/boxing/HIIT workouts while calorie deficit.
I think this is why even thought I’m low/carb caloric deficit I still feel like my muscles are full.
I’ll try that 1500 Cals a day
Yes. I actually have a lot of experience training just no experience with fat loss cuz I never had to do it. Before when I was young my metabolism was fast and all I did was eat and train. Started lifting when I was 17 this was me when I was 20. I’m 28 now.
Now that work, alcohol, and long term relationship got into the equation I’ve gotten off the rails. Can’t follow a bodybuilding routine like I used to cuz of marathon running and boxing so tryna learn more about nutrition and fat loss.
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Do you think I can get away from lowering my dosage a little bit ?
Actually, I don’t think this is a bad reason to use. Recovery on a diet is slowed down. AAS use will certainly increase work capacity and aid in recovery. You should still have waited before starting, just to be clear.
I think if you lower it, you won’t have any benefit besides maybe a little bit less cardiovascular risk. I would add in hCG to not kill your balls with this cycle. 200 or 300 won’t make a difference from a PCT standpoint but could make a difference in the benefits. From 200 I don’t think you’ll notice anything.
My advice would be: add in HCG and end the cycle at either 16 or 20 weeks. Start PCT in week 19/23. Cut calories down to your resting metabolic rate now, but don’t go lower. This will give you the fastest fat loss but will be unpleasant, even Test can’t prevent the shitty feeling.