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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

But sagging pants are just as hated on white kids. [/quote]

I would disagree there completely. Even though it has been a growing style for over TWO DECADES, there are still many associating this with only “young black thugs”…despite its hip hop influence currently.

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One of these groups is going to have to assimilate into the other.[/quote]

Why is that?

I do believe many would state that thsi is exactly what the problem is.

Why should my decided culture in this country be “assimilated”?

I would think the fact that rap did not die out like many thought and the fact that Hip Hop is the most recognized world wide musical and cultural phenom in history makes that statement incorrect.

Wrong, SOCIETY has not decided that. The “majority” seems to think that way however…while the rest of society does not seem to have the same issues with it.

I know I sure as hell don’t take a “stand against it”. It doesn’t bother me at all. I see it every damn day.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

My original questions were for you to give examples of how this bias might have affected you. You just told me it was staring me in the face. Your actual examples were this thread and some classmates whispering about how you were on AA. You then created a scenario where blacks are being passed up on promotions and raises because of this bias. Do you know these people? Are you one of them? How do you know they’re being passed up?
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Wait…so your stance is that there is no racism, if I can’t personally experience all aspects of it?
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Have you ever considered that less racism exists than you may think?
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Seriously?

How much racism do you think I think exists?

How much is “tolerable” to you?
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I reread that and it sounds bad. I meant to ask if you’ve ever considered that a situation you may have construed as racist actually wasn’t.

I would prefer none, but you can wish in one hand and crap in the other. Turns out we all have to play our parts.

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

My original questions were for you to give examples of how this bias might have affected you. You just told me it was staring me in the face. Your actual examples were this thread and some classmates whispering about how you were on AA. You then created a scenario where blacks are being passed up on promotions and raises because of this bias. Do you know these people? Are you one of them? How do you know they’re being passed up?
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Wait…so your stance is that there is no racism, if I can’t personally experience all aspects of it?
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Have you ever considered that less racism exists than you may think?
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I quite frankly think it is getting worse. Here in the US as well as in Europe. Actually, especially in Europe.

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Wondering why this was ignored.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

But sagging pants are just as hated on white kids. [/quote]

I would disagree there completely. Even though it has been a growing style for over TWO DECADES, there are still many associating this with only “young black thugs”…despite its hip hop influence currently.

I agree with you that one culture should not have to assimilate into another. However, neither side is going to budge on this issue. We appear to have reached an impasse.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

But sagging pants are just as hated on white kids. [/quote]

I would disagree there completely. Even though it has been a growing style for over TWO DECADES, there are still many associating this with only “young black thugs”…despite its hip hop influence currently.

I agree with you that one culture should not have to assimilate into another. However, neither side is going to budge on this issue. We appear to have reached an impasse.
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And during an impasse, you either blaze through your opposition and win or surrender.

It’s been two decades.

They ain’t pulling those pants up to please y’all. It may be time to let it go and stop labeling every black kid you see like this as a threat.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

My original questions were for you to give examples of how this bias might have affected you. You just told me it was staring me in the face. Your actual examples were this thread and some classmates whispering about how you were on AA. You then created a scenario where blacks are being passed up on promotions and raises because of this bias. Do you know these people? Are you one of them? How do you know they’re being passed up?
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Wait…so your stance is that there is no racism, if I can’t personally experience all aspects of it?
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Have you ever considered that less racism exists than you may think?
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I quite frankly think it is getting worse. Here in the US as well as in Europe. Actually, especially in Europe.

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Wondering why this was ignored.

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Because to address it would require the statement of “Equality also means the absence of preferential treatment” to be made.

This statement will make many people uncomfortable.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

But sagging pants are just as hated on white kids. [/quote]

I would disagree there completely. Even though it has been a growing style for over TWO DECADES, there are still many associating this with only “young black thugs”…despite its hip hop influence currently.

I agree with you that one culture should not have to assimilate into another. However, neither side is going to budge on this issue. We appear to have reached an impasse.
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And during an impasse, you either blaze through your opposition and win or surrender.

It’s been two decades.

They ain’t pulling those pants up to please y’all. It may be time to let it go and stop labeling every black kid you see like this as a threat.

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Those who don’t pull their pants up can do whatever they want, they just better show up do job interviews in suits and ties. Because, if they don’t, they’re dead in the water.

Two decades isn’t that long in the scheme of things. I guess we’ll have to see what happens when the sag pants people grow up and are in charge. I’m sure they’ll just hate whatever else the young black kids are wearing.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

it is much more than an annoyance that much like the op…I am seen as a negative from skin color alone.[/quote]

Are you saying the individuals in this thread with negative biases towards blacks are representative of the whole of white people’s view on blacks, because they are saying that the actions of the black individuals in the linked story are representative of the whole of black people? [/quote]

It doesn’t matter if they are representative of the whole.[/quote]

It does though, because you go on to say:

Which is projecting the behavior of an individual upon an entire group that is significantly larger than that one person.

So either individuals represent the whole all the time or none of the time. You, I nor anyone can pick and choose which times an individual represents a whole. They either do, or they don’t.

I tend to side on the assumption that no single individual represents the whole of a particular group, and would even go as far as to say that someone is setting themselves up for failure if they take small pockets of similar individuals and assume the represent the entirety of a group.

[quote]I wish the Mods had left the title the way it was.
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Yes, dude was race baiting. Yes other people seemed to play along.

But just like these three kids dont’t represent the general behavior of bored teens all over America, neither do people posting on a small-ish message board.

And that is my point.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

Those who don’t pull their pants up can do whatever they want, they just better show up do job interviews in suits and ties. Because, if they don’t, they’re dead in the water.[/quote]

But that isn’t the issue. I don’t wear tank tops to work…but you can bet I am in one 99% of the time outside of work. I wouldn’t go to an interview like that.

Should I stop wearing tanks because you wouldn’t go to an interview that way?

I would disagree with this. Two decades is literally long enough to create an entire sub culture and way too long for a simple passing trend…much like Hip Hop itself.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

It doesn’t matter if they are representative of the whole.[/quote]

It does though, because you go on to say:

Which is projecting the behavior of an individual upon an entire group that is significantly larger than that one person. [/quote]

That is because this is about MAJORITY PERSPECTIVE in a broad sense…which as we can see right here sees “sagging pants” alone as some sign of negative criminal intent…when that isn’t true at all.

Do you think that most white people see sagging pants as “culturally accepted”?

If not, then the statement stands.

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So either individuals represent the whole all the time or none of the time. You, I nor anyone can pick and choose which times an individual represents a whole. They either do, or they don’t. [/quote]

True, and in regards to the one issue of “dress” I do believe they represent the majority…of the majority.
As far as this case is concerned, I think the initial emotional response is indicative of enough of “society” for it to hold people back in a broad sense.

That is simply my opinion.

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I tend to side on the assumption that no single individual represents the whole of a particular group, and would even go as far as to say that someone is setting themselves up for failure if they take small pockets of similar individuals and assume the represent the entirety of a group. [/quote]

But blacks get that on a daily basis. No one says a thing against it until another black person raises hell.

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Yes, dude was race baiting. Yes other people seemed to play along.

But just like these three kids dont’t represent the general behavior of bored teens all over America, neither do people posting on a small-ish message board.

And that is my point. [/quote]

You may be right…but these guys seem to speak up quite a bit and there aren’t enough people standing against their words.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

My original questions were for you to give examples of how this bias might have affected you. You just told me it was staring me in the face. Your actual examples were this thread and some classmates whispering about how you were on AA. You then created a scenario where blacks are being passed up on promotions and raises because of this bias. Do you know these people? Are you one of them? How do you know they’re being passed up?
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Wait…so your stance is that there is no racism, if I can’t personally experience all aspects of it?
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Have you ever considered that less racism exists than you may think?
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I quite frankly think it is getting worse. Here in the US as well as in Europe. Actually, especially in Europe.

[/quote]

Wondering why this was ignored.

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Because to address it would require the statement of “Equality also means the absence of preferential treatment” to be made.

This statement will make many people uncomfortable. [/quote]

Possibly not as many as you think.

When one aspect of society got “preferential treatment” for over 300 years, the past 20 years aren’t a blip on the radar.

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I’ll say that upon further reflection, PX is clearly right. We all live our lives on personal experience and I had no place making some of the claims I did. What started out as curiosity tail spun into something that I’m not proud of. The answer of “because society says so” has never been acceptable to me and I just used it in an argument.

I should’ve just kept out of threads like these. Oh well.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Do you think that most white people see sagging pants as “culturally accepted”?

If not, then the statement stands.[/quote]

I can only speak for my circle, my bubble so to speak, but: No. We don’t see it that way, shit we all wear our pants low. Finding a good tailor that will cut my pants where I wear them is damn near impossible.

That said, the real low sag, like below their ass, we find silly. Not negative silly, but just silly and uncomfortable. Shti the skater kids (who are mostly white kids) wear their pants down low too, and I’ll be damned they can board like that, but they can.

However I don’t see acceptance as even necessary. Broad spectrum it is a PC, utopian pipe dream. Tolerance is the only goal that is reasonable. Because people aren’t going to agree on everything. Their is almost nothing that is universally accepted. SO in that sense, I do think it is tolerated. But tolerance doesn’t mean that people can’t have a negative opinion or criticize it.

Not all criticism is anti black either.

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I think the initial emotional response is indicative of enough of “society” for it to hold people back in a broad sense.

That is simply my opinion.[/quote]

I don’t think your opinion is wrong, however if the Martin case had not just happened, this likely wouldn’t have been headline news.

Every action has a reaction, and you can only push a positive so much before it becomes a negative.

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But blacks get that on a daily basis. No one says a thing against it until another black person raises hell.[/quote]

So do whites. Shit look at the hypocritical contradictory “white privilege” bullshit. I get daily reminders that I’m automatically a racist everyday because I’m white. I start with a strike against me too. And when I comment on this I had people call me a bunch of names right here on this board.

I see the utter hate minority conservatives get almost daily, from other minorities… This isn’t a “white person problem”, this is a “person” problem.

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but these guys seem to speak up quite a bit and there aren’t enough people standing against their words.[/quote]

Ignoring it isn’t condoning it.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

I should’ve just kept out of threads like these. Oh well.[/quote]

Holy shit dude, no offense, but you just learned something, confronted your own bias and grew as a person.

How the hell is your conclusion that you should stay out of these type of conversations?

In my opinion you should have more of them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

When one aspect of society got “preferential treatment” for over 300 years, the past 20 years aren’t a blip on the radar.[/quote]

So do the races have to “change places” in order to have equality then?

I mean I get what you are saying, and the idea behind the unequal treatment is valid in many ways.

However, you have people becoming adults that had jack and shit to do with any of that, see the world entirely differently, and being legislated into not being equal, even though they are told they have to treat everyone equal from day one…

I don’t think blow back, frustration and confusion are all that unexpected results.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

I should’ve just kept out of threads like these. Oh well.[/quote]

Holy shit dude, no offense, but you just learned something, confronted your own bias and grew as a person.

How the hell is your conclusion that you should stay out of these type of conversations?

In my opinion you should have more of them. [/quote]

I was considering writing on how I wouldn’t want an employee who sags, not because I care, but because I care what society thinks. Then I realized that’s bullshit and completely out of character. I wear cutoff sweatpants 99% of the time when not in a professional setting and I’m sure a lot of people don’t like that.

Other stuff I could’ve presented a lot better.

Still think PX is a dickhead, lol.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

I was considering writing on how I wouldn’t want an employee who sags,[/quote]

Depends on the type of profession you are in. If I was running a plumbing shop, I wouldn’t give two shits as long as their bare ass skin wasn’t showing, and he/she ran pipe like a motherfucker.

If I was running a law firm, I would frown upon it. You represent your firm 24/7. I wouldn’t be happy with sloppy dress, low sagging pants, cut offs, stained shirt, sweats in public, unkept facial hair, odd hair cuts, out-of-the norm piercings, etc…

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Still think PX is a dickhead, lol.[/quote]

Well, that “dickhead” just took part in your personal growth and a moment when your eyes opened up a little bit…

So maybe he is the whole dick and not just the head? :wink:

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
and the idea behind the unequal treatment is valid in many ways.

. [/quote]

I’m talking about modern AA type things of today when I say this, to be clear.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Oh fuck it I give up![/quote]

You did fine, dude.

It was nice discussing it with you.

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Haha, I just mean’t my inability to quote properly lol… I enjoyed the discussion as well.

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[quote]Cimmerian wrote:

I understand the gun culture in the US is a part of its history and very different from over here, but man, I’m glad I live in a country where I’m a waiting victim. [/quote]

Edit mine,

Enjoy sleeping at night knowing you’ll have no choice but die on your knees.

I’ll die a free man, thank you very much.