Maybe go back and read that post again and try to understand it?
My original questions were for you to give examples of how this bias might have affected you. You just told me it was staring me in the face. Your actual examples were this thread and some classmates whispering about how you were on AA. You then created a scenario where blacks are being passed up on promotions and raises because of this bias. Do you know these people? Are you one of them? How do you know they’re being passed up?
It sucks to hear my President say shit like “If I had a son, it would look like Trayvon” and not a fucking peep any other time, regardless of race. He sure as fuck doesn’t think that a poor kid from Afghanistan who just got pulverized by one of his drones looks like his son. Such bullshit in our government and media that it isn’t even funny. [/quote]
Agree the President should keep quite on individual incidents like this.
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…and the other half of the country would have been insulted had he not…so what makes your perspective the correct one?
The FIRST black president in the history of the country likely had much weighing on him to make that statement…issues we are discussing right now.[/quote]
If the President hadn’t said anything about the Trayvon case it is possible people would have been angry, but imo, most people wouldn’t even have noticed if he didn’t comment. It is after all one death out of thousands a year. My perspective is that the President should worry about executing the Office of the President, not be on Twitter tweeting about an ongoing state murder case. I don’t beleive my perspective is better or worse or correct or incorrect. It’s just my perspective.
Do you think since he is, “The FIRST black president in the history of the country,” he should comment on every single murder where a black person is involved?
My original questions were for you to give examples of how this bias might have affected you. You just told me it was staring me in the face. Your actual examples were this thread and some classmates whispering about how you were on AA. You then created a scenario where blacks are being passed up on promotions and raises because of this bias. Do you know these people? Are you one of them? How do you know they’re being passed up?
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Wait…so your stance is that there is no racism, if I can’t personally experience all aspects of it?
If the President hadn’t said anything about the Trayvon case it is possible people would have been angry[/quote]
That is true. He was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t.
My guess is, he went with how he actually felt…which I personally appreciate whether you do or not.
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but imo, most people wouldn’t even have noticed if he didn’t comment.[/quote]
Wrong. All of those minorities would have noticed.
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It is after all one death out of thousands a year. My perspective is that the President should worry about executing the Office of the President, not be on Twitter tweeting about an ongoing state murder case. I don’t beleive my perspective is better or worse or correct or incorrect. It’s just my perspective.
Do you think since he is, “The FIRST black president in the history of the country,” he should comment on every single murder where a black person is involved? [/quote]
He hasn’t commented on every single murder.
He commented on one that was very high profile and stated his stance.
You can hate that all you want…just know there are just as many who disagree with you.
If the President hadn’t said anything about the Trayvon case it is possible people would have been angry[/quote]
That is true. He was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t.
My guess is, he went with how he actually felt…which I personally appreciate whether you do or not.
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but imo, most people wouldn’t even have noticed if he didn’t comment.[/quote]
How do you know I am wrong?
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It is after all one death out of thousands a year. My perspective is that the President should worry about executing the Office of the President, not be on Twitter tweeting about an ongoing state murder case. I don’t beleive my perspective is better or worse or correct or incorrect. It’s just my perspective.
Do you think since he is, “The FIRST black president in the history of the country,” he should comment on every single murder where a black person is involved? [/quote]
He hasn’t commented on every single murder.
He commented on one that was very high profile and stated his stance.
You can hate that all you want…just know there are just as many who disagree with you.[/quote]
That’s fine, it is just my opinion after all. I don’t beleive the President should comment of cases that are ongoing, doesn’t that negatively affect due process?
Edit: Well I fucked up the quote and don’t know how to fix it…
Fuck yeah the president shouldn’t comment on a single fucking murder when he is drone striking innocent civilians left and right.
Look at the civilian casualties. I’m sorry but that shit just sucks, and to have the nerve to have outrage when 1 black “THUG” gets shot in self defense.
So please don’t preach about murder when you’re one of the biggest murderers.
Trial followed by a painfully long 3rd world style execution. It’s time we stop extreme Jackasses. These dumb fucks should be voided from the planet and take Zimmerman dumbass with them.
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Fuck yeah the president shouldn’t comment on a single fucking murder when he is drone striking innocent civilians left and right.
Look at the civilian casualties. I’m sorry but that shit just sucks, and to have the nerve to have outrage when 1 black “THUG” gets shot in self defense.
So please don’t preach about murder when you’re one of the biggest murderers. [/quote]
He wasn’t preaching about murder. He was commenting on the race aspect which has issues that go far beyond that one case.
It sucks to hear my President say shit like “If I had a son, it would look like Trayvon” and not a fucking peep any other time, regardless of race. He sure as fuck doesn’t think that a poor kid from Afghanistan who just got pulverized by one of his drones looks like his son. Such bullshit in our government and media that it isn’t even funny. [/quote]
Agree the President should keep quite on individual incidents like this.
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…and the other half of the country would have been insulted had he not…so what makes your perspective the correct one?
The FIRST black president in the history of the country likely had much weighing on him to make that statement…issues we are discussing right now.[/quote]
If the President hadn’t said anything about the Trayvon case it is possible people would have been angry, but imo, most people wouldn’t even have noticed if he didn’t comment. It is after all one death out of thousands a year. My perspective is that the President should worry about executing the Office of the President, not be on Twitter tweeting about an ongoing state murder case. I don’t beleive my perspective is better or worse or correct or incorrect. It’s just my perspective.
Do you think since he is, “The FIRST black president in the history of the country,” he should comment on every single murder where a black person is involved? [/quote]
you do realize Obama said that to keep the focus on the trayvon case while other stuff goes on behind the scenes right?
do you really think he cares what anyone else thinks? it’s not like he’s gunna have another term.
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Trial followed by a painfully long 3rd world style execution. It’s time we stop extreme Jackasses. These dumb fucks should be voided from the planet and take Zimmerman dumbass with them.[/quote]
that’d be cool, in fact i’d pay to watch those 2 “thugs” fight it out with a hungry grizzly.
This thread is a fucking joke. It’s not like anyone is going to change their ways after it’s over. People are going to continue to think what they want and no amount of “debating” (i.e. idiotic arguments) is going to change that.
My original questions were for you to give examples of how this bias might have affected you. You just told me it was staring me in the face. Your actual examples were this thread and some classmates whispering about how you were on AA. You then created a scenario where blacks are being passed up on promotions and raises because of this bias. Do you know these people? Are you one of them? How do you know they’re being passed up?
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Wait…so your stance is that there is no racism, if I can’t personally experience all aspects of it?
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Talk about only seeing what you want to see.
I said nothing of the sort. Racism is an unfortunate thing that many refuse to let die. People need to hate something I guess. The optimist in me thinks it’s getting better, though. I was just asking how many people you know–or have heard of–recently were passed up based on race, and how you know it was actually based on race? If you do know someone, what was their next step.
My original questions were for you to give examples of how this bias might have affected you. You just told me it was staring me in the face. Your actual examples were this thread and some classmates whispering about how you were on AA. You then created a scenario where blacks are being passed up on promotions and raises because of this bias. Do you know these people? Are you one of them? How do you know they’re being passed up?
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Wait…so your stance is that there is no racism, if I can’t personally experience all aspects of it?
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Have you ever considered that less racism exists than you may think?
My original questions were for you to give examples of how this bias might have affected you. You just told me it was staring me in the face. Your actual examples were this thread and some classmates whispering about how you were on AA. You then created a scenario where blacks are being passed up on promotions and raises because of this bias. Do you know these people? Are you one of them? How do you know they’re being passed up?
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Wait…so your stance is that there is no racism, if I can’t personally experience all aspects of it?
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Talk about only seeing what you want to see.[/quote]
Hardly. I just won’t waste my time giving personal experiences of racism so they can be argued to not have happened.
It isn’t worth the effort, so I choose to get to the meat of it.
Why would that one scenario matter?
I don’t spend my days taking interviews with every black person I see…and my guess is, it would be much harder to plant the blame on overt racism today in the work place without extreme (possibly video taped) circumstances.
Racism has changed to “culturalism”…so “sagging pants” get hated instead of flat out saying you hate “young black kids”.
It makes it way more covert…so your questions miss that aspect in their premise.
My original questions were for you to give examples of how this bias might have affected you. You just told me it was staring me in the face. Your actual examples were this thread and some classmates whispering about how you were on AA. You then created a scenario where blacks are being passed up on promotions and raises because of this bias. Do you know these people? Are you one of them? How do you know they’re being passed up?
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Wait…so your stance is that there is no racism, if I can’t personally experience all aspects of it?
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Have you ever considered that less racism exists than you may think?
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My original questions were for you to give examples of how this bias might have affected you. You just told me it was staring me in the face. Your actual examples were this thread and some classmates whispering about how you were on AA. You then created a scenario where blacks are being passed up on promotions and raises because of this bias. Do you know these people? Are you one of them? How do you know they’re being passed up?
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Wait…so your stance is that there is no racism, if I can’t personally experience all aspects of it?
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Have you ever considered that less racism exists than you may think?
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I quite frankly think it is getting worse. Here in the US as well as in Europe. Actually, especially in Europe.
My original questions were for you to give examples of how this bias might have affected you. You just told me it was staring me in the face. Your actual examples were this thread and some classmates whispering about how you were on AA. You then created a scenario where blacks are being passed up on promotions and raises because of this bias. Do you know these people? Are you one of them? How do you know they’re being passed up?
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Wait…so your stance is that there is no racism, if I can’t personally experience all aspects of it?
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Talk about only seeing what you want to see.[/quote]
Hardly. I just won’t waste my time giving personal experiences of racism so they can be argued to not have happened.
It isn’t worth the effort, so I choose to get to the meat of it.
Why would that one scenario matter?
I don’t spend my days taking interviews with every black person I see…and my guess is, it would be much harder to plant the blame on overt racism today in the work place without extreme (possibly video taped) circumstances.
Racism has changed to “culturalism”…so “sagging pants” get hated instead of flat out saying you hate “young black kids”.
It makes it way more covert…so your questions miss that aspect in their premise.[/quote]
But sagging pants are just as hated on white kids. One of these groups is going to have to assimilate into the other. Society has clearly taken a stand against dressing a certain way, and I don’t think it’s because it’s associated with being black.