1st Cycle Test E/Tren A/Winny

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Hello all,

First time cycler here, wanted to get some veteran input on how it looks. Have done loads of scientific research, be it from NEJM, and beyond. I understand many (probably 99% of you) on here will say to run a Test-only initial cycle. I understand your concern, and I would only like to say as a rebuff that I have tested my reaction to Testosterone via Pharm-Grade materials, and the response was good. I expect no surprises, and from the research I’ve gathered, really the only reason people do say you should do a Test-only cycle is because of the allergic reactions, etc. That being said, my plan allows for maximum isolation of potential steroid problems due to the spaced-out nature of the cycle.

My stats:

Ageâ??*26 years

Ethnicityâ?? Middle Eastern/White

Heightâ??6’1"

Weightâ??Currently at 260, a good percentage of that is body fat (around 35%) but I have a decent base after powerlifting 5 days a week for 8+ months completely natural (I wasn’t joking around either, I was actually filling out Smolov charts with a pencil and calculator while people looked at me funny). My problem was that around 225lb, I decided McDonalds was a good diet to bulk on (I gain weight and muscle INSANELY fast, it’s very unfortunate and I really wish I had a skinny problem)…but my bad decisions caught up with me, and I’m now cutting hard for at least three months to get down to 200 before I begin this first-ever cycle.

Lifts: Bench Press (repping 225), Squats (repping 315), Deadlift (repping 405) even after nearly lifting consistently (5 times a week) for almost a year, I haven’t been able to add weight reliably without getting more fat. I have certainly noticed that my parabolic rise has reached an asymptote where more work leads to less and less gains in weight on bar. No gouda. Not fun. Enter the AAS alternative. My dream is to reach the Holy Triplet of 315 bench, 405 squat and 500 deadlift with the help of the following cycle once I’ve lost the requisite 60 pounds of fat. You can bet your bottom dollar my diet is on with a fierce militance. Not a stray calorie goes in my body. I’m very aware of the slew of estrogen problems with starting a CWF (cycling while fat).

Here is my proposed Summertime cycle:
10 WEEKS: Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday â?? Trenbolone Acetate @75mgs/shot
10 WEEKS: Monday, Thursday â?? Testosterone Enanthate @150mgs/shot
4 WEEKS: Monday-Friday Winstrol (Stanozolol) “Winny” @ 50mg ED for the tail-end 4 WEEKS of the 10 WEEKS cycle

15 days after my last injection, I will initiate PCT as follows:

Week 1 Aromasin 12.5mg and Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 2 Aromasin 12.5mg and Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 3 Aromasin 6.25mg and Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day

My goal is to destroy what flab/baby fat I have on my body after dieting, some loose skin and to define, pack-on and dry-out the muscle I’ve already added (and hopefully kept most of while I’m dieting) from my months of insane lifting (I honestly think powerlifters are crazy…all you care about is adding more weight? Very tempting, but I hope to diversify my stuff later on after/during this cycle.) and I want to weight around 195-215 pounds while I do it. So there whille be a minimal net change, in a sense, but a whole lot of visual/BF/vascularity/etc. etc. difference.

Now, I understand some of you will say this is crazy for a first cycle, but I honestly don’t see how it is a problem given that I know I’m not resistant to Testosterone, I have gained most of the muscle I can naturally (not saying 100% genetic potential), and that is an excellent predictor of whether or not cycles are right for you. If anyone cares to enlightmen me to the contrary I’d love to hear it, as well as any and all suggestions on tweaking, etc. as I try to go for my goal of getting strong, defined (ideally around 9-12% BF) and vascular this Spring/Summer.

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[quote]FreudianBulldog wrote:
Hello all,

First time cycler here, wanted to get some veteran input on how it looks. Have done loads of scientific research, be it from NEJM, and beyond. I understand many (probably 99% of you) on here will say to run a Test-only initial cycle. I understand your concern, and I would only like to say as a rebuff that I have tested my reaction to Testosterone via Pharm-Grade materials, and the response was good. I expect no surprises, and from the research I’ve gathered, really the only reason people do say you should do a Test-only cycle is because of the allergic reactions, etc. That being said, my plan allows for maximum isolation of potential steroid problems due to the spaced-out nature of the cycle.

My stats:

Age�¢??*26 years

Ethnicity�¢?? Middle Eastern/White

HeightÃ?¢??6’1"

WeightÃ?¢??Currently at 260, a good percentage of that is body fat (around 35%) but I have a decent base after powerlifting 5 days a week for 8+ months completely natural (I wasn’t joking around either, I was actually filling out Smolov charts with a pencil and calculator while people looked at me funny). My problem was that around 225lb, I decided McDonalds was a good diet to bulk on (I gain weight and muscle INSANELY fast, it’s very unfortunate and I really wish I had a skinny problem)…but my bad decisions caught up with me, and I’m now cutting hard for at least three months to get down to 200 before I begin this first-ever cycle.

Lifts: Bench Press (repping 225), Squats (repping 315), Deadlift (repping 405) even after nearly lifting consistently (5 times a week) for almost a year, I haven’t been able to add weight reliably without getting more fat. I have certainly noticed that my parabolic rise has reached an asymptote where more work leads to less and less gains in weight on bar. No gouda. Not fun. Enter the AAS alternative. My dream is to reach the Holy Triplet of 315 bench, 405 squat and 500 deadlift with the help of the following cycle once I’ve lost the requisite 60 pounds of fat. You can bet your bottom dollar my diet is on with a fierce militance. Not a stray calorie goes in my body. I’m very aware of the slew of estrogen problems with starting a CWF (cycling while fat).

Here is my proposed Summertime cycle:
10 WEEKS: Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday �¢?? Trenbolone Acetate @75mgs/shot
10 WEEKS: Monday, Thursday �¢?? Testosterone Enanthate @150mgs/shot
4 WEEKS: Monday-Friday Winstrol (Stanozolol) “Winny” @ 50mg ED for the tail-end 4 WEEKS of the 10 WEEKS cycle

15 days after my last injection, I will initiate PCT as follows:

Week 1 Aromasin 12.5mg and Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 2 Aromasin 12.5mg and Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 3 Aromasin 6.25mg and Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day

My goal is to destroy what flab/baby fat I have on my body after dieting, some loose skin and to define, pack-on and dry-out the muscle I’ve already added (and hopefully kept most of while I’m dieting) from my months of insane lifting (I honestly think powerlifters are crazy…all you care about is adding more weight? Very tempting, but I hope to diversify my stuff later on after/during this cycle.) and I want to weight around 195-215 pounds while I do it. So there whille be a minimal net change, in a sense, but a whole lot of visual/BF/vascularity/etc. etc. difference.

Now, I understand some of you will say this is crazy for a first cycle, but I honestly don’t see how it is a problem given that I know I’m not resistant to Testosterone, I have gained most of the muscle I can naturally (not saying 100% genetic potential), and that is an excellent predictor of whether or not cycles are right for you. If anyone cares to enlightmen me to the contrary I’d love to hear it, as well as any and all suggestions on tweaking, etc. as I try to go for my goal of getting strong, defined (ideally around 9-12% BF) and vascular this Spring/Summer.[/quote]

Uhhhhhh…

What the fuck to all of this.

You’ve tested your reaction to test via Pharm-Grade materials, and the response was good, but this is your first cycle? Please enlighten me, but how does that work? How can one test their reaction to testosterone without having run a cycle? You’re 26, so probably not on TRT. Did you slap some of your dad’s androgel on your balls and call that a test?

The reason people say to do a test only cycle first is so you can gauge how your body responds to various amounts / combos of test and AI’s. Some people get horrible estrogen related sides from fairly low dosage test, some get no estrogen related sides running a gram of test a week.

You’re a 260 lb, 35% BF power lifter who’s lifts, especially for your size, are horrible. Most here, even the bodybuilders, don’t consider a 3/4/5 plate bench/squat/deadlift anything special. I’d be willing to bet all powerlifters and most bodybuilders were there without AAS. You sound like a fat guy who needs to lose some weight and spend a lot more time under a barbell before you turn to steroids.

You’re dosages are all on the low side as well. 300mg/week of Test E, 300 mg/week of Tren A? Not exactly ideal.

You say again that you “know I’m not resistant to Testosterone.” What does this mean and how do you know it? You have a LBM of 167 lbs at 6’1". You are no where near your genetic potential as to how much muscle you can gain naturally. Your beginner gains have slowed down (you’ve only been lifting 8 months!!!) and you’re getting impatient. This is a marathon, not a sprint. You’re not ready to cycle, you don’t need to cycle, you’re impatient and need to learn to diet properly and prove you can do it before you even think about touching a needle.