Alright dude… fuck off outta here, the mentality you’ve shown is that of the average stuck up kid who is certain he knows better… if you really thought you knew better you wouldn’t be posting here in the first place. Most kids who come on here asking “should I use this” are posting to look for assurance as they AREN’T sure of their decisions, and we firmly tell them no… don’t… use… this.
Coming and asking for advice is the right step, but then firing back with preconceived ideology or “know it all” style responses kill the entire notion of you coming here in the first place. Carefully reconsider how you argue with people the next time you decide to have a debate with someone. The skills you’ve provided here regarding you’re ability to reasonably debate/argue indicate you’re still very immature, lack the ability to reasonate/rationally respond and are still pent up full of teenage angst/emotion, which is fine… most kids are, and I still am over certain issues (when people get legitimately racist towards me/others or when I see a helpless individual being picked on etc) I become extremely and overtly angry… that’s part of the impulsivity/irrationallity that comes with being a kid
Own it while you still have it, go out… be a kid… do kid things… forget about the gear for the timebeing
There’s a reason people are talking down to you, and if you can’t handle constructive criticism then you shouldn’t be here. For someone with such a personality, gear would be a disaster
You haven’t “put anyone in their place”, you’ve just come across as a dick, and don’t look at my posts questioning others as supporting you’re antics, I’m not. I’m just curious as to whether one can break a record with a 290 lb or so bench
Just swallow you’re pride/ego and admit when you may be wrong…
I never chime in on threads like this but here it goes. You’ve got to understand that this same story has unfolded many many times here. Young man asks about steroid use, others recommend against it, people take offense to each other, the heckling escalates… etc, etc.
If your looking for the best way to achieve an impressive physique over the long haul then it’s simply in your best interests to wait. At 18 you have not exhausted your potential as a natural lifter. Your test levels are probably around 1000 and that’s where I strive to be taking test.
As for the loosing muscle while dieting thing I believe your wrong here, but if you still don’t believe me you can track it with solid data.
When cutting measure three fold.
Measurements - chest, shoulders, biceps, etc
Skinfold calipers - chest, quad, belly, lower back
Body weight
Measurements in non fat carrying areas stay the same or go up while loosing weight then your not loosing muscle. Muscle is an expensive fuel for the body and it’s gonna go for glycogen stores or stores fat first. Yeah you might loose some going from 6% to 3% but you should be able to cut responsibly and keep protein high and negate muscle loss. No reason you couldn’t stay around 10-12%. Even if you were older I wouldn’t do a cycle unless you down in that body fat range anyways.
The best skill you can learn as a young man is to listen and swallow your ego. I didn’t learn this until my early thirties and can’t imagine how far ahead of the game id be if I learned it at 18.
Best of luck to you. Wait… it’s not luck, it’s damn hard work and discipline every day.
I’m not gonna have some random person talk down to me… He wasn’t even trying to help in anyway , you just proven my point with this post… Very entertaining to read
Holy shit!There is actually someone on here willing to share advice and knowledge, I’ve not had an ego until I got to the point where these people got to me… Once I’ve read their training logs, I really started to realize where the hate was coming from. I’m usually never a person with a huge ego and usually swallow my pride but when someone is blatantly putting me to the side and talking down to me, I’m not gonna just let it happen… I’ve had enough of that in my past.
How am I wrong though? I’ve had this random guy tell me I don’t know how to recomp when that’s not the case. It’s simply that I’ve not tried because I’m too stubborn to do so. There is a huge difference, I can’t believe you think I’m being the dick? I’m just simply talking to him the way he’s to me. Though I guess I was right in my post, let that bottle open up and spill right out… Lmao
Every single reply you’ve made here showcases someone simply not willing to let go, too stuck up to swallow his/her pride. Even if you were right (which you aren’t), resorting to defensive answers, immature answers such has this
demonstrates a sound lack of ability to pick battles and/or argue coherently. For a good example in relation to how one should argue coherently, look at some of my/certain other members previous debates with one another. We don’t typically resort to immature name calling (I did with you… because you’re very cocky and such mentality irritates me greatly). However this
is no better and constitutes as an unacceptable response, is equally immature comparative to the responses you’ve previously given. Even if you aren’t an average 18 year old… you’re mentality and level of maturity certainly seems to indicate you are. I understand these rash, defensive responses. I’m typically the same way with my parents, they get on my nerves and I get on theirs… but seriously… come on… and no…
This isn’t true, he asked what awards you’d won etc and you turned into a vindictive ass and told him you had more potential than he did
This piece of literature would disagree with you, thus perhaps you aren’t well versed regarding what is/isn’t possible. You’re digging yourself a deeper grave here, quit while you’re ahead. If you want sound advice regarding training/nutrition create a thread.
Do I think gear should be reserved as an “ace card” only for those who have maxed out their genetic potential etc blablbbla… No, I think that’s bullshit, it’s merely a deterrent style statement to keep uninformed/individuals who aren’t ready from hopping on gear. Gear should be reserved for those well informed (and don’t flame me with the natty elitist rhetoric for anyone who disagrees, it’s fine to disagree with me… but there’s no set point where someone earns a special badge to use gear, what matters is that one has adequate cognitive capacity to understand the risks/rewards, mechanisms behind how the drugs work, an adequate understanding of the potential long term implications, how to use the drugs/what to do if something goes wrong and so on and so forth… I don’t believe age brackets are particularly a valid indicator, however it’s easily said that most kids you’re age are impulsive and have no idea regarding what they might be getting themselves into (and I can guarantee you don’t, there’s more to it than the prospect of erectile dysfunction or the notion of lifelong TRT… think cardiac transplantation, permanent neurological alteration, kidney scarring, stroke, cardiomyopathy etc)… people aren’t being firm because they dislike you… it’s because they’ve seen many make the same mistakes you’re making (and perhaps they’ve made the same mistakes themselves) and thus don’t want to see you go down the same path.
Sure one can say “let people make their own decisions” but it’s never bad to attempt to guide someone towards the right path (or what we perceive to be the right path), we aren’t you’re parents/guardians, you do whatever you want to do… but we WILL not condone or support it in any way, shape or form… This includes the notion of dispensing advice… had you posted up a cycle, routine, known about the risks/rewards adequately etc then advice regarding harm minimisation would have been RELUCTANTLY provided as if someone is going to fuck themselves up, it’s best they do it the safest way possible lol. But you came in knowing nothing about anabolic’s stating “I will go into this within 1-2 yrs” then proceeded to say “it’s just hypothetical”… which… no it isn’t… but whatever, then proceed to become defensive when people start talking about what a bad idea it is
Gear isn’t good for anyone, especially someone who currently harbours a mentality equatable to that of you’re own. I don’t view the age bracket as the limiting factor here, some teenagers are remarkably mature… I do view lack of knowledge, a cocky/know it all rhetoric and insulting/immature replies to be a dealbreaker though
You’ve made fantastic progress. and if you do the research regarding training nutrition, the pharmacokinetics of these compounds, how they work, the risks involved etc and come back here (takes a while to grasp adequate knowledge of these as it also requires a fair bit of knowledge about the human body, biochemistry etc) and still decide you want to use then I’ll be happy to dispense advice regarding how to minimise harm… but I really think you should reconsider and just do… kid stuff lol, and it appears you have reconsidered and I applaud you for that
I assume you don’t have the short end of the genetic stick, esp given you’re current achievements. What I’d give to not have chronic pain, testosterone deficiency, to not be 5’5 etc
I’ve done that already as I’ve stated, now it’s nothing but being patient and even doing more research as I don’t think you can ever do enough research. Thanks for the advice.
@demidabs
If your goal was to have more people not care about you and your wellbeing then congrats. Hopefully you won’t have issues soon that need indepth advice because the exact guys you’re shitting on are the ones that care the most about others here. The funny thing is they’d probably still help you regardless of the fact you don’t understand you’re fucking yourself acting this way.
The whole notion of you trolling at this point highlights immaturity. If you have nothing constructive to say at this point I’d suggest leaving the forums. If you continually act this way there’s a good chance you’ll be kicked off regardless
I’ve stated before I’m not gonna have some random talk to me like that, call me immature for standing up for myself… I guess that proves you’re one of those guys who let people walk all over them.
I’m calling you immature because you are immature… People don’t walk all over me, but the fact that you made such a comment further proves my point… you’re a stuck up, cocky teenager who can’t swallow his ego. You’re continually digging a larger and larger grave on here. Good luck living out the rest of you’re life harbouring this mentality of “everyone is out to get me because I’m smarter than everyone else”…
I’m done here, this isn’t worth my time
The fact that you’re further wasting you’re time with an attempt at trolling here just to get a rise out of people further showcases lack of insight, maturity and further dictates the notion that you’re no different from the average kid… Seriously, grow up mate
If you don’t want randoms talking to you like this you shouldn’t have initiated such backtalk in the first place. You get what you give
@demidabs
In the real world this conversation would have been settled within 30 secs. In internet land there is no walking all over someone. You’re here to benefit yourself and you’ve failed at that. Though you may feel you stood your ground you actually just made people who were trying to help you feel less inclined to help you in the future. In the end no one cares. In 3 mins no one here will remember this conversation or care. Good luck
