18 Yrs Old, 145 Pounds. First Cycle, Deca + Test E. Am I Missing Something?

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I do believe you misinterpret some of my posts. I’ve never said

I said

One time, yet you don’t seem to be able to back off regarding this. And honestly, whilst I don’t believe my use is a responsible decision, to say I’ve used recklessly is a stretch, the dosages I’ve employed are very low. My maximum dosage is still a far cry lower than what one would use for a typical 1st cycle, not to say that justifies anything.

I apologise if I’ve come across as having cheek,
or being some smartass kid, as that’s not my intention. I merely try to point out the hypocrisy and/or double standards that may exist

In this particular thread I’ve never stated or even implied it’d be okay if some 145lb, 18 y/o kid uses gear (unless he’s like 5,2 6 percent BF as he’d look pretty rad with those stats at 145)

Honestly? I tend to get the best results from high volume training, not particularly pertaining to the amount of times a body part is hit per week, but high volume as in… lots of sets, reps, TUT etc.
I’ve tried (briefly) the lower rep, strength training style training, it got me stronger… very fast, but also got me injured and had minimal impact regarding muscular size

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I don’t understand what this means dude.

No mate, you’d be suprised, there have been a few guys aged 23-25 ish who come on here, this kind of shit is their FIRST cycle! No joke…

Regarding not condoning drug use… I believe it’s a personal decision to make, and if one is educated regarding the risk/reward ratio and appears to still go ahead, I don’t think there is much one can do to deter said individual, in which case the dispensing of harm minimisation style advice is nessecary…

This would probably contradict the opinion of which you harbour in which “stigmatise, demonise and insult” is the way to go about deterrent mechanisms… I’m telling you, kids (myself included) simply don’t like being talked down to… it makes us feel inferior, pissed off even. So to simply spew out “you’re a fucking idiot, get lost, don’t cycle you moron”… isn’t entirely the right way to go about it. As much as you might care, you might not want to see the kid irreparably fuck himself up, in MY opinion the only real way to deter a hot headed youngster is by stating the facts… most will be put off enough by the inherent risks to one’s cardiovascular health.

I don’t understand what you’re trying to achieve here by taking shots at me, are you trying to “put me in my place” because I’m a “child” who clearly “doesn’t get it”?

This is another notion I dislike regarding the way adults treat teenagers… it’s not as if they weren’t young once too, they’ve probably made many of the same mistakes earlier on… and seeing as the teenage brain is typically (this is NOT ALWAYS THE CASE, there are certainly exceptions) not fully developed, why would you expect them to comprehend and/or understand reasoning within the same way you would? That being said, this argument could be a mute point, as brain development is almost finished by the time one reaches age 17-18, after that the rate of development slows down significantly and additional development is extremely minute comparative to say… the ages between 13-17… so theoretically a teenager should be able to reason adequately, just not QUITE to the extent of an adult (hence I think quite a bit of teenage stupidity stems from environmental factors… friends, boredom etc)

That being said, I always go with the ideology “Never underestimate you’re opponent”… despite common belief, some teenagers are frighteningly smart… at which point the adult spewing “I know better, I’m older” doesn’t pertain significance and the kid tunes out (as usual) but in this instance the kid actually is right. It’s like an adult arguing with my twin brother about geopolitics and pulling the age card… my brother is literally smarter than 99.9 percent of adults I know from both an academic and political perspective… he WILL tune out when adults put him down regarding age when debating certain topics, and for good reason… because he’s right, he does know better in that case.

This does NOT pertain to me, I’m not stating I know everything… because I DON’T, I’m actually a very confused individual… I’m just pointing it out. However to make the case to say “teenagers should use steroids”… no… they fucking shouldn’t, just as they shouldn’t consume alcohol or use recreational drugs (however I’d actually stipulate AAS is somewhat worse, as drug intake tends to be acute, whilst AAS induce chronic pathology that could potentially be irreversible down the line, and that’s serious! The biggest risk I’d say that exists (as most won’t continue using forever, say they run 2-3 cycles and call it quits) is the prospect of ASIH)… NO kid wants to be on TRT/ pinning for life, it’s a pain in the ass (literally)

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Nobody said otherwise. I’m saying that you’re just being a try hard copy-pasting research. Believe it or not, powerlifters train high volume too

I’m not going to refer to the rest of your monologue/manifestos because you seem to be writing just to read your own posts.

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Bullshit, I back my posts with evidence, what have you done aside from take shots regarding my age. Regardless this is my last post to you as I feel this arguement isn’t productive for either of us

I find one of the most common arguements/rebuttals an adult
will give back to me is

  • I didn’t read any of that/ won’t comment on it because it’s stupid… without stipulating as to why
  • you’re an idiot because you’re young
  • I can find evidence for anything (you can, but when multiple studies back the same conclusion it forms a body of evidence with greater reliability)

All arguements are flawed, cheap shots that only work unfortunately due to the complex relations that exist between the youth demographic and adults.

And no… I don’t post to re read my own posts, not sure if I’m meant to take that literally or not though… I post to extrapolate upon my ideologies so you can see and perhaps resonate with the way I’m thinking, just as how you post so I can better understand you’re ideology and/or why you bear such disliking towards me for no good reason. I’m not a narcissist mate

I’m done here…

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Because your posts are mindless rambling

Clearly not the Original poster or otehr teenagers on threads who havent bothered to research proper training/diet or AAS use.

This that mindless rambling I’m talking about

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If you read your posts aloud, it sounds like some Patrick Bateman shit

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that… suttle off white colouring…

@SOUL_FIGHTER

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You’re kind of being a dick to an autistic guy who’s worked really hard to be part of this community and has contributed a ton of his time to putting information in front of people. What exactly are you hoping to accomplish with this little back and forth? Like what’s your desired outcome? I’m genuinely asking.

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Damn man, I didn’t realize he was autistic. My bad.

My only issues in the past were him inserting his own story and “playing devils advocate” when kids his age are coming for steroid use, like in this thread.

It’s unhelpful and doesn’t support the otherwise consensus that kids who don’t have the medical need or training experience don’t need AAS. My objective? I think he should just tell kids not to use AAS, no need for these long monologues about how “some teenagers are smart” and “some adults are irresponsible”, or “I use irresponsibly myself but I know the risks”

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I didn’t do it in this particular thread though… from my recollection I’ve done this exactly twice… I even said at the start of the thread “but you are too young”… and that he shouldn’t do it. In this particular case (don’t wish to start another arguement here) you just came out and attacked me

Also regarding me being on the spectrum… it isn’t severe, however I don’t understand social ques, body language or basic common decency/social ettiquate at times. I can socialise, go out and have a good time etc… if you met me you wouldn’t be able to tell, but you’d think some things I say are strange… sometimes I put people off (unknowingly) by saying wildly inappropriate things. If you’ve ever seen the show atypical… I’m nowhere near as bad as he is, but the notion sticks in that sometimes I have absolutely no filter and I’ll just say what’s on my mind regardless of whether its the right time or place

I wish people in real life were similar, if we were all honest with one another it’d probably spare a lot of later conflict… instead of saying “it’s fine”… then going to talk smack about said person to others etc…

My rants/incoherent “ramblings” probably stem from the fact that I also have ADHD but I’m not medicated for it… my brain tends to fire a million miles per minute and due to that I tend to write down everything instead of weeding out the unimportant information

Btw American psycho is an amazing movie, the business card scene is probably my favourite part, hence why I linked that clip

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Actually you did - you went on a mindless ramble about how kids and adults can be irresponsible and why you do what you do

To be honest this is all you needed to write:

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Sorry, disagreed… nowhere did I put in mental gymnastics to try justify why this guy should use gear. I will stop putting in these manifesto’s however on the simple grounds that it appears to irritate you and I don’t wish to be an irritance towards anyone.

I don’t see this as a mindless ramble, I see it as a fair point. To preach the notion of “just say no” doesn’t work, as one can see here, I talk to the individual realistically… There are many cases in which a young individual will decide to go through with his/her plans regardless of the opinions/criticism of others. Sometimes young kids (and even adults), for whatever reason think “I know better”, despite knowing absolutely nothing regarding the topic at stake. My “mindless rant” is merely me extrapolating upon my ideology on why weight etc shouldn’t be the determining factor as to whether this guy should use gear… the determining factor should be… the fact he doesn’t know how to eat, has a bad attitude and probably isn’t well versed in regards to what he’s actually doing to himself

Within me explaining my ideology, I resonate with the individual in question, he/she doesn’t feel alienated or discriminated against, thus me eventually stating “you shouldn’t use because X,Y,Z” feels like less of a harsh blow/ it’s not me talking down too him/her. It’s more like “I get why you want to do this, and I understand you’re rationale. I know you may decide to go through with this anyway and the truth is many others make decisions equally terrible… but I don’t think you should go ahead because X,Y,Z”.

Instead of saying “No, don’t use because X,Y,Z”

We can have differing opinions on the topic, that’s fine… However I don’t think we should continue arguing about it because it’s clearly irritating you… hence why you’ve found it necessary to pounce on me whenever I post in a thread regarding a young individual… granted I’m guilty of something similar. I do the same thing to (most) individuals who come on here and decide to recklessly abuse trenbolone right off the bat for no good reason other than “gainz and chikz”, or those who recommend such practices to others… for whatever reason, it irritates the fuck out of me when people make hardcore “tren comments” or try tell others “naw, do this, add in some tren, it’s magic”… it might be magic from an aesthetic point of view, however it’s probably the worst thing one can take in terms of long term Cardiotoxicity, nephrotoxicity and neurotoxicity…

That being said, I do agree with the notion that I shouldn’t keep referring to my situation… it’s irrelevant, and for that I apologise

Did you know they made a second American psycho with Mila Kunis btw? Not many people know this, it was direct to DVD and it sucked tremendously… lacked the smartest and initial charm of the first, played out more like a slasher flick… its not even a sequel really, more of a “we will brand this ‘American Psycho’ as a cheap cash grab to try accrue more viewers”

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I wish I could hit like for multiple parts of this comment… Don’t tell me I am too young
“You’re too young”
Don’t tell it’s too heavy
“It too heavy”

It’s like he wanted to guide and script his negative feedback over his ill thought out plan. It’s like intelligence without knowing about reverse psychology (kids in kindergarten get this) all over something he obviously has researched enough to know what we would say, yet he proceeded. I wonder if it ever occured to him to just lie about his age or just leave it out? He obviously has enough hormones clouding his decision making process, doesn’t need anymore.

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There was one kid on here worrying about being shut down from a sarms cycle… months after, he got his T/FT tested…

His TT was close to 1500ng/dl
FT was a tad over the top of the ref range

It made me think… why the FUCK would you ever run a cycle with natty levels of 1500?

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I shall share a bit of wisdom i learned from someone I thought had a rather low end cognitive ability that I served with in the army.
…wait for it…

Common sense isn’t common.

Think about it. There is a world’s and a lifetime’s of wisdom in that simple statement.

The second part of that is, once I start seeing logic and reason in others actions as a whole or at least a majority, I will know I am loosing it and the Alzheimer’s is setting in.

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Yeah, you’re not overtly condoning it, but what’s the point of throwing this in? “Adults do irresponsible stuff too?” No shit THen you throw in:

A kid who was dead set on using steroids would just think “Hmm… if he can do it, I can too. Why would this kid be telling me not to?”

By plugging in your own use when telling a similar aged kid “no” to and being hypocritical?

In another thread, when you let the adults speak, he accepted it and said he’d check back in another time. Then when you “played devils advocate” and he liked your comment and got disrespectful with everyone who had previously said no.

This movie was trash! I watched it because I was a fan of the original, but this had no tie without that scene, which was likely put in last minute for branding

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Am I though? There’s a big difference between me using say 200-300mg per week vs some kid using 1000mg per week don’t ya think? When I say there’s “no difference”… I don’t mean that literally, that being said I don’t condone my actions either, it’s still illicit substance abuse… in countries like Mexico, Costa Rica etc that’d be a different story (otc there, no stigma)… its an American thing regarding just how stigmatised PED use is.

This isn’t me saying “go ahead and do it” it’s me exclaiming that some people do have their minds made up to the point that potentially nothing will alter that opinion. I find it’s good to exclaim this, so the individual instead thinks “okay, so this guy gets it”… then you double down regarding the inherent risks involved, finally say “you should NOT use because x,y,z”… the kid might think “huh, so he understands the way I think… but these risks are serious… and the advice is UNBIASED and coming from a teenager… perhaps I should listen”.

I did this TWICE (barring this thread), both occasions many months apart. And I have apologised for any instance in which my comments could have come across as encoruaging or condoning… stop trying for whatever reason to construe a situation wherein I believe “kids should use gear”… I’ve told you time and time again that’s not my intention/point… this thread wherein I played devils advocate pertained to a kid who was big… he’d been training for a while and clearly knew how to diet/train, he wanted to run a cookie cutter cycle… did I think he needed to or should for that matter… No… and I stated that on record at the time… but I was very frustrated at the time about the influx of adults coming in (at that very time there was an adult… bout 25 who came in to inform everyone he used 2g tren weekly on his first cycle… no one batted an eye… Yet everyone flipped shit over this kid, who had been training for many years… wanting to try 500mg test weekly… that was the point I was trying to make)

Stop bringing up that one example… it’s irrelevant at this point in time. That being said if I do something you deem to be out of line again and/or condoning substance abuse (licit or illicit) then by all means call me out.

What’s you’re goal here, as iron yuppie previously asked? Are you trying to tell me I’m a bad guy… an idiot? A try hard? I don’t understand the point of this arguement, it feels like you’re picking a fight for the sake of picking a fight?

It doesn’t matter regardless, we have differing opinions regarding this subject (PED use in general). You on one hand believe that PED’s are some magical ace card that should only be employed (regardless of knowledge acquired) when someone has

  • milked all natty potential
  • potentially has the prospect of going pro
  • had many many many years of advanced training

You’ve even said prior “I consider myself a natty elietist” as in “superior because I don’t use gear”… in which case, if that’s you’re opinion… why are you on the pharma forum in the first place? A good 70% of you’re posts on the pharma thread recently… or perhaps always revolve around attacking me… leave me alone dude… I never started with you to begin with

My opinion regarding ped use is

  • if you’re well versed
  • understand and comprehend the potential long term consequences
  • know how to train/diet and have at least 1-2 years of solid experience doing so

Then… why not… as an individual you have the right to make you’re own decisions… stupid or not… you live with the consequences. I don’t think it’s nessecary to police others actions

Regardless I bear no disdain towards you, and I totally agree with this

Feels like they shot a b grade slasher flick and at the end thought “hmmm, how can we make more money? American psycho came out a few years ago… let’s acquire the rights and slap that on there”

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My goal here is that when it comes to these type of threads, I want you to let the adults speak.

As Iron Yuppie said, you’re a constructive member here and do your research, so maybe your advice would be more apt to those type of threads requesting general information about a Pharma/TRT Topic, rather than where impressionable kids are asking for a co-sign for irresponsible PED use.

Hell yeah. I’m more impressed by a natural lifting heavy weight than an enhanced athlete doing the same. When I see a natty setting an untested record or looking big and shredded, I give him props. But given the prominence of PEDs in sport in general, it’s made me skeptic often, so I like competition with strict drug testing.

I’m on the pharma section because I don’t intend to stay natty, and this is where I’m learning (I don’t believe in “regardless of knowledge acquired” like you claim I do). It doesnt take an expert to chime in for basic, low hanging fruit like “Yo, kids shouldn’t be using steroids”. That’s not a controversial statement, but for some reason, 70% of the time, you like to chime in with the “Yeah, but… X” or the “Yeah! And I (insert monologue conflicting your main point)”

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i totally forgot about this topic and everything haha i started eating 4000+ calories a day and moved up to 155lbs thank yall for helping out

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i can clearlyyyy see myself progressing since im eating more food and ive been working on my weaknesses , when i look at the mirror i feel better every week :slight_smile: