Can I ask why you’re on TRT at your age?
Thank you!!!
Hypogonadism (seemingly primary… as in… testicular failure for whatever reason)… if you’re going to bash me for having hypogonadism, chronic pain etc then that’s you’re problem, not mine
Had never touched hormones prior to TRT imitation, wasn’t as if levels were borderline either, between 140-290ng/dl depending on test
If you seriously can’t get over the age bracket despite legitimate medical ailment then… well I don’t know what to say
Honestly I’m sick of people asking me about this/ stigmatising due to my age (in person and online)… things like “well you shouldn’t have chronic pain”… “well you shouldn’t have hypogonadism”…
Like… Leave me alone!!! It’s not like I’ve chosen to be riddled with pain/medical ailment
At the moment I do what I can to live my life to the best quality possible… if that means using some synethic hormones to avoid opiate pain medication/repeated cortisone shots and taking a decade off my life so I can partake in normal activities, go to gym and otherwise interact like a normal individual my age then so be it
That being said if that was a legitimate question and not a jab at me then… disregard paragraphs 3-5… being young and having been stigmatised significantly due to my situation I tend to become defensive frequently when questioned about it… it’s not you, so don’t take it personally
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You asked for it kid… should have lied about your age.
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You are missing a lot. Drugs are a cheat code. If you know how to play the game then you will do amazing things. If you dont know how to play the game they are a waste. You do not know how to play the game.
No, he isnt.
Ectomorph eh? Eat more beef and veggies. Sodium is really important for training and that importance will be compounded while on cycle.
Great first post… Sure he could have done that with ease and duped all of us from the start. I applaud the honesty. @unreal24278 has proven to be a valuable asset. He consistently backs his posts with studies / research. Based on his history, which he is also honest about, you can see that he is an anomaly and not your typical teen abusing AAS solely to get swole. Most of his pursuit has been symptom alleviation although admittedly it appears that may have changed a bit recently. At least he is most certainly aware of the risks which most folks his age seem to be oblivious to.
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hehehehe, honestly though I’ve been thinking about it, I’m dropping totally weekly dosage (in mg of hormones taken weekly) down to 200-220… using 270… or even 250… I’m just not comfortable with that. But yes, the experiment with dbol last year towards the end was purely from irked curiosity… and I have 12 tablets left that I’m going to use instead of throwing out despite the fact that I actually hate the stuff, thinking 10mg daily for 12 days
The deca is for symptom relief though 100%, If I wanted to bulk up I’d just use more test… not nandrolone, and it was a last resort (as in either that, repeated cortisone shots or long term use of opiate pain medication), and if it doesn’t provide adequate symptom relief, I’ll unfortunately have to pick one of those two options (or medical marijuana… which… no… not only is it incredibly hard to get here, cannabis makes me… dumb… and hazy, can’t say painkillers are any better though)
I’ll almost certainly try a few things down the line in terms of experimentation, however I’d prefer experiments be kept to short duration (say 2-4 weeks in length) and be made occasional/sporadic. For the first time in 8-10 months + I’m able to bench press again/ make overhead motions without significant pain… with BOTH SHOULDERS!!! I can run without crippling pain in my left ankle (burning pain), can squat without knees making noises… Things just feel smoother, perhaps its placebo… but I had the exact same experience last time
I’ll admit, the notion of me using 270 long term was reckless… I was being a dumbass… after two weeks of using said dose however I’ve given myself a small punch in the face… I’m in this for longevity, and I tend to make stupid… typical teenager type decisions at times, thus I don’t want to have “consistent vastly supraphysiologic use of AAS” as a compounding factor there, it’s a recipe to end up dead in my 40s… or 60s (family has great genetics)
My quest here is about improving quality of life as much as possible… while I can still live out an adequate quality of life… given the way I am now, and with the complications associated with nerve damage, BHJMS, scoliosis (that may not be able to be treated at this point) etc… chances are I’ll have FAR more problems as I progress into older age… So I may as well enjoy it while I’ve got it right? I think the point in which I’m back in a similar state as to what I was at age 15 (in terms of pain), being unable to get around adequately even with medication etc… that’s the point at which I’ll say “I’ve had enough”, exercise/physical activity plays a HUGE role within my lifestyle, but I don’t think I could realistically go without it… or being able to move around again…
I’m not perfect, everyone has flaws… I believe being upfront and honest about them spares one a fair amount of stigmatisation, esp later on… imagine had I lied about my age, the revelation comes out NOW that I’m 19, not 26 or whatever
Idk if you saw the updated version of my nandrolone post. One of the studies interestingly seemed to indicate a large portion of cardiac damage induced is in part due to beta adrenergic receptor up regulation, sympathetic nervous system dominance (so perhaps a tachyarrythmnia induced cardiomyopathy)… however it did state the upregulation way present in rodent models absent of a HR increase suggesting the upregulation may be in response to cardiac damage… however given certain models regarding pro arrhythmic effects of AAS themselves I believe the upregulation would be as a result of the drugs themselves, not as a result of direct cardiac injury (direct cardiac injury could theoretically be induced from AR binding in cardiac myocytes)… in which case, I take beta blockers so… PROTECTIVE SHIELD ACTIVATE (just kidding)… I’d forgotten about that study (had read it before, but somehow fell behind within my brains knowledge… retention… database)
Alright… I’m 26 using
700mg tren
500 mg test
50mg winny daily
40mcg clen
50mcg T3
should I pop in some GH, slin and DNP… supposedly thats better due to the arbitrary age bracket right?
(if anyone can’t tell, I’m not 26 and I’m not engaging in such madness)
Should lie about my age… what an ethical thing to do (granted I’ve done this and succeeded in order to get into clubs twice at age 17… so… I have done that before)
I read something along the lines of “the trouble with the world is dumb people are so certain while smart people are so uncertain.”
I think some posts exemplify this on this thread.
You’ve legitimately just spot on described the dunning Krueger effect… another member on this forum mentioned it… I looked it up to see what it was after he mentioned it… and it’s STUNNING how often this applies to the real world
That being said, when I’m in a debate regarding something I feel strongly about, yet am not well versed upon (say the geopolitical conflict between the US and the Middle East and the way Donald Trump handles it)… I’ll debate with my brother, give my opinion but at the end state “all in all, I’m not well versed on this, however I see it like this… perhaps you could help me extrapolate my opinion or better understand the situation”… Thankfully my twin (fratneral) is an incredibly intelligent individual, and we have similar opinions (he majored in politics during high school and his passion for politics on a global scale rivals that of mine for medicine) and thus explains the situation out to me (in detail) within a way that is both unbiased and informative to help me develop my own personalised opinions further.
This effect is very common on AAS forums. People who have extensive research of around 1 hour total seem to know exactly how things should be done.
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Thank you very much @aaronca for such a detailed response, I really appreciate it. I’m going to have to find a way to work pre workout carbs in with the timing of my armour thyroid I take in the morning… But this is awesome info, thank you.
Sorry for detailing the thread.
Being 26 doesn’t make a difference. I wouldn’t condone the above no matter what age you were. But when a 18-19 year old kid rolls in here with a similar plan, you wanna do mental gymnastics to try and justify it.
I know for myself, using gear woulda been a waste at 26, and definitely moreso at 18 or 19
This being said @unreal24278 it seems like you do a ton of research on TRT/AAS/Pharma, but how in depth is your training knowledge? You mention never maxing out, which I think is smart, but how can you tell if whatever youre using is actually working, and if your body is responding to any proper training?
When people are telling kids not to use steroids, your responses come off as if they’re not taking a stab at you. It seems like you plug in your situation everytime you “play devils advocate” for an 18 year old kid wanting to cycle. But they don’t have the same situation as you do.
Wasn’t the case here, if you go up about 10 posts the guy repeatedly questioned me for being on TRT at 19
And bullshit… stop telling me I try condone illicit drug use within an underage (or any) cohort when that simply isn’t the case. There is no “mental gymnastics” to justify recreational drug use, it’s a bad decision… full stop… even more so the younger you are
I’m merely pointing out that some adult men are just as stupid… I made that post regarding playing “devils advocate” not to say “you should use gear, go for it” but to make a point “hey, why do we let it slide when they’re just a little bit older but deciding to use dosages 10 x higher than the kid was”…
Regardless I’m not arguing with you here, you’ve brought this up about 3-4 times since that one post and I’m not going to waste my time arguing about it. I apologise if the post came off as inappropriate… I apologised back then too… it wasn’t my intention to condone or say “it’s okay”
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Well I wouldn’t know, I don’t just train with weights, nor do I “cycle” either. I employ running, swimming, cycling, weights etc into my training
I don’t max out because due to my ailments I’m prone to injury if I do… so what’s the point?
I know I CAN deadlift 405x3 (probably wouldn’t be able to today because I’m sick… coronavirus aaaaahhhhh… just kidding), I know I used to be able to bench slightly over 100kg (would now probably be… just 100kg)… but I’m not strong, I don’t train for strength and I’ve never cared about hitting arbitrary numbers. What I care about is staying strong enough to provide stability around my joints/connective tissues
And my research doesn’t only pertain to anabolic steroids, medicine in general (specifically endocrinology, biochemistry, weather (meteorology) and more are the prime topics I tend to look up…
To tell me the only way to know if I’m responding is by testing my 1rms is lucicrous. There any many other ways to test whether progressive overload has been achieved
In terms of aerobic capacity an increase in distance (and with a correlated decrease in exertion) would be an example of progressive overload/training progress. With weight training instead of chasing numbers I could increase repititions, sets, time under tension etc. I apologise if I seem defensive or brash, but it appears people like to assume as if… because I’m young, that I either.
- don’t know how to train/what principles correlate with progress
- don’t know how to eat adequately to make progress for MY OWN BODY
- shouldn’t have chronic pain and/or be on TRT once again due to an arbitrary age bracket
I can link data in which subjects gained an equitable amount of LBM with 30% of 1rm comparative to 80-90%… in which case, yes… I do still sometimes train in lower rep ranges (5-8), but why would I want to when the chance of injury dramatically increases for me? I stick to 10-20 reps almost all the time
Can also link data that appears to indicate overall volume is more important than training frequency as a whole… just food for thought for those who “tell” you you “have” to train each body part 3x weekly or whatever if you’re natural
So say you’re hitting chest 1x weekly but getting 30 sets in vs 3x weekly but getting 10 sets in per workout… in terms of how much muscular hypertrophy that occurs the difference doesn’t appear to be significant… however from a purely strength training perspective I’d argue it’s probably best to practice the movement (bench press or whatever) more frequently to better develop neurological pathways/motor recruitment units allowing one to push/pull more weight
But from a strictly bodybuilding perspective, as long as you train routinely I don’t think frequency matters THAT much
… that’s a lot of Tren. Sarcasm is sneaky.
You make it clear you don’t condone it for kids. When I say kids I don’t mean underage but 18-21 year old kid. Your disclaimer is cheeky too. But then you also make it a point to “hey just playing devils advocate” and “I’m 19 and I been irresponsibly using but I know the risks” on the same thread as everyone else saying no.
Nice you’re citing all sorts of research and data, but what are YOUR results exactly? I can copy pasta from the Internet all day and you wrote a whole but basically said nothing