yeah true, but if you you want to discourage people, show them people who overdosed or are in jail, not people who recovered and are living life like nothing happened.
Just like with steroids - not saying no with examples of people who are anomalies like Larry Wheels, but dudes who look like some of the Indian kids here with zero gains, gyno, and no more libido.
The manifesto wasn’t merely pertaining to me
I used me and numerous adults as examples. Yes, the situation is different regarding myself and other kids. But you’re fixated on the mere point that I used myself as an example. Would you prefer that I instead only list examples of adults. There are many on here. Trenzo comes to mind… 24, first cycle is
Feels great… won’t be alive 20 years from now if he keeps this up
Sure, the “beyond scared straight” approach showcasing the absolute worst case scenarios can work… or it can merely make the kid think “these are scare tactics, I know tons who have experimented with drugs, used gear and are fine”. Yes, show the guys who have overdosed, fucked up their lives beyond belief, show them that prospect, but also show the ones who have recovered, let them give advice regarding mistakes
The approach needs to be multi factoral
I’ve found the harsh “no” approach just pisses kids off
But we’re not talking about 24 year old Trenzo here - save that discussion for his topic
This topic is about an 18 year old kid who hasn’t done the bare minimum basic training or the prerequisite research to be on cycle.
He shouldn’t cycle, not due to lack of training experience (though this certainly factors in… if you’ve never touched a weight you can make mad gains roughly equatable to the speed at which you’d gain on 500mg test/wk)… but due to his lack of ability to train, eat correctly for him and knowledge regarding the drugs at stake. if you haven’t even figured out how to eat to gain… you shouldn’t be using lol
I have been on these forums for 2 years now to stay fresh on new views and research but enough is enough; I created an account because I am sick and tired of this bullshit information going around…
HCG is NOT to be done during a cycle, stop fucking spreading bullshit information. You want to do HCG during your cycle and waste your money just to keep your balls a little bigger? DUMB DUMB DUMB. You are on STEROIDS, your balls are going to be shut down regardless, injecting HCG during cycle does N O T H I N G for you when you start your PCT.
Instead of telling the kid to do research, why don’t you do your own? IFBB pros? Actually yes, I have been coached by Greg Doucette for 4 years now, he is one of the most knowledgable guys out there and he condemns the use of HCG during cycle. In fact, many do.
Watch this, HCG talk starts at 6 min mark, then come back and tell me why the fuck you would use HCG during cycle…no logic.
Wow… first post… way to deliver information like an absolute dick
Do I think HCG should be used on cycle? No… the risks certainly outweigh the benefits. I do however think there’s a place for it if someone is say… on TRT, wishes to conceive, short term use in that case (injectable FSH is probs a better idea tho)
But do you’re own research as to why it’s a bad idea… this
Doesn’t gain you any credibility whatsoever. However I do agree with the notion that HCG isn’t warranted for on cycle use or prolonged use in general. Not enough research here
Wow douchem, you told me. But even if I was wrong about any of it, IF I helped a kid who is 18 to rethink running that cycle, then I dont really give a shit what Dr Greg or you have to say. Hcg is going to keep him shut down longer, it is going to aromatize, it is going to raise his E2, in which then he would probably be taking an AI, another drug he doesnt need.
You can twist what I say and take it out off context, I dont really care. Thank you for creating an account and contributing to the forums, even if you act like a cunt.
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Aromatisation from HCG is intratesticular in nature, AI wont help. But Greg Doucette isn’t a Dr btw, he’s an IFBB bodybuilder with a rather interesting array of videos one can watch
This looks like the “straightnasty” situation all over again (were you involved there? There was a man who came dispensing advice like this, I called him out on being a dick, he started spouting back these incredibly innapropriate replies… it was kind of like a verbal sparring match between me and him… then Chris got involved and banned the dude because he was saying some incredibly rude/unacceptable things)
I read that post as Greg yelling it at us before even noticing he was coached by him. 4 years huh? you must be in some shape!
Unless of course you’re using something that mimics luteinizing hormone and keeps your testes functioning at a small but meaningful baseline. But hey, who needs science when we have some angry anonymous rando telling us what to do?
Mature. You are doing absolutely nothing for the kid; he has most likely come on here and already done his research, which he will continue to do. Judging by the fact that he already knew everyone was going to tell him to go fly a kite, I assume that he has already made up his mind regardless. So what have you done for him? Given him false information to start with. Instead of feeding him a bunch of baloney, how about ensure that if he is going to run something, that he actually does it properly. But no, “run HCG during your cycle”. A cunt? A dick? 100%, because you are going to end up fucking his endocrine system into the ground with your nonesense.
OP knows what he is doing is not smart, but you tell to piss off and he can always go scour the other threads on here and find his answers (where he will probably find more of your misinformation). But you know what, these kids want to look like these other enhanced kids on youtube and instagram who have been on gear since the age of 16 themselves.
I have no idea what you are referring to, but I’m not here to have a fight, I’m here to educate despite maybe being too enthusiastic; unfortunately I feel the need to be because too many young kids come on here, and too many walk away with rotten information, so you might as well tell them how to run the damn cycle properly - or better yet find a compromise and get him to bring down the dosages or remove certain compounds.
I have no interest in “credibility”. I am outlining that i’ve been working with Greg for a while and trust his credentials.
Doctors know shit all when it comes to AAS use for training so this is irrelevant.
The concept of leydig receptor downregulation concerns me… However we do have some literature showcasing it’s effective in regards to maintaining fertility on TRT. I personally don’t see the need. If on for 10 weeks or so you’ll typically bounce back (though some don’t with or without HCG)
Dr is a formal prefix inferring one had a PHD, not an MD.
Isn’t this just the pot calling the kettle black
He called you a douche, said you were being a cunt due to the way you extrapolated you’re info/ conveyed you’re ideology. You outright insulted @newbvet for no reason, hence his swift and harsh backtalk
not condoning that either
Theres a guy on here called Trenz, first cycle… on
700mg tren
600mg test
50mg var
If you could explain to him (I’ve tried) why this is SUCH a bad idea (more than one person calling him out might help) I’d appreciate that. He’s 24, will fuck himself up IMMENSELY. Now he is recommending (on one post) that others use tren for first cycle… I’m sick of this trenhavior (I call this tren induced behaviour, as I’ve noticed novices who begin gear that decide to blast tren have profound changes in demeanour and tend to become absolute dickheads… tren has powerful impacts on neurology, it should really only be reserved for competitors or veteran users who can handle it)
Many don’t understand/can’t comprehend the long term risks regarding endocrine output, cardiovascular morphology etc
What meaningful baseline are you even talking about? This is incredibly frustrating. Have you actually tried comparing both protocols on yourself? Meaning, you’ve done HCG on cycle, and a cycle without and have seen a notable difference in your bloodwork post-cycle? It does nothing!!! HCG is done post-cycle, end of.
A bit oversensitive don’t you think? I merely swore, said that his info was bullshit, and that he was dumb for doing so.
I use hcg and have for 28 months. My results are only positive. The month I spent without it was less pleasant.
I’m not sure what you even mean by that, 28 months? That’s a first for me, never heard of someone casually running HCG like that. In my experience, HCG is run post cycle, and then you taper off. Furthermore, HCG actually cost more than gear per vial so not sure how you are affording all this - not my business nonetheless.
Terrible idea, once gear has washed out of ones system, HCG is an LH mimick, will only prolong negative feedback loop… Keep you shut down for longer. Running in between last shot and PCT is a different story
You’re an expert on this but you’re unfamiliar with TRT? My man…
Dunning - Kruger is often demonstrated on this forum. I know I bring this up often, but people’s perception of their “expertise” amazes me.
I’ll admit, many know more than me, but I think I have a good understanding of where I sit in the knowledge of AAS.