This is what I wish I could convey to the people who come on here and say “I know I’m gonna die young, but I wanna take these insane dosages because BBing is life” (as if using steroids like that is any different than smoking crack). You’re not okay with dying young, you just have no concept of your mortality, and, most importantly, you have nothing in your retarded life that’s more important than you. The minute that kid comes into the world and you realize you’d kill for him/her, and die for him/her, shit is never the same. My dad never met my kids. Barring a natural disaster, that probably won’t be the case for me.
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Exactly. Kids CHANGE EVERYTHING.
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Lol it isn’t when you’ve got that “I don’t care if I’m gonna die young, I’m going to compete… eventually… so my cruise dose is 2000mg”… it’s no better, as a matter of fact I’d rather try smoking crack then try cruise on 2g tren + sdrol like (stopped posting again) a member on here did…
Time to fire up the crack pipe (jokes)
I’m not okay with dying young… not at all, do I think I will? Perhaps… but not by choice, and it might be entirely unrelated to AAS.
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I don’t think you come across as an asshole, I just disagreed with the notion of needing to earn you’re gear card, I think it’s more related to
this, if one isn’t able to do this/comprehend risk adequately nor is he adequately educated then he/she has no use with gear. Lot’s of kids still unfortunately use gear. The prospect of coming on here may be helpful however. As many a times at least we know, when a kid/adult comes on here it typically means he/she isn’t sure of his/her predicament, is seeking validation and approval… a sense of approval from others creates a sense of security regarding the situation, a sense of security of which they won’t get. We may receive rude, insulting, hot-headed replies (typical with cocky teenagers), however the fact they’re on here in the first plays demonstrates a lack of security/certainty regarding the situation. Many kids are even worse, and will simply hop on (I know a few kids who use gear, and others who have asked me to procure gear/asked me about gear), I typically flat out dispense advice in such intricate detail that they get bored and put off by the legitimate risks at stake.
I’m having serious trouble making it to gym (can’t really exercise intensely)
- was told to lay off all weightlifting for at least 1 wk post cortisone shot
- being anaemic makes me feel tired and shitty 24/7
- having low T (out of needles, recently had to re-use a very old one… super dangerous, but I was dipping down very low), now low again, could use DBOL but need to get bloods for TRT doc (which won’t be great anyway) and my liver enzymes are still slightly elevated following my retardation in Europe… Jesus, if they were elevated now, how bad do you think they were two weeks ago! Alcohol is POISON!
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What did you get the cortisone shot for? Absolutely hate that shit.
And why the hell are you running low on needles ?!
Chronic subacromial bursitis, it was that or deca… I chose to try the cortisone shot once, if that doesn’t work I’ve got the option of seeing an orthopaedic surgeon… fuck that. Same with the haemorrhoid induced iron deficiency anaemia… surgery is now the option I’ve got as rubber band ligation has proved unhelpful, I don’t want to be put under the knife again… I don’t like it and the hospitals make me anxious, I always think “what if I don’t wake up?”. I need to boost my RBC count asap though as it’s been progressively dropping for the past year now, my haemoglobin is 130, RBC count I can’t recall… and god damn do I feel terrible…
Because I forgot to buy more and due to (I presume stigmatisation or lack of demand here) my local pharmacy only sells insulin needles… can’t draw with that. I didn’t have any money for a while, but convinced my father to buy me some, my mother is/was a medical professional, she she convinced him to give me the money for it as he thought I was just complaining, then she said “no… this is actually dire, he seriously needs those needles”
Both my parents (aside from my fathers beliefs/political ideologies) and much of my further family are coincidentally incredibly smart.
That’s seriously sucks, nothing better than rest, but at the same time, if you’re anything like me, resting makes you feel like shit in every other way imaginable. Hope the cortisone helps!
well, in Europe I went the better part of 6 wks without gym
I stopped benching/pressing for a good 6 months
I’d be miserable. I would be miserably depressed missing 6 weeks. Sounds like you need 2g of Deca to heal right up! 
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thanks everyone for thinking about a teen lol i just want fast results and thats it but maybe ill give it some time and keep trying “natty”
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I feel like every time a child posts here asking for steroid advice, you find some way to long-handedly justify it with these walls-of-text that seem to be more about justifying your own use.
if you acknowledge that your own use is irresponsible, what point exactly are you trying to make?
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I’m pointing out that many of us make irresponsible decisions, it’s not merely the individual at stake posting here. I don’t think kids should be using, but then again the majority of adults who come on here I don’t think should be using either. Is it worse for the kid if he uses compared to a 30 y/o man with a kid/family with no knowledge regarding the long term implications of his festivities (say both want to run 500mg/wk)… yes, undoubtedly… the kid has the prospect of potentially screwing up his fertility, there’s the notion of prefrontal cortex development in play here (of which AAS can interfere with, however even this notion is flawed as I can demonstrate literature demonstrating alterations in brain morphology being fairly identical within those who have used at very high dosages for a while regardless of age)
The biggest problem I have with young use is a lack of ability to comprehend risk and attitudes/outlooks towards life. Many youngsters are cocky, know it all types (you can shoot back here and say I’m the same, perhaps I am. But such a response to my writing here would merely serve as nothing other than a jab to irritate me). When one uses gear (particularly high dosages), it feeds into such ideology due to the impact on neurology… making said individual more prone to making bad decisions whilst on. But if I’m going to say “what’s worse, - 30 yo running 700mg tren 300mg test 50mg winny” without any knowledge regarding the pharmacokinetics of the compounds or the kid running a bit of test… obviously it’s the moron deciding to run dosages that elicit potentially devastating long term (and even acute/intermediate) effects.
I’m not here to condone the use from young individuals, nor am I here to condone the use for older people… I never said I was trying to justify my own use and I admit it’s irresponsible, though it’s not as bad as those coming on here blasting insane megadoses without having a clue what they’re putting into their body. I’m versed on the risks/rewards, the pharmacokinetics and potential long term repercussions, I do perceive therapeutic benefit and I thoroughly think out my decisions… does that make it acceptable? No… it’s recreational drug use, however there’s still an informed decision being made. It’s not justification, I think justifying something like recreational drug use (what I perceive this to be) would be absurd. Those who can’t comprehend the ramifications of their decisions need not be using gear. This pertains to 99.9% of kids and a good portion of adults who come on here. I have no doubt that by the time YOU decide to pull the plug you’ll be well informed, educated and responsible regarding you’re own use. I don’t believe in the natty elitist “earn you’re gear card” rhetoric, but I do believe in the notion of being very careful, meticulously planning things out and learning as much as possible before you use, and I believe you are one of those individuals who will be reasonable, responsible etc about use
My own use is currently TRT (prescribed), I don’t cycle (though I do microdose compounds for experimentation)
Should be noted those who justify use because “I compete” when they compete in very low level meets / have never competed but want to… and use like 5 grams of gear weekly, that’s one of the lamest excuses in the book to me
Someone like flipcollar has literally been the strongest man in the WORLD for his weight class regarding certain lifts… if HE wants to justify 2 grams of tren, so be it, he knows what he’s doing. The only notion I believe in which it’s acceptable for one to need to “earn” a gear card is when you’re using insane dosages in which there’s serious risk at stake… at which point… WHY would you do that to yourself unless you’re making serious bucks off this or you’re profession depends on it
Another thing, I’m all for deterring individuals from using gear… but sometimes… sometimes people use fear tactics or spread information to these individuals that is blatantly false to try deter them… I do not condone fear mongering or falsified info as a deterrence mechanisms… why? Because they’ll eventually figure out you’ve been bullshitting, now any notion of trust regarding this subject is gone
That’s what happened with my parents and cannabis, I grew up being told it was “one of the worst things” I could do… I tried it one day as I turned to literature to see what was actually known, turns out it didn’t have ANY of effects that were parroted towards me.
A Young Man with Myocardial Infarction due to Trenbolone Acetate; a Case Report - PMC
These are the kinds of articles that should be shown to youngsters in terms of deterrent mechanisms. People need to realise there are far more long reaching effects than “gains, gyno and erectile functioning”… people need to be made aware of the long term endocrine (trt for life), neurological (mania, impaired decision making with high dosages of certain compounds in those prediposed… hell, one study demonstrated something like 6-10 percent of people given 600mg test developed manic symptoms) and cardiovascular (most concerning of all… that and effect on the kidneys)
You never did mention how tall you are?
You’re young… you have / should have, plenty of naturally testosterone. You are in your PRIME to get as big as your frame will allow, THEN, consider this route. You have to figure out how to grow naturally, first. Otherwise once you come off cycle, your body will not maintain what you built.
Hire a new trainer, who understands your build, and isn’t rushing to suggest steroids.
Don’t you think it’s hypocritical to criticize others of “irresponsible use” when you admit to it yourself?
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No, there’s a saying, do as I say… not as I do.
However I can see you’re point… it’s like a heroin addict telling you not to use heroin. I’m not going to say “but you use heroin”
My level of irresponsibility is minor compared to those using megadosages without any comprehension of the potential devastating long term sides. I’m not going to take the high ground here, but there’s different levels of sheer irresponsibility. My usage is very, VERY mild, it’s the comparison between having two or three beers and downing a bottle of vodka
If an active heroin user tells somebody not to use heroin, I’d say “No shit! Shut the fuck up”
The same way when you tell kids not to use steroids, its “no shit!” no need to write out a manifesto about it and include examples of your own use
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Yes but I feel as if when we just say “no” the kid will think (as I would) “he’s just saying no for the sake of saying no… he doesn’t know shit”… while I may not have the exact same mentality as some teenagers, I can put myself in the same mindset being that at age 13-14 I had the EXACT same mentality. I was a hot headed, know it all who thought he knew the secrets to… everything…
It’s beneficial to outline WHY they shouldn’t use, and if they’re still sceptical, pull out the literature highlighting that very REAL and potentially life altering (say permenantly infertility anyone?) consequences do exist.
That’s my take on it, make them feel like one of you… an adult, give them factual information. If they have half a brain 99% of the time the risks/complexity of hormonal alteration will put them off
Although some may take it that way, what about the flip side of that. “Someone who has done this shit, who knows this shit, is advising against it, maybe I should listen… maybe they have learned from their mistakes and are trying to help me”.
Who knows, some kids will take things one way, and others will take it an entirely other.
When you include in your manifestos that you yourself use stuff irresponsibly, then its not “he’s just saying no for the sake of saying no” its more like “So? he’s my age and he’s doing it, so these adults telling me otherwise are wrong” especially when they don’t understand the extent of your medical need.
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