Here’s an old pic of me for comparison’s sake from before I started lifting. I probably weighed a whopping 170lbs and have no idea what my arms measured at the time
I hit 16 over the summer, should be somewhere around 16.5 right now, don’t have a measuring tape in the new apartment.
I’ve got good insertions in my biceps, but due not great insertions and real shitty development of the long head of the triceps, I was really missing out on some size, thanks to some tips from Cephalic_Carnage, im currently using some exercsises of DC to help bring them around.
[quote]WS4JB wrote:
I hit 16 over the summer, should be somewhere around 16.5 right now, don’t have a measuring tape in the new apartment.
I’ve got good insertions in my biceps, but due not great insertions and real shitty development of the long head of the triceps, I was really missing out on some size, thanks to some tips from Cephalic_Carnage, im currently using some exercsises of DC to help bring them around.[/quote]
I’ll tell you, C_C is one of the most knowledgable memebers on this site. The man knows his stuff and I’d reccomend anyone to listen to his advices, God knows he’s helped me a lot. Thanks for all the advices C_C if you read this brother.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I’ll tell you, C_C is one of the most knowledgable memebers on this site. The man knows his stuff and I’d reccomend anyone to listen to his advices, God knows he’s helped me a lot. Thanks for all the advices C_C if you read this brother.[/quote]
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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
I hit 16 over the summer, should be somewhere around 16.5 right now, don’t have a measuring tape in the new apartment.
I’ve got good insertions in my biceps, but due not great insertions and real shitty development of the long head of the triceps, I was really missing out on some size, thanks to some tips from Cephalic_Carnage, im currently using some exercsises of DC to help bring them around.
I’ll tell you, C_C is one of the most knowledgable memebers on this site. The man knows his stuff and I’d reccomend anyone to listen to his advices, God knows he’s helped me a lot. Thanks for all the advices C_C if you read this brother.[/quote]
No thanks necessary, just keep on increasing those poundages…
And for some reason you guys all love the IHP’s, don’t forget about the srgb 
You’ll be one happy bodybuilder once you put up serious numbers on that one.
X, I agree with your philosophies most of the time, but one thing I do disagree with is the assumption that because someone does not meet a certain level of development that they do not train hard.
This is far from the truth. We all come from different places, have different levels or experience, etc. Myself for example, I have only been training since April 2007. I was a huge, fat fuck. I take full responsibility for that.
I do not have “fat genetics”, I do not consider myself an “endomorph” or an “ectomorph” or a whatthefuckevermorph." none of that shit matters. I was fat. I was lazy and even though I had an active childhook I had never been in a gym for more than a month straight in my life.
That was my starting point. It is not ideal, but it is where I was and I could not do anything about the decisions I made in the past. All that I could do is look ahead and control the now. I spent a good 16-18 months cutting from 290ish lbs down to 203. I’ve spent a few months bulking back to 230 (note: I’m 6’3 with a naturally broad shoulder base).
Anyways, I have 15" arms. No where close to 17. Probably a year or yr and a half away from that. I have killed myself in the gym and in the kitchen for closing on two years. I am long way from where I want to be, but that has nothing to do with effort, dedication, or even knowledge. It has mostly to do with time and bad choices that were made a long time ago.
I am sure that there a lot of people on this site that are in the same boat or a different boat with the same consequences. Point is, just because someone doesn’t fit into your model image of someone who is busting their ass in the gym doesn’t mean that there aren’t plenty who are. It takes time.
[quote]GuerillaZen wrote:
X, I agree with your philosophies most of the time, but one thing I do disagree with is the assumption that because someone does not meet a certain level of development that they do not train hard.
This is far from the truth. We all come from different places, have different levels or experience, etc. Myself for example, I have only been training since April 2007. I was a huge, fat fuck. I take full responsibility for that.
I do not have “fat genetics”, I do not consider myself an “endomorph” or an “ectomorph” or a whatthefuckevermorph." none of that shit matters. I was fat. I was lazy and even though I had an active childhook I had never been in a gym for more than a month straight in my life.
That was my starting point. It is not ideal, but it is where I was and I could not do anything about the decisions I made in the past. All that I could do is look ahead and control the now. I spent a good 16-18 months cutting from 290ish lbs down to 203. I’ve spent a few months bulking back to 230 (note: I’m 6’3 with a naturally broad shoulder base).
Anyways, I have 15" arms. No where close to 17. Probably a year or yr and a half away from that. I have killed myself in the gym and in the kitchen for closing on two years. I am long way from where I want to be, but that has nothing to do with effort, dedication, or even knowledge. It has mostly to do with time and bad choices that were made a long time ago.
I am sure that there a lot of people on this site that are in the same boat or a different boat with the same consequences. Point is, just because someone doesn’t fit into your model image of someone who is busting their ass in the gym doesn’t mean that there aren’t plenty who are. It takes time. [/quote]
I think you misunderstand what my opinion is. If you just started training, no one is expecting you to have 18" arms overnight. However, many of these guys have been training for several YEARS. Some even longer than me and they still have arms around 15". Yes, I do think someone like that isn’t training very hard or putting the time in at the kitchen table if the goal is to get bigger and stronger.
You don’t get credit for just showing up to the gym and lack of progress over years shouldn’t even be accepted here.
I’m still awaiting your response, Professor X, of my post from page 2.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think you misunderstand what my opinion is. If you just started training, no one is expecting you to have 18" arms overnight. However, many of these guys have been training for several YEARS. Some even longer than me and they still have arms around 15". Yes, I do think someone like that isn’t training very hard or putting the time in at the kitchen table if the goal is to get bigger and stronger.
You don’t get credit for just showing up to the gym and lack of progress over years shouldn’t even be accepted here.[/quote]
If that is the case, then yes there is a problem somewhere there, but I think those people are probably the minority and the disproportionate amount of developed individuals to non-developed (at least seemingly) probably has more to do with inexperience than lack of effort. I can’t imagine someone continuing to go to the gym for that long if they are making that little progress. Maybe I’m just optimistic.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
1morerep wrote:
Professor X wrote: you seem to have a difficult time grasping the idea that most people don’t look big at 170lbs unless they are EXTREMELY short.
actually i grasp the idea just fine as i see examples of it constantly.
Then why do you feel the need to jump in with, “numbers don’t matter” at every given opportunity? .[/quote]
I see where 1morerep is coming from. But, as you have said numbers do matter, but to a degree.
Just b/c someone has 17" arms, doesn’t make them impressive if its covered up by a huge layer of fat as some in this thread have posted. Not knocking them, but anyone can have 17" or larger arms, having at least “some” defintion (not ripped) is important to have just as much as a big arm.
I’m 190ish with 15" arms, I’d like to end up with 17-18 so I’m thinking I’ll have to hit 220-230 lbs to see it 
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
… but anyone can have 17" or larger arms, having at least “some” defintion (not ripped) …
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Apparently, they can’t.
Nobody posted arms with “a huge layer of fat” (ie flabceps). What are we talking, a few mm of fat here?
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
… but anyone can have 17" or larger arms, having at least “some” defintion (not ripped) …
Apparently, they can’t.
Nobody posted arms with “a huge layer of fat” (ie flabceps). What are we talking, a few mm of fat here?[/quote]
We’re all adults here, so I’ll name names and hope not to get flamed, because I don’t mean any ill-will.
Skynett. He has 17" arms but they are no where near impressive looking to me. That being said, he obviously isn’t content with the amount of fat on them, so it’s understandable that he’s a work in progress. I’m just saying that a number is just a number and you can’t solely base judgment from a number when it comes to aesthetics.
However, on the same note, 1morerep is an anomaly when it comes to numbers, so his measurements/#s have to be taken for what they are, an anomaly. Hope that makes sense, I’m battling a head cold and am a little out of it.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
… but anyone can have 17" or larger arms, having at least “some” defintion (not ripped) …
Apparently, they can’t.
Nobody posted arms with “a huge layer of fat” (ie flabceps). What are we talking, a few mm of fat here?
We’re all adults here, so I’ll name names and hope not to get flamed, because I don’t mean any ill-will.
Skynett. He has 17" arms but they are no where near impressive looking to me. That being said, he obviously isn’t content with the amount of fat on them, so it’s understandable that he’s a work in progress. I’m just saying that a number is just a number and you can’t solely base judgment from a number when it comes to aesthetics.
However, on the same note, 1morerep is an anomaly when it comes to numbers, so his measurements/#s have to be taken for what they are, an anomaly. Hope that makes sense, I’m battling a head cold and am a little out of it.[/quote]
What I don’t get is why some of you feel the need to act as if you don’t understand THAT WE ARE ALL WORKS IN PROGRESS. If I had listened to people who threw random comments about how my arms weren’t lean back when they were only 16", they likely would have never made it up the tape measure to 17.
No one here has a goal of being out of shape as the end product.
1morerep isn’t carrying that much size. He just LOOKS like he is. He’s never in his life had to experience trying to build 18" arms just to look equally impressive. His opinion on this particular matter doesn’t hold much weight.
No pun intended.
Ouch - I’ve really got to get cutting. I’m getting called fat way too much around here lately.
And while I don’t think my arms look amazing, I definitely don’t think they look as terrible as some of you are alluding to. But, thems the breaks as they say - if you put something out there, you have to take the criticisms.
But - I think I’m done posting pictures for awhile… ; )
I don’t think they look terrible, I just wouldn’t be proud of them being 17" :shrug:
I’m not happy with mine either, but it is what it is.
This site is like a real gym though. You will find a lot of people that workout, but very few that standout.
There are only a handful of guys (maybe 2 handfuls) at my gym with 11,000 members that make you go “wow, great physique”
17.25 inches as of just now. That’s down from a year ago, and down from where it will be in another couple of months, but if we’re getting called out, I feel like I should chime in.
Hi, by the way.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I don’t think they look terrible, I just wouldn’t be proud of them being 17" :shrug:
I’m not happy with mine either, but it is what it is.
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I really don’t see where you get off on calling out SkyNett on his arms, being they are 17" and yours are 15". Unless he is morbidly obese they are better than yours. Also yours are 15" and not even cut either if the pics in the T-Cell 11-T thread are still how you look…
Yall are raggin’ on my monsterous 15’s! Bringing me down man… j/k
Good work all of you in the 17"+ club, I’ll get there at my own pace, I just don’t want my arms to be too large or “stand out” from the rest of my physique, not that I could train them enough to get them that way, but anyways… I’m 25 and only been training about a year and a half, so I’ll just keep pluggin’ away with my eyes on the prize!
[quote]skohcl wrote:
Yall are raggin’ on my monsterous 15’s! Bringing me down man… j/k
Good work all of you in the 17"+ club, I’ll get there at my own pace, I just don’t want my arms to be too large or “stand out” from the rest of my physique, not that I could train them enough to get them that way, but anyways… I’m 25 and only been training about a year and a half, so I’ll just keep pluggin’ away with my eyes on the prize![/quote]
You really should avoid thinking like this…just train everything hard and eat enough and it will all be fine. And arms, as well as shoulders are nearly impossible to make “too big”.
Here’s a crappy picture for proof purposes. I don’t like this one, but I don’t want to look like some random lurker just running my mouth.
I’m aware that I don’t have a great peak, or a particularly nice shape at the moment. My arms don’t start to really look nice (in my opinion anyway) until they get over 18 inches.