T-Mag jumps the shark with this entry.
RIP T-mag
[quote]caselorance wrote:
I think it depends on his position more than anything
I think you can be big and agile enough for certain positions
You don’t see every player on the field with an 8 pack
some of them have as much of a beer gut as my dad
And I think adding extra weight for a good duration of his pre-professional or collegiate years would allow him to drop weight and have a greater improvement in his stats from removing weight from the body hence allowing you to load more on the bar
numbers say a lot, and they don’t factor in bodyweight when talking about squats even though it def matters
I think that until he can really attack the whole body fat thing with all his conviction, which would be once he gets a good job and lives on his own, then he shouldn’t focus on it much now
it would only hold him back from his potential, b/c he’d be lookin in the wrong places to shave off calories i think to be really committed to a diet you have to attack it from all angles
including your program
since he’s on a strength/size program he shouldn’t be worried at all about his caloric intake, as long as he gets enough carbs and protein he’ll have the energy and amino acids to put on the muscle he’s worked for, otherwise he’d be getting sub maximal gains
which is not what linemen should do
i forget what position he plays
but he did say he wanted to keep on the weight b/c season’s coming up and if you do agility drills before you lose the weight you’ll see a huge advancement in stats once you lose the weight, the longer you are at a heavier weight the more substantial benefits you’ll see once you lose the weight
just do linear sprints and shuttle drills if you want to enhance agility ladder drills help to, but you need a gym and a coach for that
someone to record times[/quote]
Most high school football players just think they need to have lots of weight from what I’ve experienced. They do not differentiate between mucsle and fat as much. That being said, if you have a 300 lb lineman with an 8 pack chances are he’s going to be a helluva lot faster, more agile, and stronger then the fat ass 300 lb guy.
Just because everyone’s doing it doesn’t make it right. Most lineman would stand to be better players dropping a tad bit of fat. That goes for all athletes. More muscle, less fat, = better athlete.
[quote]NickRageSkursky wrote:
discus. I’m a lineman so that’s why i keep some body fat.
- 345[/quote]
Imagine if you were a lineman with just pure muscle and power?
Stop using that as an excuse to be chubby, which you very much are.
That considered, what do you want us to rate? I mean this is rate your physique not rate your posted strength or body fat.
In this forum people rate on what is aesthetically pleasing to the eye in terms of balanced out muscularity. Lean up if you ever decide to re-post.
You look completely untrained. I give you a 1 only because I can not give any lower.
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
caselorance wrote:
I think it depends on his position more than anything
I think you can be big and agile enough for certain positions
You don’t see every player on the field with an 8 pack
some of them have as much of a beer gut as my dad
And I think adding extra weight for a good duration of his pre-professional or collegiate years would allow him to drop weight and have a greater improvement in his stats from removing weight from the body hence allowing you to load more on the bar
numbers say a lot, and they don’t factor in bodyweight when talking about squats even though it def matters
I think that until he can really attack the whole body fat thing with all his conviction, which would be once he gets a good job and lives on his own, then he shouldn’t focus on it much now
it would only hold him back from his potential, b/c he’d be lookin in the wrong places to shave off calories i think to be really committed to a diet you have to attack it from all angles
including your program
since he’s on a strength/size program he shouldn’t be worried at all about his caloric intake, as long as he gets enough carbs and protein he’ll have the energy and amino acids to put on the muscle he’s worked for, otherwise he’d be getting sub maximal gains
which is not what linemen should do
i forget what position he plays
but he did say he wanted to keep on the weight b/c season’s coming up and if you do agility drills before you lose the weight you’ll see a huge advancement in stats once you lose the weight, the longer you are at a heavier weight the more substantial benefits you’ll see once you lose the weight
just do linear sprints and shuttle drills if you want to enhance agility ladder drills help to, but you need a gym and a coach for that
someone to record times
Most high school football players just think they need to have lots of weight from what I’ve experienced. They do not differentiate between mucsle and fat as much. That being said, if you have a 300 lb lineman with an 8 pack chances are he’s going to be a helluva lot faster, more agile, and stronger then the fat ass 300 lb guy.
Just because everyone’s doing it doesn’t make it right. Most lineman would stand to be better players dropping a tad bit of fat. That goes for all athletes. More muscle, less fat, = better athlete.
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I think time and experience prove more faitful over your opinion on the matter, normally I would agree
anyone that is leaner and more physically capable on a level of fat to mass ratio are going to be more capable in general
However, with linemen, you have to take momentum and other general physics into account, not to mention the distribution of fat and muscle on the person
I’ll suffice to say that a 300 lb guy is pushing another 300 lb guy regardless of muscle mass, the one with less muscle is still going to be harder to push past that first 2 seconds, unless the one guy has supreme power, it would still be more advantageous to have extra weight on for the sakes of making it harder for HIM to move you
Even still this kid is not going up against ANY 300 lb pure muscle guys
Even if he were he should be 300lb of muscle plus the additional fat to carry, or else he just doesn’t have the genetics
OR
he hasn’t put in the work or gone about training the right way to achieve his goals, b/c if he worked as hard as the other guy
he should still be as strong as him if not stronger, b/c he’s never gone to the lengths to go on a calorie cutting diet
I don’t know if I put my argument together well enough
but i don’t think your one liner is going to refute hard evidence
backed with over half a century of heavy dudes running into one another
it’s a common fact that college scouts look for heavy guys high school kids will put on sometimes 10-20lbs right before they are scouted, to enhance their chances of getting picked up
AND it helps
sure if he could afford to lose fat and keep putting on muscle at the rate he’s doing now i’d say go for it
but chances are a kid in highschool without a job b/c he plays too much football and other extrecurricular activities can afford financially nor can he afford to put that much time and effort into his diet, i.e. avoiding the large amounts of pasta likely being spewed on his plate late at night by his mommy dearest
she’s lookin out for him b/c that’s what kids need, is calories
especially when they can’t go out and buy themselves lunch or a snack every 3 hours like we BBers tell them to.
Myth #5 on the second page is a good example of what I’m talking about. Your argument of a half a century of “heavy dudes running into one another” well that’s just crap. They also had slavery for a long long time and it didn’t make that right either. The point is just because something has been done one way for a long time doesn’t it make it right or efficient. That’s where superstars come along, they do something different then everyone else does (plus they are usually genetically gifted). The point is if he can be 300 lbs and at a lower bodyfat then why wouldn’t he do it? Him just having weight to have weight isn’t as efficient or beneficial as him having muscle weight. Give him the functional weight and he can overpower people bigger then him and get by people that will be ultimately slower.
[quote]rwong3030 wrote:
strongest in your school… wrestler and football player… how do you train all year long? ive tried lifting on top of wrestling and it didnt work very well… hahahaha[/quote]
And why didnt it work?
[quote]Andyyboy wrote:
rwong3030 wrote:
strongest in your school… wrestler and football player… how do you train all year long? ive tried lifting on top of wrestling and it didnt work very well… hahahaha
And why didnt it work?[/quote]
because i was really tired after practice and the workouts sucked and then i’d be even more tired for wrestling
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Myth #5 on the second page is a good example of what I’m talking about. Your argument of a half a century of “heavy dudes running into one another” well that’s just crap. They also had slavery for a long long time and it didn’t make that right either. The point is just because something has been done one way for a long time doesn’t it make it right or efficient. That’s where superstars come along, they do something different then everyone else does (plus they are usually genetically gifted). The point is if he can be 300 lbs and at a lower bodyfat then why wouldn’t he do it? Him just having weight to have weight isn’t as efficient or beneficial as him having muscle weight. Give him the functional weight and he can overpower people bigger then him and get by people that will be ultimately slower.
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Yeah, I read that article too, and i think you missed the first line where it said “in a sport that requires a high level of agility”
as a lineman, what level of agility do you need… I’ll wait
be sure not to confuse proprioception(coordination) with agility
I’d ask for you to then look at some tapes of linemen and see how rapidly their feet are moving
just to point out
I think your analogy for slavery is… well lacking good paralleling abilities at best
this is a matter of performance vs what you proposed being a matter of morals
the mere definition of right is not even the same in the sense of the word
right being a matter of a just cause
vs
right being the opposite of incorrect
notice how you never hear people say
“slavery is incorrect”
what you just stated was a fallacy
i don’t wanna be a dick any more than I already have on this thread
but you might wanna look it up
you’ll have to excuse me, b/c i apparently don’t know what a linebacker is
if they are the guys that defend the quarterback then I hold my stance that as much weight as possible will assist him even more when he decides to take it off
but if he is any other position on the field i’d vote for dropping BF immediately
MY bad guy
count on a wrestler to know what a linebacker is
[quote]caselorance wrote:
you’ll have to excuse me, b/c i apparently don’t know what a linebacker is
if they are the guys that defend the quarterback then I hold my stance that as much weight as possible will assist him even more when he decides to take it off
but if he is any other position on the field i’d vote for dropping BF immediately
MY bad guy
count on a wrestler to know what a linebacker is[/quote]
dude a linebacker is on defense.
you’re thinking of a lineMAN. but yeah i protect the quarterback.
[quote]NickRageSkursky wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
rwong3030 wrote:
strongest in your school… wrestler and football player… how do you train all year long? ive tried lifting on top of wrestling and it didnt work very well… hahahaha
And why didnt it work?
because i was really tired after practice and the workouts sucked and then i’d be even more tired for wrestling[/quote]
Hehe, if you say so 
[quote]WhiteTiger711 wrote:
You gotta do more bicepts, keep working and one day you might look as good as me[/quote]
Your an idiot.
[quote]Andyyboy wrote:
NickRageSkursky wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
rwong3030 wrote:
strongest in your school… wrestler and football player… how do you train all year long? ive tried lifting on top of wrestling and it didnt work very well… hahahaha
And why didnt it work?
because i was really tired after practice and the workouts sucked and then i’d be even more tired for wrestling
Hehe, if you say so :)[/quote]
maybe it’s b/c ur muscling all of your moves
I was wrestling captain
and now volunteer as a coach
I used to lift everyday before practice
even during lunch
and I never got tired
if anything I just got thirsty
I think that amount of frequency and volume
has stayed with me ever since then
and like many great wrestlers I know
our strength is misleading
I think that goes for anyone that does a bit of overtraining
[quote]NickRageSkursky wrote:
caselorance wrote:
you’ll have to excuse me, b/c i apparently don’t know what a linebacker is
if they are the guys that defend the quarterback then I hold my stance that as much weight as possible will assist him even more when he decides to take it off
but if he is any other position on the field i’d vote for dropping BF immediately
MY bad guy
count on a wrestler to know what a linebacker is
dude a linebacker is on defense.
you’re thinking of a lineMAN. but yeah i protect the quarterback.[/quote]
In that case I hold true to my statement
keep the weight on
[quote]caselorance wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
NickRageSkursky wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
rwong3030 wrote:
strongest in your school… wrestler and football player… how do you train all year long? ive tried lifting on top of wrestling and it didnt work very well… hahahaha
And why didnt it work?
because i was really tired after practice and the workouts sucked and then i’d be even more tired for wrestling
Hehe, if you say so
maybe it’s b/c ur muscling all of your moves
I was wrestling captain
and now volunteer as a coach
I used to lift everyday before practice
even during lunch
and I never got tired
if anything I just got thirsty
I think that amount of frequency and volume
has stayed with me ever since then
and like many great wrestlers I know
our strength is misleading
I think that goes for anyone that does a bit of overtraining[/quote]
i probably do b/c i just started wrestling 2 years ago so i was still learning during last season, and i know i’m strong so i try to use it. but every time i wrestled an experienced guy he kicked my ass. towards the end of the season i started learning though and got alot better
[quote]caselorance wrote:
Yeah, I read that article too, and i think you missed the first line where it said “in a sport that requires a high level of agility”
as a lineman, what level of agility do you need… I’ll wait
be sure not to confuse proprioception(coordination) with agility
I’d ask for you to then look at some tapes of linemen and see how rapidly their feet are moving
just to point out
I think your analogy for slavery is… well lacking good paralleling abilities at best
this is a matter of performance vs what you proposed being a matter of morals
the mere definition of right is not even the same in the sense of the word
right being a matter of a just cause
vs
right being the opposite of incorrect
notice how you never hear people say
“slavery is incorrect”
what you just stated was a fallacy
i don’t wanna be a dick any more than I already have on this thread
but you might wanna look it up[/quote]
So lineman may not need the agility as much as many other places but I still say you are wrong in regards to lineman being as big as possible = better lineman. If that were the case you’d see a ton of 400 lb + guys on the line.
I used slavery because it’s so widely accepted as wrong at least by those who have the internet, to point out that what has been done for a long time isn’t always the right way to go about things. If you want a sports analogy take the high jump.
For the longest time everyone jumped over the bar head first stomach facing the bar. Then Fosbury came along and did it a whole new way and beat everyone. That is a more paralleling approach even though still lacking I suppose.
[quote]caselorance wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
NickRageSkursky wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
rwong3030 wrote:
strongest in your school… wrestler and football player… how do you train all year long? ive tried lifting on top of wrestling and it didnt work very well… hahahaha
And why didnt it work?
because i was really tired after practice and the workouts sucked and then i’d be even more tired for wrestling
Hehe, if you say so
maybe it’s b/c ur muscling all of your moves
I was wrestling captain
and now volunteer as a coach
I used to lift everyday before practice
even during lunch
and I never got tired
if anything I just got thirsty
I think that amount of frequency and volume
has stayed with me ever since then
and like many great wrestlers I know
our strength is misleading
I think that goes for anyone that does a bit of overtraining[/quote]
Lifting everyday? Did i say that? Thats pretty much retarded, what kind of split do you do? As a wrestler i would do olympic lifting not a 5split or whatever you did 
How come this guy has a 2,6 and Solid1974 has a 4,6???
Somethings wrong with RMP.
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