Thank you for the detailed reply.
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I will read this. Thank you as this is the type of information I’m looking for.
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That def makes sense. The reason I considered the cycle was to help me in my efforts of putting the muscle back on that i lost, while dropping more fat/recomping.
Yeah that would explain the frequency, but I thought 200-300mcg was a daily dose of CJC. Doing that just once per week, with an ester of sorts attached, seems like it wouldn’t be enough to do anything. Do you know your IGF-1 on it?
No, I am getting new bloodwork done on Thursday. Unfortunately, I do not believe they added IGF-1 onto that requisition. I have a good amount of knowledge around test and amounts, but not CJC. Can you help me with what would be a “typical dose” of CJC w/DAC?
Thanks man. It has been a long road of life hitting me in the face. Slowly starting to see my old self coming back.
I have all the lab numbers. Been tracking them for years now. Doc pit me on Clomid to try and raise test levels to alleviate symptoms (mainly from not being able to lift and gaining fat). Clomid helped me TT go from 400 to 716, but my free dropped from 21 to 13. Estrogen is high at 72 and other than being overweight, can’t really figure out why. Also, I do not recognize any symptoms from the estrogen being elevated.
Your article makes sense. Two questions:
- What if I still want to be able to conceive within the next year or two? TRT w/HCG and attempt it?
- Sounds like doing a cycle (if one wants to) followed by TRT would be the way to get around the highs and lows?
I can see where this makes sense. Thank you for the perspective.
Priorities. If creating more humans is your number one priority - do it first, then use steroids. Or freeze sperm or whatever modern options i am sure there are.
But understand one thing. Just because one option is called “cycling” and other one is “blasting” it doesnt mean one of them is safer. The idea behind cycling is to let your body rest and recover but in reality it doesnt work like that. The idea is as beautiful as Communism is, but it doesnt work in real world.
The recovery is a HELL on your body by itself. But also, every time you start a cycle or a blast its a russian roulette with 1 bullet loaded. There are NO guarantees, that you will EVER recover after any cycle. And no guarantees that you will be able to create more humans after any cycle. If you would search or just scroll through the topics, you will find at least 2 within last month, where guys come for help because years after their ONLY cycle, they havent seen an erection ever again. There are at least 10 topics like that within last few years. One of the guys did a cycle like 6-7 years ago and still is all fucked up. And there are also cases of a person being 10 years blasting and cruising and actually having a kid.
Yes, that is the only way anyone ever does it. No athlete cycles since like 90s. The only place where cycling is a thing are online forums because people who are not real athletes and actually would have no business doing steroids, still wanna take them for extra half an inch of a biceps, but dont want to commit so they are sold by the idea that you can take steroids and then just NOT take them, and be ok… How that goes - well for some it does, but some come back and ask for help because their peepee is all ruined forever now.
This is sobering. The thought for most people it seems is along the lines of, “Most of my buddies on TRT are conceiving, most body builders who blast like crazy had kids and without detrimental sides. TRT will boost my sex drive, muscles, mental drive, etc” So, why would it be different for me? Maybe that is the reality you can shed light on for me and others reading. Your response about the realities should be a pinned post for everyone thinking about considering this road.
You dont seem to understand what is TRT.
TRT is when you body is already fucked. TRT is medicine. Its a fix for broken people. The ones that benefit TRT the most are the ones who dont produce any test naturally, they have no sex drive all their lives, they have high e2, depression.
TRT replaces what normal people make naturally. So if there is a scale of 100-1000 test, and for your age normal would be 700-800, but your bloodwork says 150, a doctor gives you a dose that would keep you at 700, and you would just be NORMAL.
TRT does not enhance SHIT. The whole point of TRT is to be NORMAL. Normal is NOT enhanced. Normal is just normal.
So if your bloodwork says 700, and you go on same TRT dose as previously mentioned, you just shut your natural off and pump in chemical one, but nothing changes.
Many people go on TRT hoping to “optimize” also. So you have 700, but you want 1000. They think that doing that will make em bigger, stronger, more driven. Usually it doesnt happen because the actual difference between 700 and 1000 is not that noticable by most. Its like taking painkiller when nothing hurts in hopes that it will prevent pain in the future. It wont.
Now, what most people, who claim benefits, actually do, is not TRT. Its blast and cruise. They take 10x the normal drugs on a blast, and 2x the normal drugs on a cruise to maintain.
As far as the conceiving and everything else - there are two sides of the coin. One is that not that many people get any sides. Not many people die, get any heart problems etc, after decades of abuse. But then there is the other side - the guys who did 1 idiotic small cycle, didnt gain shit, but killed their dick forever.
So which one is really important? I tell it by the way that people start their comments.
There are 2 types of people. One are result based and other ones are fear based.
So if a dude comes here and says he wants to be a monster and pump in 1000mgs of tren, imma say “do it, most people dont get any sides…”.
But if a person comes here and says he wants to “cycle” because he thinks its healthier, or they mention any sides before they even started anything, id say the opposite. If a person writes more about his fears than about his passion to the sport, i cant support him using anything because if the guy on 1000mgs of tren drops dead, he probably is ok with it, but if someone takes 250mgs of test while pissing in his pants, and then he ruins himself - thats a real loss, because the person shouldnt have taken anything in the first place.
Long story short - unless you are an athlete who is ready to commit, there is no SAFER way. Since there are people who kill their dicks in one small cycle, id say - as soon as you pin it, you have loaded the bullet in the chamber. It doesnt matter if you pin for 8 weeks or 8 years. The possibility of being fucked is there anyways.
It just boggles my mind, why people who are not real athletes or really passionate about gym, would bother doing a cycle or whatever.
Its like - just because you play Call Of Duty, and kinda like the game, you decide to go to actual war, but only once, just to get the experience, and just to get the feel of it… Like what the fuck? As soon as you land, the chance of you never coming back is loaded. Some people go to 5 tours and are ok, some get shot out of the sky, never even landed. The bullet in the chamber of a russian roulette is loaded as soon as you start.
As far as just doing 1 cycle…even if it does work, it still is a shit idea because of the reasons i wrote in the article i linked. You still lose everything at the end. You just risked a russian roulette for 3 months worth of better pump that goes away as soon as you cycle off.
Keep in mind that steroids are over-rated also. 99% people here who have done big blasts will agree with me. You get maybe 15% of the gains you were expecting, no matter how low your expectations were.
I have been on grams of stuff for years, and there have been YEARS where i managed to not gain anything. There are so many factors at play. The only difference is that THIS is the only thing i want to do in life so i dont really care, i am in it for the love of it all. But people who want to make these “hit and runs” are always dissapointed.
We have 1000 threads of “imma start a cycle” and maybe 2 of them actually come back, post pics and actually have results. Most of them never post results because when they take pics, there are no visible changes.
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Taking in consideration everybody’s body reacts differently to trt, what is the general time frame a man has before he is unable to conceive ? 12 months 18 months etc after starting trt ?
I dont know. I started using steroids and later blast and cruise when i was 17. I made an educated decision about how i want my life to be and havent had a problem or a single regret for almost 20 years. If you want to make some new humans just do it now and play with hormones later. Or freeze sperm. Why just create artificial problems? 
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