I’m telling you guys, a couple Katana style beheddings by regular folk would deter quite a lot of this bullshit.
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Whoever said something about a girlfight not being dangerous has lived a sheltered life. I’d rather be attacked by an angry man than an angry chick.
To think these guys were pussys is short-sited and childish and I suspect most who would say this type of shit have not seen much actual violence. When you’ve been shot at, beaten up, and actually had to REACT in situations like this (as opposed to watching it on some internet video after the fact and judging the reactions of others), you might be more reluctant to reduce everything down to whether or not someone was “just being a pussy”.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
As for our tuetonic chest thumper, ask any American cop what the most dangerous call is - the answer is DOMESTIC. And it’s not always because of the MAN.
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So true. If you read Rory Miller’s “Meditations on Violence,” one or two of the five incidents that he had with a knife wielding attacker were, I believe with a woman.
And there’s pictures in “Little Black Book of Violence” that have the crime scene of a woman who stabbed her boyfriend in the chest while he slept with a fishing knife. It’s not like the movies.
Women are way, way quicker to grab a weapon than guys are, probably because if they’re fighting, they’re not doing the “Monkey Dance” for dominance- they’re out to hurt someone. [/quote]
So women are way quicker to grab a weapon yet in your first example out of Rory Miller’s incidents with knife weilding attackers the minority were women
And in your second example you give ONE specific incident of a girlfriend stabbing her boyfriend?
Irish i never knew you were so quick to resort to hyperbole
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]SirenSong61 wrote:
Grown men in a bar fight does not compare to a young girl, shopping alone, minding her own business, suddenly being attacked by a gang of mostly adult men, evidently strangers. But hey, when that little girl is your daughter I know all the guilt-stricken bystanders will feel great relief after the fact when you announce you totally understand why they didn’t want to get involved.
I’m sure that girl never thought something like this would ever happen to her, either, during an innocent shopping trip. Oh well. [/quote]
What the fuck are you talking about? What video are you watching? Are you sober?
What I saw was two girls that had plenty of oppurtunities to leave the place BEFORE any violence happened. Then I saw simple assault (or a consensual fight) in which one girl got beat down. It is clear from this video that not only is neither girl minding their own business, but they have big fucking mouths and are poppin off at each other.
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Man, I’m gonna disagree with you here. The girl who got her head stomped walked behind the guards to get away, and when it was clear they weren’t gonna help she tried to walk across the street. That other bitch bummed rushed her and hit her in the back of the head. The girl fought back, and was actually winning that fight. She had the chick in black backpeddling and cornered her into a wall. She lost her footing, hit the floor and the crazy bitch saw her window and jumped through.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Women are way, way quicker to grab a weapon than guys are, probably because if they’re fighting, they’re not doing the “Monkey Dance” for dominance- they’re out to hurt someone. [/quote]
My last girlfriend and I were fighting a while back and she was punching me in the back of the head while I was trying to remove myself from the situation. Before I could reach the front door, she grabbed the closest thing to her–which happened to be a SWIFFER–and started bashing me mith it. The corner caught me in the shoulder and made a nice puncture wound that bled pretty profusely.
One of these deals:
[quote]Itchy wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Women are way, way quicker to grab a weapon than guys are, probably because if they’re fighting, they’re not doing the “Monkey Dance” for dominance- they’re out to hurt someone. [/quote]
My last girlfriend and I were fighting a while back and she was punching me in the back of the head while I was trying to remove myself from the situation. Before I could reach the front door, she grabbed the closest thing to her–which happened to be a SWIFFER–and started bashing me mith it. The corner caught me in the shoulder and made a nice puncture wound that bled pretty profusely.[/quote]
Did you post this story on here? I remember reading something like that on here a while ago
Also, people here keep talking about the signs of violence and self preservation. I already mentioned my getting jumped and resulting mouthful of fake teeth. I’ve got a lot more heavy violence stories. If anyone knows what “the signs of impending violence” are, it’s me. With that, even if those surrounding the altercation had never been exposed to that they still should’ve gotten the vibe and stopped it before it ever escalated to the point of a fucking head stomping.
Once again, no one there was thinking about “the big picture” or saving their jobs. They were scared and didn’t know how to react. Those gangbangers she was with wouldn’t have done shit to help that broad if 2 of those guards hemmed her up and held her down until the cops got there. They’d of been catching ghosts, that girls head wouldn’t have mimmicked a fucking soccer ball and she still would’ve had her personal belongings.
That situation got way out of hand really quickly, but it didn’t have to. The cop in the mall should lose his job, and those security guards should be ashamed of themselves.
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]Itchy wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Women are way, way quicker to grab a weapon than guys are, probably because if they’re fighting, they’re not doing the “Monkey Dance” for dominance- they’re out to hurt someone. [/quote]
My last girlfriend and I were fighting a while back and she was punching me in the back of the head while I was trying to remove myself from the situation. Before I could reach the front door, she grabbed the closest thing to her–which happened to be a SWIFFER–and started bashing me mith it. The corner caught me in the shoulder and made a nice puncture wound that bled pretty profusely.[/quote]
Did you post this story on here? I remember reading something like that on here a while ago[/quote]
i don’t think so, though I may have posted a similar one. I have alot of injury stories.
For example, the above mentioned girlfriend once through a 2x4 at me and I put up my hand to deflect it. Unfortunately, there was 3 1/2 inch screw sticking out and it got stuck in my palm near the wrist.
She mean lady.
Glad you’re alive Itchy … and out of that relationshit
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
So women are way quicker to grab a weapon yet in your first example out of Rory Miller’s incidents with knife weilding attackers the minority were women
And in your second example you give ONE specific incident of a girlfriend stabbing her boyfriend?
Irish i never knew you were so quick to resort to hyperbole[/quote]
The point is that of all Miller’s confrontations with people, five resorted to a knife. Two of those were women. If you take the number of all his altercations, the great majority are likely with men- however, when talking about a weapon, a much higher percentage of women went for a weapon out of those that got violent.
I don’t like speaking for him, I’m only saying what I gathered from his book.
My point is that women, rightly believing themselves to be the physically weaker sex, are more likely to stack the deck in their favor by grabbing a weapon to compensate if they are moved to the point of physical violence.[/quote]
I wasn’t disputing your claim (it makes sense) but your example was a little vague given the claim … plus, being around here for as long as I have, never really have noticed you use exageration that much
Im glad to see there are some decent non-cowardly people out there and that at least most people here have given some thought to what they’d do in a similar situation.
And also find it funny on a site where everyone claims to be so hardcore and “alpha” there are so many pussies. Well at least they aren’t reproducing.
I think it all comes down to the situation though. And sure, we weren’t there, or if you were there and justed walked in, you dont know all the details. And you’ll never know who is on who’s side, who has weapons, or what it is all about.
But I think it all comes down to values. Think of these different situations that you may walk into:
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A guy is getting beat up by three guys and getting beat pretty bad, and nobody else is around?
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A 10 year old girl is geting beat on by 3 girls that are early teens?
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A 10 year old girl is getting beat on by 3 adult males?
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An old woman is getting beat on by a large group of teenage males
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A friend/family member is getting beat on by a group of people?
They are all different, and I would probaly react differently in each situation. The only one where I probably wouldn’t intervene, is #1. Unless I knew the whole story, i’d probably have to assume the guy had it coming and im not gonna take a beating for someone that probably deserved it in some way.
But the rest of the situations, I’d have no problem putting myself in danger to potentially take someone else out of danger or save their life. I’d rather live with injuries or die courageasly than know some 10 year old girl died in front of me because I was too scared to risk my neck.
If you are all about self preservation, thats your choice, and I hope that you at least are not just a complete pussy and do at least have some value for helping others when it is reasonalbe.
And I have another story to add. My GF, I and some friends were at a party a few years back, where we didn’t know many people. One of our friends got a good beating that night by probably 20+ asian guys. None of us helped him. Here is the thing. THIS GUY HAD IT COMING. He was always running his mouth about how he wants to fight people he’s so tough, and how he’s a fighter. Well he got really drunk and pissed off someone’s lady and next thing you know he got “mobbed”. If didn’t have it coming, I would have helped him. The funny thing is, he didn’t learn his lesson at all.
The point is, some people deserve the beating they are getting, maybe even if it isn’t a fair fight. I dont believe the girl in the video deserved what she got. She went to the security guards for help, BUT THEY WERE PUSSIES. Its the same thing as if they weren’t security guards and were instead just 3 random male bystanders.
If a young girl walks up to you and says, “I need your help these people are after me” are you just gonna stand there and watch her get whooped on? THATS SOME COWARDLY SHIT IF YOU ASK ME
You might as well castrate yourself, stop working out, and dress like a female. That way you are removing yourself from the possibility of anyone ever running to you for help. <<<<<<<NOTE this looks pretty similar to X’s philosophy of running from any situation where there may be danger…
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You misunderstood him. Some people, and I consider myself one of them, pay attention to their surroundings very closely. Unless I just literally walked on the scene, I likely would have noticed the beginnings of a fight long before someone actually got a punch in. My first instinct the moment I see signs of an altercation is to remove myself from the area before the violence actually takes off.
I would do the same in a club. Why? Because not doing so will likely get you shot or injured if this turns into a mob mentality.
Mind you, I have worked as a bouncer in the past and still get approached pretty regularly by random people asking me to still do it for whatever engagement or club they are running just because I look intimidating.
Once again, he was not referring to simply walking away from an injured girl. He was talking about removing himself from a potential powder keg before someone lights the match.[/quote]
X, you’re talking to people that, quite frankly, appear to have not been exposed to real violence - else they would consider their thoughts and opinions more carefully. They see clips on the internet, become emotional, get a testosterone surge, and run to the computer and type “I would do this, I would do that”, without once considering or having first hand experience with the consequences of real violence. Anyone that has witnessed violence and its consequences up close and pesonal, does not make light of it. If you have an honest, thoughtful reply, you’re a “sissy”, a coward, etc. Bla bla bla.
As for our tuetonic chest thumper, ask any American cop what the most dangerous call is - the answer is DOMESTIC. And it’s not always because of the MAN.
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Yeah, I know. Some of these responses were actually pretty funny to me…like calling people out for simply discussing the fact that security guards either follow the rules of the security company or they stop being security guards.
There is no doubt in my mind that some of the first to yell out how they would jump in like Superman are the ones who would be first to freeze up if ever in a situation like this.
The people who would actually jump in are most often the ones who have been in situations like this before and who likely would have seen this coming long before she actually ended up on the ground.
However, this is the internet. Here, everyone is a superhero, has a 12" dick, and can bench press 800lbs.
This could possibly be its own thread, but it’s on the same topic of violence, group beatings, self defense.
Link to story here w/ video: http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/Old_City_Shooting_01_17_10
Cliffnotes - Asian guy w/ CCW is out with girlfriend and bumps into a drunk frat stud doing pullups on some scaffoliding. Words are exchanged and frat stud and his buddies start following Asian guy and girlfriend for a block or two. Asian guy pulls gun (thinking it’s going to scare the other guys). In fact, one kid is not scared (beer muscles) and charges him and starts throwing punches. Asian guy pumps six rounds into the kid. He is being charged w/ attempted murder I believe.
Was Asian guy reasonably in fear of seriously body injury and/or death?
Was shooting an unarmed assailant w/ a group reasonable?
Did he think kid was going for the gun?
Is it possible that Asian guy was feeling tough with his CCW, and decided to bump frat stud purposely?
yada yada yada
EDIT: Also, shooter was a law student at Temple in North Philly. I’m presuming he had the gun on him for when he got back home in N.Philly, as this happened in center city.
I am more angry at the security firms policy more than anything else. When we think or see security guard, we think protect and serve. When 1st responders job description change from act to observe we’ll all be in trouble. Hopefully in this litigious society, other 1st responders like police, fireman, and paramedics wont have similiar policies in the future.
I had a security job once and the company was very clear that we could not intervene in any conflicts. We were supposed to call the police. My boss even said to get away from the area. Sounds silly but it must be because of liabilty or somethin.
[quote]SWOLEPOPO wrote:
I am more angry at the security firms policy more than anything else. When we think or see security guard, we think protect and serve. When 1st responders job description change from act to observe we’ll all be in trouble. Hopefully in this litigious society, other 1st responders like police, fireman, and paramedics wont have similiar policies in the future. [/quote]
I used to work as mall security At The Galleria in Houston. We were mostly there as a deterrent, not to actually restrain other people. They gave us no weapons and no specific training to handle a crime at all…much like those guys. I never had an altercation like this because I worked night shift, but I am pretty sure most mall security is the same.
[quote]younggully wrote:
I had a security job once and the company was very clear that we could not intervene in any conflicts. We were supposed to call the police. My boss even said to get away from the area. Sounds silly but it must be because of liabilty or somethin.[/quote]
It is. We were told to call the police if anything went down.
This should go to the combat forum.
It is a very good example of our society’s inability to deal with or understand violence.
I agree with that German dude that you’d get fucked legally (in Germany) if you wouldn’t help in that situation, and that it’s a definite shame for security to just stand and watch.
But I can also perfectly understand why many would find it prudent to just walk away.
Both parties are right. The reason for this paradox:
our (western) societies slowly lost a coherent concept of violence.
But really, let’s talk about this in the Combat section!
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
This should go to the combat forum.
It is a very good example of our society’s inability to deal with or understand violence.
I agree with that German dude that you’d get fucked legally (in Germany) if you wouldn’t help in that situation, and that it’s a definite shame for security to just stand and watch.
But I can also perfectly understand why many would find it prudent to just walk away.
Both parties are right. The reason for this paradox:
our (western) societies slowly lost a coherent concept of violence.
But really, let’s talk about this in the Combat section!
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This is an interesting aside. What makes some humans pre-dispositioned to violence? Why does combat not scare, or even attract certain people, while others cower in a corner at the mere sound of a verbal argument. I know people who will throw down over anything and everything, they just straight up love to fight. And I know people who will do everything in thier power to avoid a confrontation.
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