Z are you making an offer that Samul can’t refuse? 
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I don’t let anyone know what I’m thinking.
There seems to be a trend to put a victim of crime(in self defence) through the ringer(court) even though they are open and shut not guilty decisions for a jury. I think there should be a generous degree of slack cut for someone in a clear self defence situation, because of fear and adrenalin dump. I wouldn’t hold it against a police officer or guy on the street to empty an entire clip into a robber. All bets are off when you point a weapon, or even what appears to be a firearm at someone during a crime. No sympathy whatsoever for the perp.
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This has been quoted already but I just gotta bring it up again.
Bro. I’m so glad I only wear indigo check style dress shirts when I go out. Who knows what would happen otherwise
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Say you’ve got a very well built man (probably on a little bit of juice) with model like good looks, he enters a club full of drunk and disorderly inhabitants (both male and female) wearing nothing but a singlet, tight shorts and sneakers… Do you REALLY think he isn’t going to get groped (he is, and I’ve seen this happen too)? Compare this to had he worn casual clothing (indigo check style dress shirt, denim pants etc).
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I usually wear nothing but a singlet, and I still don’t get groped very often. WTF? Maybe I’m not a “very well built man (probably on a little bit of juice) with model like good looks.”
But seriously…what kind of club has men “wearing nothing but a singlet, tight shorts and sneakers?” …and women groping those men?
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I want to know as well. Research purposes only…
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Of course.
I’m totally speculating, but I guess gay clubs?
Not my type of research though so I don’t know…
EDIT: forget about what I said. I missed the “women” part. I thought he said other men groping them. The whole thing seemed a little off in fact. Lol this is hilarious.
Yes. The “women” part is what threw me.
Yes. I do believe that indigo check style dress shirts are known as the anti-viagra in the community populated by very well built men with model good looks wearing nothing but singlets, tight shorts and sneakers in da club.
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I remember a friend linking that onion article to me a while ago. Perfect link for all the straight people terrified that gays are going to try and make a move on them if we let them come out of the closet.
“ It screws with your head at other times, too. Every time a man passes me on the street, I’m afraid he’s going to grab me and drag me off to some bathroom to suck my cock. I’ve even started to visualize these repulsive cock-sucking episodes during the healthy, heterosexual marital relations I enjoy with my wife—even some that haven’t actually happened, like the sweaty, post-game locker-room tryst with Vancouver Canucks forward Mark Messier that I can’t seem to stop thinking about.”
That’s comedy gold.
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The whole thing is phenomenal.
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Poof doof sometimes (it’s a gay club in Aus, but straight girls and guys also frequent it because it’s super fun to go to)
Otherwise parties, festivals, public events (you get my jist). It happens… One of my closest friends is incredibly good looking, seriously he could be a model, it’s ridiculous… There has been no shortage of random women trying to hit on him (sometimes within a fashion that could easily be described as inappropriate, I recall one night at a club where some women, a distant friend tried to kiss him about six times throughout the night… He didn’t want it, kept trying to get away from it… Was making him uncomfortable). There is a distinct difference though. Most guys don’t seem to care as much if a women gives their arms a squeeze at random, fair enough.
It’s certainly not anyone’s fault for getting groped/touched inappropriately, but obviously there’s the prospect of street smarts that should come into play. You don’t get blind drunk at a club by yourself etc. That’s just stupid, there are those who will prey on you/take advantage… That’s just how it is. Does it mean it’s you’re fault? certainly not… Nor should it lessen penalties doled out to the offender. But I’d argue it makes it more likely for a bad outcome to occur, just as wearing expensive jewelry in some shantytown within South Africa would be like painting a Target on you’re chest and hoping for the best
Yup, pretty much. Though plenty of straight men/women frequent these gay clubs. Anecdotally I know someone who was beaten up/kicked out for making a homophobic remark at one of these places. Many clubs however are rather strict regarding dress code, thus you won’t get in dressed like a douchebag… Unless you’re incredibly good looking…
This can happen, though if you make it obvious you aren’t gay it shouldn’t continue. Some of the guys at these clubs are rather straight forward as the entire environment is hyper sexualized. Generally however it’s a very friendly atmosphere. Seriously innapropriate behavior should be shut down quickly
Are you very good looking? Are you within an area inhabited by a bunch of drunken idiots? I’m def making a generalisation, however dressing a certain way almost certainly makes it more likely to Garner male/female attention… Sometimes this attention may be unwanted/innapropriate.
Another very obvious statement I should make. Men getting groped/harassed isn’t very common. Unfortunately about 95% of the time those behaving inappropriately are the guys. I don’t know why it is, but men (shitty, despicable men) will sometimes prey on those who look young, are drunk or are very attractive. I’ve never understood as to how one would be able to sleep at night following this kind of behavior.
This is off topic, let’s get back to the initial topic at stake.
Fair enough, but in which instance shouldn’t a police officer
- be trained extensively to be able to react adequately within numerous differing scenarios
- have extensive firearm related training
Let’s say he did empty his entire clip into the robber (fair enough, getting a gun shoved in you’re face to begin with is scary)… wouldn’t you expect the gun to be emptied out sporadically within the front side of the perps body?
I’m not well versed regarding this. But I do believe police officers receive firearm related/combat training.
Why is it that somehow he managed to get a shot in the chest and the back of the head? I don’t know whether the officer was in the right or not, perhaps said shot was entirely unnessecary, lethal force was the intention. Or perhaps the perps was running away, the cop shouts out “you’re under arrest, I’m warning you… I’ll shoot if you don’t stop running”. After which the cop takes a shot at his shoulder, it misses, hits the kid in the back of the head.
We don’t know the specifics of the case, hence why an investigation should be opened to determine whether the officers actions were just. I dislike the notion of “well he lost any right to live once he pulled out an imitation firearm”. With this rhetoric, there was two kids who started with me (for no reason) in the middle of a car park recently (shopping centre).
Would I have been just had I taken a lug wrench, beaten both of them senseless, then kept beating them once they were down until they required immidiate medical intervention? No, it was within my rights to use whatever force required to defend myself and nothing more. In this case walking away was an option, thus it was the option I chose.
The officer here had to act quick, and thus understandably shot the kid… What I can’t grasp is how the kid managed to be shot in the back of the head… Then again I don’t know the specifics (hence an investigation being launched). The kid had an imitation firearm, reactive ability/judgement may be significantly altered when you’re life is potentially at stake.
I don’t know who is in the right, but to just let something like this slide without any follow-up investigation would, in my opinion be ridiculous.
Or, more likely, he pulled his gun, the kid saw it, he shot the kid in the chest as the kid began turning, the kid continued turning, and the second shot hit him in the back of the head. All of that happened in about a second.
Perhaps, but we don’t have probable cause to believe this to be the case
Secondly, why shoot him again if he’s already running away? The threat has been neutralized… He isn’t threatening anyone else after having been shot in the chest. In Australia this certainly wouldn’t fly if it occured within a split second. Before anyone acuses Australia of being in the wrong… Let’s not forget just how low the rate of gun related deaths are here…
Had the officer warned the perpetrator of impending action, fired a shot, all would be justified. As I’ve said, getting shot was to be expected, that’d happen anywhere. What I’m not entirely convinced of is whether the degree of force used was just… I don’t know the specifics, the logistics of the situation.
Do you need probable cause to not be charged with a crime in Australia?
I’d imagine that has and/or will happen. It does in Police shootings over here.
Why?
Go on.
If two guys jumped you, I’d say you would have a pretty good self-defense case up until you had beaten both senseless(which would be difficult against two)…and I’d say at the point of “senseless,” they would already need immediate medical attention.
Right.
Okay. Just so we’re clear: You were able to walk away, and no one pulled a gun and stuck it in your face while trying to rob you?
I agree. It’s hard for me to picture a fatal shooting not being investigated in an English-speaking country. Investigating and charging are different.
In a poll in Italy, the majority believe the cop shouldn’t be investigated.
The dead kid had stolen property on his person meaning he had already robbed someone prior to trying to rob the cop.
The cop, according to the kid’s father, shot the kid twice then fired two shots at his accomplice who fled on a scooter.
The cop maintains he did nothing wrong and was protecting himself and his fiancée.
A witness said the cop initially tried to get away but couldn’t as the kid pointed the gun at him. The cop fired only after the kid racked his gun. The kid tried to run away after being shot in the chest but fell and fired a round, a blank, from his gun. The cop then fired two more times hitting him in the back of the head.
He won’t get a funeral because of coronavirus.
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I was unaware the officer in question was being charged. Im merely referring to the fact that I believe an investigation is warranted.
As to me being able to walk away, yes… I chose to ignore the remarks/subtle threats from the kids closing in behind me (I was at an ATM) and quickly made a dash to my car.
Because human life is an under valued commodity within many societies. To take a life is very serious, you’ve got implications upon friends, family etc pertaining to the deceased, hence I feel death should only be reserved for cases wherein there is definitively no way out and/or absolutely vile specimens beyond rehabilitation (serial killers, child molesters etc)
Perhaps this child was within the realms of rehabilitation. What were the circumstances that brought him to flashing around imitation firearms to begin with. Was he a drug addict? Living conditions?
Something needs to change, societies wherein this kind of activity is highly prevalent do exist. We need to cater towards making sure these demographics are educated, employed etc rather than allowing this shit to continue… Otherwise more kids like this one continue to end up as statistics
If this is the case, then such action (including the final shot) was entirely justified in my opinion
So, your solution is to handcuff those responding to threats in order to protect the threat. Bravo.
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The kid was probably beyond rehab. He was part of a subculture that views criminality as a right.