[quote]Brett620 wrote:
Don’t these idiots understand that if that raise the rate to $15/hr these low skilled idiots will be replaced by friendly, experienced, motivated, busy-bodied employees who can flip twice the burgers they can. The folks with the gold teeth, tattoos on the neck, can’t speak proper English, look sloppy, you ass is gone.
Don’t you dumb asses know this? Of course not. [/quote]
And these gold teethed people will be working their $40 an hour job 
Eye roll
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
What if someone chooses not to work? How would that be dealt with in Utopica? [/quote]
The collective efforts of the producing members of society would shield them from having to choose to work, and would supplement their life.
Sorta like now. [/quote]
this is the part I don’t get from you so called conservatives , why do you insist those that work have a lower standard of living than those that do .
There are many that probably can not afford to get a job , they would lose health care [/quote]
You might want to edit this because it made absolutely no sense. When I brought up how little I need to live (health insurance included) you essentially scoffed at me and posted how expensive people in NYC have it. Why can’t other people maintain a “standard of living” on under 20k a year?
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I agree . you are a fucking GOD but America has a standard that no one is allowed to fall beneath . Unless you are a GOD
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
What if someone chooses not to work? How would that be dealt with in Utopica? [/quote]
The collective efforts of the producing members of society would shield them from having to choose to work, and would supplement their life.
Sorta like now. [/quote]
this is the part I don’t get from you so called conservatives , why do you insist those that work have a lower standard of living than those that do .
There are many that probably can not afford to get a job , they would lose health care [/quote]
You might want to edit this because it made absolutely no sense. When I brought up how little I need to live (health insurance included) you essentially scoffed at me and posted how expensive people in NYC have it. Why can’t other people maintain a “standard of living” on under 20k a year?
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I agree . you are a fucking GOD but America has a standard that no one is allowed to fall beneath . Unless you are a GOD
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Nice rebuttal
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
What if someone chooses not to work? How would that be dealt with in Utopica? [/quote]
The collective efforts of the producing members of society would shield them from having to choose to work, and would supplement their life.
Sorta like now. [/quote]
this is the part I don’t get from you so called conservatives , why do you insist those that work have a lower standard of living than those that do .
There are many that probably can not afford to get a job , they would lose health care [/quote]
You might want to edit this because it made absolutely no sense. When I brought up how little I need to live (health insurance included) you essentially scoffed at me and posted how expensive people in NYC have it. Why can’t other people maintain a “standard of living” on under 20k a year?
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I agree . you are a fucking GOD but America has a standard that no one is allowed to fall beneath . Unless you are a GOD
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Nice rebuttal[/quote]
Give it up. I am convinced he posts high half the time.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
OH MY F–KING GAWD the sky is falling McDonalds will have to sell their 3/4 pounder with cheeze and 5 lb freyes and a plastic milk shake for a Dollar fifty rather than a Dollar . The world will ceases to exist [/quote]
Actually it is a 1/4 pounder and the value meal is around $5-6. If you have a double in pay then your burger will have to increase by about 50%. So they will now cost $7.50-9. The poor people will no longer be able to afford the value meal. Think about the poor.
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The fact that McDonalds is cheaper than the healthier alternatives is a problem in its own right.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
What if someone chooses not to work? How would that be dealt with in Utopica? [/quote]
The collective efforts of the producing members of society would shield them from having to choose to work, and would supplement their life.
Sorta like now. [/quote]
this is the part I don’t get from you so called conservatives , why do you insist those that work have a lower standard of living than those that do .
There are many that probably can not afford to get a job , they would lose health care [/quote]
You might want to edit this because it made absolutely no sense. When I brought up how little I need to live (health insurance included) you essentially scoffed at me and posted how expensive people in NYC have it. Why can’t other people maintain a “standard of living” on under 20k a year?
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I agree . you are a fucking GOD but America has a standard that no one is allowed to fall beneath . Unless you are a GOD
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Nice rebuttal[/quote]
Give it up. I am convinced he posts high half the time. [/quote]
I am always HIGH on life
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
OH MY F–KING GAWD the sky is falling McDonalds will have to sell their 3/4 pounder with cheeze and 5 lb freyes and a plastic milk shake for a Dollar fifty rather than a Dollar . The world will ceases to exist [/quote]
Actually it is a 1/4 pounder and the value meal is around $5-6. If you have a double in pay then your burger will have to increase by about 50%. So they will now cost $7.50-9. The poor people will no longer be able to afford the value meal. Think about the poor.
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The fact that McDonalds is cheaper than the healthier alternatives is a problem in its own right.[/quote]
Guess that depends on how you look at it. I mean sure, low-grade food will be cheaper. But still, you figure you can buy a 1/2 lb burger combo for say $7, or for that same $7 buy a pound of meat, some veggies, rice, spices, and cheese, and have twice the food, while being much healthier. It pisses me off seeing “poor” people eat fast food, if they’d start by not eating out ever, well, that’s a good start anyways. Oh, and dropping the iphone contract they have would help as well.
One of my co-workers started off in fast food. Started as a dishwasher and ended up becoming a manager of Taco Bell. He worked in the service industry for 20 years. When he realized that he wanted to raise his standard of living, he learned a trade (completed a FIVE YEAR APPRENTICESHIP) and now makes around a hundred thousand a year. He began the apprenticeship at age 35. He was married with kids.
At the beginning, his wife had to work two jobs to compensate for the pay cut. They moved to a cheaper apartment, didn’t eat out and made other sacrifices as well. But only for a year or two. Let me repeat: HE NOW MAKES 100K A YEAR. Didn’t go to college. Didn’t take out any student loans. Got paid while he learned the trade. Got predictible raises every year that he was able to budget around. ANYONE can do this.
It’s not a very difficult concept. Fast food has ALWAYS been an ENTRY LEVEL job. Just because people lack the motivation to improve themselves and choose to remain at an ENTRY LEVEL job does not constitute an obligation for McDonalds to pay them more.
We live in a (relatively) free country. There is NO law that will prevent an individual from improving himself and thereby making himself more marketable and more able to command a higher wage/salery. It all comes down to how much VALUE that YOU, as an individual, can provide. If the only value that you can provide is the ability to fog a mirror and flip a burger without burning it, year after year, then that is a DECISION to remain poor. That’s not ANY company’s problem to fix. That’s not any Gubment’s problem to control. You simply CANNOT legislate AMBITION!
If someone lacks the motivation to make something of themselves it is NO ONE’S fault but the individual. We live in a country where ANYONE can be ANYTHING with a little foresight and hard work. Smarter people tend to look ahead and make better decisions. They tend to provide more value. Once they figure out that they’ve hit the ceiling in their current endeavor, they either find a way to provide MORE value (more education/training) OR… THEY MOVE ON TO SOMETHING BETTER. They leverage their experience and existing skillset and find a way to provide value AND earn more. It’s not rocket science.
Stupid and lazy people who lack motivation just complain about their lives and don’t do anything about it. They demand ridiculous pay increases with no equal value proposition. They foolishly think that if they complain loud enough that basic economics will somehow transform or that the Gubment will intervene to give them a short term victory. If they spent HALF of the engergy they spend COMPLAINING about making minimum wage and spent that energy DOING SOMETHING to improve themselves, then they would see some real magic: they would be able to do something more valuable and <<>> make more money.
But they wont. Because they are stupid and lazy. I have no sympathy for stupid and lazy. And I certainly won’t PAY MORE for stupid and lazy.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
OH MY F–KING GAWD the sky is falling McDonalds will have to sell their 3/4 pounder with cheeze and 5 lb freyes and a plastic milk shake for a Dollar fifty rather than a Dollar . The world will ceases to exist [/quote]
Actually it is a 1/4 pounder and the value meal is around $5-6. If you have a double in pay then your burger will have to increase by about 50%. So they will now cost $7.50-9. The poor people will no longer be able to afford the value meal. Think about the poor.
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The fact that McDonalds is cheaper than the healthier alternatives is a problem in its own right.[/quote]
Guess that depends on how you look at it. I mean sure, low-grade food will be cheaper. But still, you figure you can buy a 1/2 lb burger combo for say $7, or for that same $7 buy a pound of meat, some veggies, rice, spices, and cheese, and have twice the food, while being much healthier. It pisses me off seeing “poor” people eat fast food, if they’d start by not eating out ever, well, that’s a good start anyways. Oh, and dropping the iphone contract they have would help as well. [/quote]
That is not low grade food that is junk . Look at Mickey Dicks dollar menu, were are you going to get that many calories for a buck
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
I don’t see why a minimum wage even exists. If a company isn’t paying enough, don’t take the job. Am I missing something here?[/quote]
Nope. I’m pretty sure all but 2 or 3 people are right there with you.[/quote]
Minimum wage exists to avoid people getting abused by the company. Just as unions were put in place for the same reason. Now, the tables have turned and its the “protecting” items that are abusing the companies/economy.
Don’t bring farmers into this
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
I don’t see why a minimum wage even exists. If a company isn’t paying enough, don’t take the job. Am I missing something here?[/quote]
Nope. I’m pretty sure all but 2 or 3 people are right there with you.[/quote]
Minimum wage exists to avoid people getting abused by the company. Just as unions were put in place for the same reason. Now, the tables have turned and its the “protecting” items that are abusing the companies/economy.
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The tables have not turned , the tables are still stacked against employees . When employees can live on their wages by a standard that is not third world . Then you could make that claim
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
I don’t see why a minimum wage even exists. If a company isn’t paying enough, don’t take the job. Am I missing something here?[/quote]
Nope. I’m pretty sure all but 2 or 3 people are right there with you.[/quote]
Minimum wage exists to avoid people getting abused by the company. Just as unions were put in place for the same reason. Now, the tables have turned and its the “protecting” items that are abusing the companies/economy.
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The tables have not turned , the tables are still stacked against employees . When employees can live on their wages by a standard that is not third world . Then you could make that claim
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So why don’t you open up a chain of fast food restaurants that all pay their employees $15/hr or more? For that matter, why haven’t the unions done the same? Why haven’t they started businesses with their billions of dollars that all pay a “living wage” to their employees?
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
I don’t see why a minimum wage even exists. If a company isn’t paying enough, don’t take the job. Am I missing something here?[/quote]
Nope. I’m pretty sure all but 2 or 3 people are right there with you.[/quote]
Minimum wage exists to avoid people getting abused by the company. Just as unions were put in place for the same reason. Now, the tables have turned and its the “protecting” items that are abusing the companies/economy.
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The tables have not turned , the tables are still stacked against employees . When employees can live on their wages by a standard that is not third world . Then you could make that claim
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So why don’t you open up a chain of fast food restaurants that all pay their employees $15/hr or more? For that matter, why haven’t the unions done the same? Why haven’t they started businesses with their billions of dollars that all pay a “living wage” to their employees?
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I would open one and pay my workers $15 if every one had to pay that rate . That is equal footing . No one has an advantage
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
I don’t see why a minimum wage even exists. If a company isn’t paying enough, don’t take the job. Am I missing something here?[/quote]
Nope. I’m pretty sure all but 2 or 3 people are right there with you.[/quote]
Minimum wage exists to avoid people getting abused by the company. Just as unions were put in place for the same reason. Now, the tables have turned and its the “protecting” items that are abusing the companies/economy.
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The tables have not turned , the tables are still stacked against employees . When employees can live on their wages by a standard that is not third world . Then you could make that claim
[/quote]
So why don’t you open up a chain of fast food restaurants that all pay their employees $15/hr or more? For that matter, why haven’t the unions done the same? Why haven’t they started businesses with their billions of dollars that all pay a “living wage” to their employees?
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where your disparity occurs is in tax rate . Ma and paw pay a regular 15-20 % rate and Mac Dick or any other major corp probably pays Zero . Waqes are universal
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
I don’t see why a minimum wage even exists. If a company isn’t paying enough, don’t take the job. Am I missing something here?[/quote]
Nope. I’m pretty sure all but 2 or 3 people are right there with you.[/quote]
Minimum wage exists to avoid people getting abused by the company. Just as unions were put in place for the same reason. Now, the tables have turned and its the “protecting” items that are abusing the companies/economy.
[/quote]
The tables have not turned , the tables are still stacked against employees . When employees can live on their wages by a standard that is not third world . Then you could make that claim
[/quote]
So why don’t you open up a chain of fast food restaurants that all pay their employees $15/hr or more? For that matter, why haven’t the unions done the same? Why haven’t they started businesses with their billions of dollars that all pay a “living wage” to their employees?
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where your disparity occurs is in tax rate . Ma and paw pay a regular 15-20 % rate and Mac Dick or any other major corp probably pays Zero . Waqes are universal [/quote]
Incorrect. In 2012 McDonald’s incurred $2.6 billion in income tax expense on $8 billion of pre-tax income. That is a tax rate of 32%. Feel free to look it up on any financial website. Looks like ma and paw are making out like bandits in your example.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
I don’t see why a minimum wage even exists. If a company isn’t paying enough, don’t take the job. Am I missing something here?[/quote]
Nope. I’m pretty sure all but 2 or 3 people are right there with you.[/quote]
Minimum wage exists to avoid people getting abused by the company. Just as unions were put in place for the same reason. Now, the tables have turned and its the “protecting” items that are abusing the companies/economy.
[/quote]
The tables have not turned , the tables are still stacked against employees . When employees can live on their wages by a standard that is not third world . Then you could make that claim
[/quote]
So why don’t you open up a chain of fast food restaurants that all pay their employees $15/hr or more? For that matter, why haven’t the unions done the same? Why haven’t they started businesses with their billions of dollars that all pay a “living wage” to their employees?
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I would open one and pay my workers $15 if every one had to pay that rate . That is equal footing . No one has an advantage [/quote]
But I thought competition was good ? Isn’t that the whole premise behind Barry-care ?
You would be out of business in less than a year.
How much profit do you think you make when a burger can cost a dollar ?
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
I don’t see why a minimum wage even exists. If a company isn’t paying enough, don’t take the job. Am I missing something here?[/quote]
Nope. I’m pretty sure all but 2 or 3 people are right there with you.[/quote]
Minimum wage exists to avoid people getting abused by the company. Just as unions were put in place for the same reason. Now, the tables have turned and its the “protecting” items that are abusing the companies/economy.
[/quote]
The tables have not turned , the tables are still stacked against employees . When employees can live on their wages by a standard that is not third world . Then you could make that claim
[/quote]
So why don’t you open up a chain of fast food restaurants that all pay their employees $15/hr or more? For that matter, why haven’t the unions done the same? Why haven’t they started businesses with their billions of dollars that all pay a “living wage” to their employees?
[/quote]
where your disparity occurs is in tax rate . Ma and paw pay a regular 15-20 % rate and Mac Dick or any other major corp probably pays Zero . Waqes are universal [/quote]
Incorrect. In 2012 McDonald’s incurred $2.6 billion in income tax expense on $8 billion of pre-tax income. That is a tax rate of 32%. Feel free to look it up on any financial website. Looks like ma and paw are making out like bandits in your example.
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This conversation is over my head and I am guessing yours to . If you do not think our tax code is full of smoke and mirrors than you are more ( ) than I would think .
http://money.usnews.com/money/retirement/slideshows/top-10-corporate-tax-breaks/12
I like the last one it is a tax break for donating to election campaigns thsi is where Corporations legally bride our elected officials and allows them to write it off . And I am sure I will corrected if I am wrong but those write offs come off the top and make the percentage number go up (smoke and mirrors)
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
I don’t see why a minimum wage even exists. If a company isn’t paying enough, don’t take the job. Am I missing something here?[/quote]
Nope. I’m pretty sure all but 2 or 3 people are right there with you.[/quote]
Minimum wage exists to avoid people getting abused by the company. Just as unions were put in place for the same reason. Now, the tables have turned and its the “protecting” items that are abusing the companies/economy.
[/quote]
The tables have not turned , the tables are still stacked against employees . When employees can live on their wages by a standard that is not third world . Then you could make that claim
[/quote]
So why don’t you open up a chain of fast food restaurants that all pay their employees $15/hr or more? For that matter, why haven’t the unions done the same? Why haven’t they started businesses with their billions of dollars that all pay a “living wage” to their employees?
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I would open one and pay my workers $15 if every one had to pay that rate . That is equal footing . No one has an advantage [/quote]
But I thought competition was good ? Isn’t that the whole premise behind Barry-care ?
You would be out of business in less than a year.
How much profit do you think you make when a burger can cost a dollar ?
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I bet their profit is pretty high they render that meat from every where , it is rendered with very toxic chemicals , them it is sanitized with very toxic chemicals .
I don’t know if it is true or not but KFC is no longer allowed to call their main product “CHICKEN”
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is bottom up economics , like everything good it must be built from the bottom up .
And as I being a tax payer , I am sick and tired of subsidizing employees of McDonalds and Walmart. If they can not pay a living wage they should get out of business and let some one that can
Besides that McDonalds should start making real food , that I would eat . It has to be over 10 years that I have darkened their door [/quote]
If McDonalds paid 16/hr to flip a burger then more educated people would apply to the job and get hired and these fucking idiots that’s failed to graduate high school will be out of a job all together. [/quote]
Unions…you know, the guys that are responsible for this “grassroots” movement…are not the most long term of thinkers.
It’s a job for high school kids, trying to make a buck, not some 35 year old person trying to raise a family.
Most of these jokers will soon be unemployed, their jobs filled by the next generation.[/quote]
If the job is only for high school kids why does McDonald’s hire those older than that age constantly? Damn I can see being upset at people who aren’t working, but a lot of hate in here for people who are working.
Why do you care that people are trying to get a raise? You worried you won’t be able to feel so much better than those employee’s if they make anymore?
It’s just odd to me. Does it bother you when ANYONE tries to get a raise or just fast food workers? What dollar amount would make you the least upset? If they got 50 cents? Or would you still have your jimmies rustled?
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What irritates me is that they think they are entitled to a raise.
If you want more money, go and get a job that pays you more…unions are demanding a DOUBLING of a salary for a group that has ZERO leverage.
This is not Russia, you can go get another job that pays you more money if you wish…those people should do it.
/worked in a restaurant during college[/quote]
And learned nothing at either. This is not Russia… Jeez that makes sense. Here in America you can just go get a better higher paying job at will. Sure. I have title to a bridge I can let you have cheap. Then you can sell it to another sucker, I mean buyer, for more. It’s easy.