[quote]NickViar wrote:
What if someone chooses not to work? How would that be dealt with in Utopica? [/quote]
The collective efforts of the producing members of society would shield them from having to choose to work, and would supplement their life.
Sorta like now.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I cut my grass once a week. I consider that work. Gimmie me the $15 bucks I deserve ($45 actually) ya dicks. [/quote]
Don’t stop there…go for $30.
You are entitled to be able to raise your family.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I cut my grass once a week. I consider that work. Gimmie me the $15 bucks I deserve ($45 actually) ya dicks. [/quote]
Don’t stop there…go for $30.
You are entitled to be able to raise your family.[/quote]
I should probably get $15 and hour to raise my family. That’s only about $130K a year, wtf??
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Complains about comparing cost of living between CA & TX because of population… Then goes on to compare homeless seen in European tourist areas to that of single city in US, as if that makes any point but the CA & TX comparison can’t.
Sounds about right.
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I took Subways Trains and Buses every where never once used a taxi , that is pretty street level
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He was referring to the fact that you choose to not compare certain places and they you turn around and compare europe to the U.S.[/quote]
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Oh Man, I just wanna smash my head against a brick wall![/quote]
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Complains about comparing cost of living between CA & TX because of population… Then goes on to compare homeless seen in European tourist areas to that of single city in US, as if that makes any point but the CA & TX comparison can’t.
Sounds about right.
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I took Subways Trains and Buses every where never once used a taxi , that is pretty street level
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He was referring to the fact that you choose to not compare certain places and they you turn around and compare europe to the U.S.[/quote]
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Oh Man, I just wanna smash my head against a brick wall![/quote]
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I figured that was it.
Stop it guys you are making too much sense.
Where is Zep is he still licking his wounds from the Austrailia $16 bucks an hour thread?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The collective efforts of the producing members of society would shield them from having to choose to work, and would supplement their life.
Sorta like now. [/quote]
Well, everyone works. When your body circulates blood, it is doing work. When you breathe, your body is doing work. It seems strange to me that some get paid for these tasks while others do not. I think everyone needs to be paid a living wage for the work his or her body does.
Enslavement by leaders/owners is the logical conclusion of the statist philosophy.(Oh, but we have a right to vote, you say. That doesn’t matter. Then you are just enslaved by the most popular owner.)
If you don’t acknowledge an absolute ownership of person and property, then your beliefs can only lead to that.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The collective efforts of the producing members of society would shield them from having to choose to work, and would supplement their life.
Sorta like now. [/quote]
Well, everyone works. When your body circulates blood, it is doing work. When you breathe, your body is doing work. It seems strange to me that some get paid for these tasks while others do not. I think everyone needs to be paid a living wage for the work his or her body does.[/quote]
Where is my money? I was using every part of my body when I was having sex with my wife last night. Would that make me a prostitute? Never mind.
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have been to Europe and judging fro what I saw , Germany , Belgium, Holland ,France and England . I saw what I perceived to be a lot less poverty. I did not see one homeless person . I bet I see a hundred a day here in PHX[/quote]
Just because you did not see them does not mean they don’t exist.
“However, Europe’s local governments must deal with the immediate consequences of this path of austerity. Levels of poverty and social exclusion have been growing: in 2013, almost 120 million Europeans, including 25 million children, live in poverty or are at risk of poverty.”
dive down Van Buren in Phx and you could not hide them if you tried and they have tried on more than one instance
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Drive down Quivera in Overland Park and you couldn’t find one for 30 miles. KS has no poverty!
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Hahaha. Oh boy, that will mean nothing to him… Just where exactly do you practice anyway? I happen to know that area extremely well. Parents in KC.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Where is my money? I was using every part of my body when I was having sex with my wife last night. Would that make me a prostitute? Never mind.[/quote]
That’s what I’m wondering.
You would not be a prostitute because you would not be paid for the act of sex, just for the work done.
Work is: the product of the component of the force in the direction of motion times the distance through which the force acts.( 7.1 Work: The Scientific Definition - College Physics | OpenStax )
I guess your pay for the work performed during sex would depend on the distance of each thrust and total number of thrusts.
You would probably have to be considered a relatively high wage earner for that act. Someone who is in a total vegetative state and has to be assisted in breathing would probably deserve the absolute minimum living wage. His or her body is only circulating its blood. What’s a living wage for someone in a vegetative state though? It would have to be high to pay for all the technology used to keep the person alive and working.
This could certainly get expensive! After all, if a person who’s only circulating his or her own blood gets paid X, which is what a person working at McDonald’s currently gets, then how much more does the McDonald’s worker really deserve? I mean, he’s doing the same work as the vegetable, plus breathing, walking, lifting, carrying, running, cleaning, etc.
At least this way of thinking will allow the real workers to make what they deserve while limiting the amount made by entrepreneurs and what not. There’s really no way to account for the “work”(HAHA-as if!) done by those who create machines to increase work capacity(I guess they’ll still have to be paid for breathing, circulating blood, moving their pens on paper to draw up and calculate ideas, etc., but at least they won’t be making as much as a guy who loads a barbell on his back and walks up and down the street all day). Those folks will be pretty useless in Utopica.
I don’t see why a minimum wage even exists. If a company isn’t paying enough, don’t take the job. Am I missing something here?
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have been to Europe and judging fro what I saw , Germany , Belgium, Holland ,France and England . I saw what I perceived to be a lot less poverty. I did not see one homeless person . I bet I see a hundred a day here in PHX[/quote]
Just because you did not see them does not mean they don’t exist.
“However, Europe’s local governments must deal with the immediate consequences of this path of austerity. Levels of poverty and social exclusion have been growing: in 2013, almost 120 million Europeans, including 25 million children, live in poverty or are at risk of poverty.”
dive down Van Buren in Phx and you could not hide them if you tried and they have tried on more than one instance
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Drive down Quivera in Overland Park and you couldn’t find one for 30 miles. KS has no poverty!
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Hahaha. Oh boy, that will mean nothing to him… Just where exactly do you practice anyway? I happen to know that area extremely well. Parents in KC.[/quote]
We’re in Overland Park off 103rd street right now. I just graduated two weeks ago and am starting practice in Corpus Christi, TX. I hate to leave, but I’ve been here my whole life and it’s time to move on.
[quote]on edge wrote:
I don’t see why a minimum wage even exists. If a company isn’t paying enough, don’t take the job. Am I missing something here?[/quote]
Nope. I’m pretty sure all but 2 or 3 people are right there with you.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Complains about comparing cost of living between CA & TX because of population… Then goes on to compare homeless seen in European tourist areas to that of single city in US, as if that makes any point but the CA & TX comparison can’t.
Sounds about right.
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I took Subways Trains and Buses every where never once used a taxi , that is pretty street level
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He was referring to the fact that you choose to not compare certain places and they you turn around and compare europe to the U.S.[/quote]
I was comparing a very limited point , that there was Zero homeless and in every large city in America , that I have been there are many homeless. I am not comparing cost of living , wages or anything that could confuse any one but you 
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I cut my grass once a week. I consider that work. Gimmie me the $15 bucks I deserve ($45 actually) ya dicks. [/quote]
A penny saved is truly $.0130 earned
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
What if someone chooses not to work? How would that be dealt with in Utopica? [/quote]
The collective efforts of the producing members of society would shield them from having to choose to work, and would supplement their life.
Sorta like now. [/quote]
this is the part I don’t get from you so called conservatives , why do you insist those that work have a lower standard of living than those that do .
There are many that probably can not afford to get a job , they would lose health care
[quote]on edge wrote:
I don’t see why a minimum wage even exists. If a company isn’t paying enough, don’t take the job. Am I missing something here?[/quote]
and collect welfare
Don’t these idiots understand that if that raise the rate to $15/hr these low skilled idiots will be replaced by friendly, experienced, motivated, busy-bodied employees who can flip twice the burgers they can. The folks with the gold teeth, tattoos on the neck, can’t speak proper English, look sloppy, you ass is gone.
Don’t you dumb asses know this? Of course not.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
What if someone chooses not to work? How would that be dealt with in Utopica? [/quote]
The collective efforts of the producing members of society would shield them from having to choose to work, and would supplement their life.
Sorta like now. [/quote]
this is the part I don’t get from you so called conservatives , why do you insist those that work have a lower standard of living than those that do .
There are many that probably can not afford to get a job , they would lose health care [/quote]
You might want to edit this because it made absolutely no sense. When I brought up how little I need to live (health insurance included) you essentially scoffed at me and posted how expensive people in NYC have it. Why can’t other people maintain a “standard of living” on under 20k a year?