[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
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The entire sport is a fucking joke because of people like you. And the internet. And people who don’t use gear.[/quote]
Not to derail (althought that might be too late), but could you or someone else elaborate on the last point? [/quote]
I think he was just making a joke.
[quote]ViKtoricus wrote:
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
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The entire sport is a fucking joke because of people like you. And the internet. And people who don’t use gear.[/quote]
Not to derail (althought that might be too late), but could you or someone else elaborate on the last point? [/quote]
Don’t bother.
I understand where geared (multi ply) powerlifters are coming from. I would be wise enough to know that if I wanted to train as a geared powerlifter, I am better off asking TECHNIQUE questions to the experienced, geared powerlifters themselves (they suck donkey balls when it comes to making training programs. I don’t know why, but my assumption is that they are pussies who were brainwashed by Louie Simmons).
We are dealing with a douchebag who had his IQ sucked away after putting more weight that his neck can handle when he squats geared. Bloodflow to the brain gets decreased because of that. So let me explain things on HIS behalf. He is personally mocking me. He is mocking me because unlike alot of powerlifters nowadays, I have never used multi-ply gear. He is under the assumption that training for a GEARED powerlifter is different from a raw lifter which is TRUE. But that does not mean it’s COMPLETELY, 100% different! I mean seriously. Let’s hypothesize what a typical, raw powerlifting routine will be ON A REAL TRAINING PROGRAM:
Smolov Cycle:
Raw Squat. No assistance exercises for squat.
:
Raw Squat, Raw Bench Press, Raw Deadlift. Assistance work for whatever. OR NOT, depending on alot of things.
Now check out this training program for a GEARED powerlifter:
:
Geared lifts and assistance work. The End.
But the thing is, people get brainwashed into thinking that 10X6.21 or 5X4.9986789 is a better set and rep scheme for geared lifting than 3x4.5 or 5X1.1111
Wanna know who brainwashes them? Louie Simmons, Dave Tate, Jim Wendler, and a shitload of powerlifters with a 405-pound ATG squat but has a 715 -pound GEARED, SUPER-WIDE STANCE SQUAT WITH THE BAR RESTING ON THEIR SHOULDER BLADES.
Please stop reading anything from the powerlifting section of this website and just switch to Olympic Weightlifting. Those guys can actually give you training programs that work without having to purchase bands and chains or whatever from elitefts.com.[/quote]
Holy fucking shit…this is literally the dumbest, most illogical, nonsensical, retarded piece of vitriol I have ever read in the powerlifting forum on this sight. You have reached a level of stupidity I have never witnessed here.
Up until this post, there was nothing concrete that completely nullified any legitimacy in regards to what you are saying, but the fact that you sited Jim Wendler in the context of this post shows that you literally know nothing whatsoever about the people who have/do use gear. It is extremely apparent that YOU have been brainwashed to spout off arguments that follow the formula of:
1.) say raw is best
2.) say gear is the devil
3.) say louie simmons or anyone involved with efs is an insane weakling man-child
4.) …
5.) profit!!!
Of course you will scoff at whatever anybody says against your posts, but luckily the other people involved in this thread ACTUALLY know stuff about geared lifters, raw lifters, oly lifters, bodybuilders, etc.
Stupidity is its own form of punishment…keep reaping the benefits sir.
P.S… Wendler RAAAAWWWWWW in a metal singlet:
He is 20 years old in this video and not even a powerlifter.
Are you seriously bragging about Jim Wendler? Are you freaking serious dude?
Also, there’s a senior lifter in Glenn Pendlay’s gym who squats 660 RAW with shoulder width stance BELOW PARALLEL.
[quote]ViKtoricus wrote:
Are you seriously bragging about Jim Wendler? Are you freaking serious dude?
Also, there’s a senior lifter in Glenn Pendlay’s gym who squats 660 RAW with shoulder width stance BELOW PARALLEL.[/quote]
You have a 200 pound front squat, a 455 deadlift pr thats two years old, and a 385 squat pr thats two years old. You are a weak pathetic bitch teenager that talks a hell of a lot about something that he knows nothing about.
The top oly lifters, strongmen, raw powerlifters, single ply powerlifters, and multiply lifters do not talk shit on each other…but for some reason a little boy who can’t front squat two plates feels the need to talk shit…are you sad little boy? Does everybody bully you? Poor wittle guy 
OMGZ multiply powerlifter Travis Mash…he’s not even an olympic lifter guyz!!! Did you guyz hear that, he’s not even an olympic lifter!!! Seriously, he’s not!!! Guyz!!! He’s not! But look! He can do olympic liftz!!! OMGZ!!!
[quote]Ty Carlson wrote:
[quote]ViKtoricus wrote:
Are you seriously bragging about Jim Wendler? Are you freaking serious dude?
Also, there’s a senior lifter in Glenn Pendlay’s gym who squats 660 RAW with shoulder width stance BELOW PARALLEL.[/quote]
You have a 200 pound front squat, a 455 deadlift pr thats two years old, and a 385 squat pr thats two years old. You are a weak pathetic bitch teenager that talks a hell of a lot about something that he knows nothing about.
The top oly lifters, strongmen, raw powerlifters, single ply powerlifters, and multiply lifters do not talk shit on each other…but for some reason a little boy who can’t front squat two plates feels the need to talk shit…are you sad little boy? Does everybody bully you? Poor wittle guy :([/quote]
lol. My front squat used to be 315 and people LOVE me for it.
And you’re just one of the many idiots who resorts to name-calling because you can’t argue anything. You’ve lost. I won.
[quote]ViKtoricus wrote:
[quote]Ty Carlson wrote:
[quote]ViKtoricus wrote:
Are you seriously bragging about Jim Wendler? Are you freaking serious dude?
Also, there’s a senior lifter in Glenn Pendlay’s gym who squats 660 RAW with shoulder width stance BELOW PARALLEL.[/quote]
You have a 200 pound front squat, a 455 deadlift pr thats two years old, and a 385 squat pr thats two years old. You are a weak pathetic bitch teenager that talks a hell of a lot about something that he knows nothing about.
The top oly lifters, strongmen, raw powerlifters, single ply powerlifters, and multiply lifters do not talk shit on each other…but for some reason a little boy who can’t front squat two plates feels the need to talk shit…are you sad little boy? Does everybody bully you? Poor wittle guy :([/quote]
lol. My front squat used to be 315 and people LOVE me for it.
And you’re just one of the many idiots who resorts to name-calling because you can’t argue anything. You’ve lost. I won.[/quote]
Correct. You definitely have one sir. Enjoy being the proud winner of the dumbest powerlifting forum troll of 2011 award…you’ve earned it!
Powerlifting is not popular because the average sports gsm finds it boring . It has nothing to do with gear . They find all weight sports boring . High school girls basketball draws more people where I live than national meets in powerlifting , Olympic lifting and strongman.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Powerlifting is not popular because the average sports gsm finds it boring . It has nothing to do with gear . They find all weight sports boring . High school girls basketball draws more people where I live than national meets in powerlifting , Olympic lifting and strongman.[/quote]
Agreed. Especially after some of the non sense that has been posted on here, I have decided to use my strength for something else… crossfit. Nice talking to all of you, have a nice life.
[quote]ViKtoricus wrote:
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
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The entire sport is a fucking joke because of people like you. And the internet. And people who don’t use gear.[/quote]
Not to derail (althought that might be too late), but could you or someone else elaborate on the last point? [/quote]
Don’t bother.
I understand where geared (multi ply) powerlifters are coming from. I would be wise enough to know that if I wanted to train as a geared powerlifter, I am better off asking TECHNIQUE questions to the experienced, geared powerlifters themselves (they suck donkey balls when it comes to making training programs. I don’t know why, but my assumption is that they are pussies who were brainwashed by Louie Simmons).
We are dealing with a douchebag who had his IQ sucked away after putting more weight that his neck can handle when he squats geared. Bloodflow to the brain gets decreased because of that. So let me explain things on HIS behalf. He is personally mocking me. He is mocking me because unlike alot of powerlifters nowadays, I have never used multi-ply gear. He is under the assumption that training for a GEARED powerlifter is different from a raw lifter which is TRUE. But that does not mean it’s COMPLETELY, 100% different! I mean seriously. Let’s hypothesize what a typical, raw powerlifting routine will be ON A REAL TRAINING PROGRAM:
Smolov Cycle:
Raw Squat. No assistance exercises for squat.
:
Raw Squat, Raw Bench Press, Raw Deadlift. Assistance work for whatever. OR NOT, depending on alot of things.
Now check out this training program for a GEARED powerlifter:
:
Geared lifts and assistance work. The End.
But the thing is, people get brainwashed into thinking that 10X6.21 or 5X4.9986789 is a better set and rep scheme for geared lifting than 3x4.5 or 5X1.1111
Wanna know who brainwashes them? Louie Simmons, Dave Tate, Jim Wendler, and a shitload of powerlifters with a 405-pound ATG squat but has a 715 -pound GEARED, SUPER-WIDE STANCE SQUAT WITH THE BAR RESTING ON THEIR SHOULDER BLADES.
Please stop reading anything from the powerlifting section of this website and just switch to Olympic Weightlifting. Those guys can actually give you training programs that work without having to purchase bands and chains or whatever from elitefts.com.[/quote]
Well, I’ve actually never done a multi-ply meet. Being a strong person that actually values strength, I would love to do a couple of multi-ply meets just to see what it is all about. The gear is fucking ridiculous. 1000+ squats with 500lb deadlifts is depressing. That being said, not everyone that puts on a canvas suit can squat 1260.
So there has to be some aspect of strength involved outside of technique in the suit. Regardless of what you are saying, technique is an important aspect of raw lifting too. Maybe if you worked on your own technique, your numbers would be a little higher. Instead of just focusing on being as hardcore as you obviously are, you should put some energy into actually getting stronger. If you have any questions on how to do that, I could definitely answer them for you.
By the way, Donnie Thompson has an 870lb raw squat, that he walked out, in 2006.
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
[quote]ViKtoricus wrote:
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
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The entire sport is a fucking joke because of people like you. And the internet. And people who don’t use gear.[/quote]
Not to derail (althought that might be too late), but could you or someone else elaborate on the last point? [/quote]
Don’t bother.
I understand where geared (multi ply) powerlifters are coming from. I would be wise enough to know that if I wanted to train as a geared powerlifter, I am better off asking TECHNIQUE questions to the experienced, geared powerlifters themselves (they suck donkey balls when it comes to making training programs. I don’t know why, but my assumption is that they are pussies who were brainwashed by Louie Simmons).
We are dealing with a douchebag who had his IQ sucked away after putting more weight that his neck can handle when he squats geared. Bloodflow to the brain gets decreased because of that. So let me explain things on HIS behalf. He is personally mocking me. He is mocking me because unlike alot of powerlifters nowadays, I have never used multi-ply gear. He is under the assumption that training for a GEARED powerlifter is different from a raw lifter which is TRUE. But that does not mean it’s COMPLETELY, 100% different! I mean seriously. Let’s hypothesize what a typical, raw powerlifting routine will be ON A REAL TRAINING PROGRAM:
Smolov Cycle:
Raw Squat. No assistance exercises for squat.
:
Raw Squat, Raw Bench Press, Raw Deadlift. Assistance work for whatever. OR NOT, depending on alot of things.
Now check out this training program for a GEARED powerlifter:
:
Geared lifts and assistance work. The End.
But the thing is, people get brainwashed into thinking that 10X6.21 or 5X4.9986789 is a better set and rep scheme for geared lifting than 3x4.5 or 5X1.1111
Wanna know who brainwashes them? Louie Simmons, Dave Tate, Jim Wendler, and a shitload of powerlifters with a 405-pound ATG squat but has a 715 -pound GEARED, SUPER-WIDE STANCE SQUAT WITH THE BAR RESTING ON THEIR SHOULDER BLADES.
Please stop reading anything from the powerlifting section of this website and just switch to Olympic Weightlifting. Those guys can actually give you training programs that work without having to purchase bands and chains or whatever from elitefts.com.[/quote]
Well, I’ve actually never done a multi-ply meet. Being a strong person that actually values strength, I would love to do a couple of multi-ply meets just to see what it is all about. The gear is fucking ridiculous. 1000+ squats with 500lb deadlifts is depressing. That being said, not everyone that puts on a canvas suit can squat 1260. So there has to be some aspect of strength involved outside of technique in the suit. Regardless of what you are saying, technique is an important aspect of raw lifting too. Maybe if you worked on your own technique, your numbers would be a little higher. Instead of just focusing on being as hardcore as you obviously are, you should put some energy into actually getting stronger. If you have any questions on how to do that, I could definitely answer them for you.
By the way, Donnie Thompson has an 870lb raw squat, that he walked out, in 2006.[/quote]
Yep. Don Reinhoudt did about 935 in the early to mid 70s. I’m pretty sure it was raw with maybe ace bandages. Thompson wasn’t to far from that.
Strength hasn’t changed much since the 70s. raw numbers aren’t really much higher. But so what? The gear adds interest and makes a different dimension to the sport. It’s not better or worse, just different. Kind of like car racing and the different restrictions or limits.
Try having a sport where records really don’t change much and see how much general interest there is. Compare viewership to Dancing with the Stars and the Olympic weightlifting championships. Or that goofy obstacle course.
We might love it, but the average viewer and sports fan doesn’t. There is no if we change this or that and do it this way that will increase viewership to any appreciable level.
We do this because we love doing it. And what way you love doing it is not my concern.
[quote]ViKtoricus wrote:
REAL powerlifters:
Ed Coan, Shane Hamman (who is actually an Olympic Weightlifter first and Powerlifter second), Kirk Karwoski, anyone who competes in the IPF, anyone who doesn’t intentionally get fat just to gain leverage, anyone who is not a “closet bodybuilder” like Dave Tate and Matt Kroczaleski (I don’t know if I spelled that right and I don’t give a flying fuck if I did or didn’t), Mikhail Koklyaev (who again, is not even mainly a powerlifter.), Bill Kazmaier (WHO IS NOT EVEN A POWERLIFTER), Frederick Hatfield, Lee Moran, Dave Waddington, Scott Mendelson (who, as much as he doesn’t squat or deadlift, at least have proven himself to have REAL bench pressing strength), Andy Bolton, Benedikt Magnusson, Andrey Malanichev, Konstantin Konstantinovs, Mark Henry (…who is also not even a powerlifter…), … and basically anyone who dedicates his entire training in the pursuit of cheating.
This guy deserves more glory than Donnie “The Fat Douche” Thompson.
I would most enjoy seeing you say that to any of those people on the list. Preferably Konstantinovs as I believe he is having difficulty trying to gain weight. You are weak and clearly don’t have enough time under a bar to have learned respect for hard work and achievement (which generally go hand in hand). If you were questioning the validity of the achievement and/or the judging then do that (ie squat depth), but your broad sweeping statements about the elite in powerlifting are ridiculous.
People like you ruin strength sports. When you become more concerned with “Am I, myself stronger/better now than my last meet” than with quantifying who is an impressive lifter in your childish opinion you’ll hopefully be embarrassed by these posts and actually get stronger.
vik…
[quote]ViKtoricus wrote:
He is 20 years old in this video and not even a powerlifter.[/quote]
OUCH! Nice brute strength but that first rep…waiting for that guy to rip a bicep doing that shit that he did.
…more.
Without fail, whenever a video is posted it always degenerates into how shitty the lift was and becomes an issue of gear or federations…I think the last one we had was Chuck Vogelpohls squat in an SPF meet.
In these situations you’ve got folks that will side with Donnie or Chuck or whoever the lifter happens to be in the video and you’ll have others who talk about how shitty the lift was, how it wasn’t to depth, how the gear made the lift or whatever.
At the end of the fucking day, I don’t give a shit either way. Donnie Thompson doesn’t pay my bills, I’ve never met the man, I don’t care if his squat was high or to depth. Him making of missing the lift doesn’t affect me or my life for the better or worse.
I don’t understand why some people get so worked up about this shit. If you want to lift raw, lift raw. If you want to run an olympic training program, do that! If you want to wear triple-ply gear and compete in the APF and replace all of the blood in your body with tren…do that! WHATEVER MAKES YOU HAPPY.
The thing here is that powerlifting doesn’t pay bills. You’ll “WASTE” so much time and money powerlifting even if you’re not running equipment…you’ll have gym fees, traveling expenses, meet fees…and at the end of the day you’ll be lucky if you bring home a trophy for all of the time and effort you spent training and preparing. But again, nobody is taking food out of your mouth, nobody is forcing anyone to lift in federations where the lifter doesn’t agree to the rules, nobody takes anyone at gunpoint and makes them lift equipped.
QUICK STORY–
When I was just getting into the sport, there was a world champion powerlifter at my gym…he was a super heavy, guy was about 6’5…all tatted up, rode a harley…he was a loud scary individual. I mustered some courage and went and talked to him…And he said something about everyone being at the gym for the same reason…self improvement, and we should all help each other out wherever we can.
I’ve said time and time again what I love about this sport is how we can come together and cheer for each other at competitions, help each other out. I’ve had top level lifters take time out of their schedules to help me out personally…It’s what makes the sport great.
Here on the internet we just talk shit about each other and blast folks because they lift equipped or they run a Westside Barbell program?
Come on…this is really fucking retarded to say the least.
excellent points and very well stated ! I do this stuff because I like it . It has given me a lot in different ways . I try to help others with it .
Gear, raw , steroids etc. Is all a matter if personal choice to me. Just follow the rules of your federation .
[quote]unstable wrote:
Without fail, whenever a video is posted it always degenerates into how shitty the lift was and becomes an issue of gear or federations…I think the last one we had was Chuck Vogelpohls squat in an SPF meet.
In these situations you’ve got folks that will side with Donnie or Chuck or whoever the lifter happens to be in the video and you’ll have others who talk about how shitty the lift was, how it wasn’t to depth, how the gear made the lift or whatever.
At the end of the fucking day, I don’t give a shit either way. Donnie Thompson doesn’t pay my bills, I’ve never met the man, I don’t care if his squat was high or to depth. Him making of missing the lift doesn’t affect me or my life for the better or worse.
I don’t understand why some people get so worked up about this shit. If you want to lift raw, lift raw. If you want to run an olympic training program, do that! If you want to wear triple-ply gear and compete in the APF and replace all of the blood in your body with tren…do that! WHATEVER MAKES YOU HAPPY.
The thing here is that powerlifting doesn’t pay bills. You’ll “WASTE” so much time and money powerlifting even if you’re not running equipment…you’ll have gym fees, traveling expenses, meet fees…and at the end of the day you’ll be lucky if you bring home a trophy for all of the time and effort you spent training and preparing. But again, nobody is taking food out of your mouth, nobody is forcing anyone to lift in federations where the lifter doesn’t agree to the rules, nobody takes anyone at gunpoint and makes them lift equipped.
QUICK STORY–
When I was just getting into the sport, there was a world champion powerlifter at my gym…he was a super heavy, guy was about 6’5…all tatted up, rode a harley…he was a loud scary individual. I mustered some courage and went and talked to him…And he said something about everyone being at the gym for the same reason…self improvement, and we should all help each other out wherever we can.
I’ve said time and time again what I love about this sport is how we can come together and cheer for each other at competitions, help each other out. I’ve had top level lifters take time out of their schedules to help me out personally…It’s what makes the sport great.
Here on the internet we just talk shit about each other and blast folks because they lift equipped or they run a Westside Barbell program?
Come on…this is really fucking retarded to say the least.
[/quote]
I have yet to meet a powerlifter who was a dick to me in real life. I only seem to find it online. And powerlifting is certainly not the only sport which gear has changed:
*swimming- suits have gotten more ‘water-dynamic’, yes, I made that word up. Also, comp pools are being built which help add speed.
*Sometimes in baseball, the rules change slightly to encourage either more hitting or tighter pitching. In college ball, you have the fancy aluminum bats which change some of the game
*I don’t know for a face, but I’m sure tennis rackets have gotten a lot better
*football- they use to just wear a leather helmet. Since the newer helmets, it completely changed how people tackle each other and how the game is played.
*hockey- I don’t follow hockey, but there’s a lot of equipment that can be improved and I bet some of it has been bettered.
That’s just off the top of my head.
The thing people don?t seem to understand about power lifting is that it is a sport, it is not something you do at the gym.
Sports use equipment.
It makes as much sense to complain that a batter in baseball improves his ability to hit a ball by using a bat as to complain about a squat suit in a geared powerlifting competition. It is the rules of the game.
In baseball the goal is to hit the ball the best you can with a bat. Whether or not that is the same as something you do in the gym doesn?t matter.
The goal of powerlifting is to lift as much as you can in whatever gear they allow. An exercise you do in the gym has no bearing on that either.
To all the idiots always complaining about gear, please go to a baseball forum and tell everyone they should use their hands to bat with, because that?s how dumb you are.
[quote]ViKtoricus wrote:
Don’t bother.
I understand where geared (multi ply) powerlifters are coming from. I would be wise enough to know that if I wanted to train as a geared powerlifter, I am better off asking TECHNIQUE questions to the experienced, geared powerlifters themselves (they suck donkey balls when it comes to making training programs. I don’t know why, but my assumption is that they are pussies who were brainwashed by Louie Simmons).
We are dealing with a douchebag who had his IQ sucked away after putting more weight that his neck can handle when he squats geared. Bloodflow to the brain gets decreased because of that. So let me explain things on HIS behalf. He is personally mocking me. He is mocking me because unlike alot of powerlifters nowadays, I have never used multi-ply gear. He is under the assumption that training for a GEARED powerlifter is different from a raw lifter which is TRUE. But that does not mean it’s COMPLETELY, 100% different! I mean seriously. Let’s hypothesize what a typical, raw powerlifting routine will be ON A REAL TRAINING PROGRAM:
Smolov Cycle:
Raw Squat. No assistance exercises for squat.
:
Raw Squat, Raw Bench Press, Raw Deadlift. Assistance work for whatever. OR NOT, depending on alot of things.
Now check out this training program for a GEARED powerlifter:
:
Geared lifts and assistance work. The End.
But the thing is, people get brainwashed into thinking that 10X6.21 or 5X4.9986789 is a better set and rep scheme for geared lifting than 3x4.5 or 5X1.1111
Wanna know who brainwashes them? Louie Simmons, Dave Tate, Jim Wendler, and a shitload of powerlifters with a 405-pound ATG squat but has a 715 -pound GEARED, SUPER-WIDE STANCE SQUAT WITH THE BAR RESTING ON THEIR SHOULDER BLADES.
Please stop reading anything from the powerlifting section of this website and just switch to Olympic Weightlifting. Those guys can actually give you training programs that work without having to purchase bands and chains or whatever from elitefts.com.[/quote]
