[quote]FightingScott wrote:
dylan10507 wrote:
Newb isn;t the guy in the bulk newb posted a different guy but he has picks in his profile. But I am impresses by max strength and realative strength. I think of it as the more realative strength you have the less max you need to be imopressive and vis versa but you have to be at least average in both inless you are like under 5feet tall. But I am saying I respect these guys because of there attitude so my and your attitude is I will win states and I don’t give a shit if people think I am unatractive from the changes I make to my physique to achieve my goal and newbs attitude is the same only his goal might be to squat 1000 pounds.
There are very few sports where max strength is more important than relative strength. That’s: Throwing, any sport where there is a 275 and up weight class, Sumo, and maybe a few more. Relative strength is king. A 500 pound squat for someone under 200 is far more impressive than a 500 pound squat for someone pushing 300. [/quote]
Huh?
Most endeavors give a rats ass about “relative” anything.
You think an NFL team would start a 215 pound defensive end because he is relatively stronger than a 230 pounder??? or would they go with the strongest fastest, best at whatever size?
Is David Eckstein RELATIVELY a better baseball player than Barry Bonds? How many MVPs are in his trophy case?
We applaud relative strength because that’s all you can really ask of a man…but in most cases relative strenght means little.
If a 160 pounder gets beat up by a 200 pounder buts does okay for a few mintues…we can applaud his effort, but in the end, he has received an ass whooping…
You’re totally missing the point of what training for “relative strength” is really about.
But I’ll entertain your 160 pound VS 200 pound idea. I’ve hope you’ve noticed by now with weight training that every pound of muscle you gain was harder to gain than the last. In order to gain that extra pound of pure muscle you had to make your lifts go up by a greater percent than you did when you gained that last pound of muscle. Unless you’re on a LOT of drugs, this is pretty much how muscle gain works.
With this idea in mind, it’s safe to say that the more muscle a person has, the more relative strength they should have. Sure, a muscular person has more mass to move than a skinny one, but that extra mass is essentially engine mass. A more muscular person should be faster and have greater mobility than a thinner equivalent. The only reasons people who have high absolute strength don’t have high relative strength are
They’re Fat
They haven’t trained their CNS to make their muscles display their strength (Jay Cutler, Dexter Jackson, and Victor Martinez come to mind)
Bad Genetics
So don’t get your panties in a twist because you think I’m saying only lightweights are capable of high relative strength and that they must be the best athletes. I’m saying huge, lean athletes are obviously the best athletes because they have high relative strength.
If an NFL team had a 215 pound athlete they were looking at, then they’re probably looking at someone who runs the ball. And besides, there’s no fucking way a 230 pound person could be faster than a 215 pound person without being relatively stronger than their 215 pound competitor if both athletes have the same quality running form.
Relative strength is king because relative strength dictates how fast you are, how mobile you are, how agile you are, how much endurance you’ll have, and how you’ll perform in endeavors with weight classes (which is really fucking important for powerlifting and FIGHTING).
Your statement about a 160 vs 200 pound man is awful because we have no idea what the capabilities of each fighter are outside of their weight. In high school I wrestled a 190 pound fatass at 150 pounds and won. I didn’t even do wrestling as a sport but he did. We wrestled because he said if someone was 40 pounds heavier than another wrestler, there was no way they could beat them. Fat does not help you win matches, win races, or move weights. It’s dead weight.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Every night, Glenn Ross cries himself to sleep over his relative strength.[/quote]
See. It’s shit like this. Mariusz Pudzianowski is once again the world’s strongest man. Not Glenn Ross. Glenn Ross can deadlift more than Pudzianowski but since Glenn is incredibly fat, he loses to a person with less absolute strength.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
T3hPwnisher wrote:
Every night, Glenn Ross cries himself to sleep over his relative strength.
See. It’s shit like this. Mariusz Pudzianowski is once again the world’s strongest man. Not Glenn Ross. Glenn Ross can deadlift more than Pudzianowski but since Glenn is incredibly fat, he loses to a person with less absolute strength. [/quote]
And again, I said he cries himself to sleep over it every night.
This guy got pretty heavy, which may not be a bad thing if he could the retain muscle, or do the right thing, but when I see he didn’t lift afterwards, as others stated, and just made a huge jump in his calories downwards, he’s asking for trouble.
I hope he learned from his mistakes and knows what to do right next time. Hardly anybody gets it right the first time. If they do, they either stumbled upon it by luck or put in the effort to do research and learn their shit.
I’m not going to argue how much muscle he did or didn’t put on in the year. Unless he did a bodpod or DEXA, he’s not getting numbers too accurate. (Calipers are okay, but cannot get visceral fat gained). The only thing I can say is, if you put on fat, you’re putting on muscle indirectly (just not optimally).
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
FightingScott wrote:
T3hPwnisher wrote:
Every night, Glenn Ross cries himself to sleep over his relative strength.
See. It’s shit like this. Mariusz Pudzianowski is once again the world’s strongest man. Not Glenn Ross. Glenn Ross can deadlift more than Pudzianowski but since Glenn is incredibly fat, he loses to a person with less absolute strength.
And again, I said he cries himself to sleep over it every night.[/quote]
Sorry. I thought you were being sarcastic. Really. I apologize.
Even after this pissing match and re evaluating his pics I still feel that he did make some decent muscle gain.
However he did let his bodyfat levels get way out of control, was drastically unhealthy and doesnt have a clue about how to diet after a bulk.