100% RAW PL Championships

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[quote]SWR-1222D wrote:
terribleivan wrote:

If it takes the first 50 people to bust out the checkbook, you can bet the records lack credibility.

What do you mean?

The e-mail I got from them said that they’re only allowing the first 50 to enter because any more would take too long with all 3 lifts.

I don’t think he was saying he’d cancel it if there were less than 50. Then again, I may just be misunderstanding what you meant.[/quote]

Most legitimate National championships, even in the world of powerlifting, require some form of qualification before you are allowed to compete. Allowing any schmoe to lift just because he happens to be one of the first 50 to get his entry form in suggests that the contest, and federation, is a bit lacking in competition.

For instance, the first powerlifting meet I ever did was the AAU North American Championships. I didn’t have to qualify, I just paid some money and lifted. Nobody else showed up in my class so I won – I was the AAU Natural, Raw, Junior, 220# North American Champion. Whoopee!

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Haha, that is awesome! in all of north america, there is no junior, natural under 220lbs with more raw strength than you! what a great story…

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Good luck! Let us know how you do!

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[quote]zynot wrote:

There is definitely something to be said for raw strength, as I doubt many of the top WPO guys can squat 800 from a walkout with just a belt. I guess we’ll see soon though with the NE record breakers.

you gotta be kidding me, Donnie Thompson squats 920 raw.[/quote]

You’ve seen Donnie squat 920 with just a belt, not using a monolift?

I’m not saying that he can’t, but a guy on this forum trains with him, and in the NE record breakers thread he said he’s seen Donnie do 700 for reps but doesn’t know how much he can actually max.

Bear

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THANK GOD- finally powerlifting awards will go to the strongest lifter NOT the one best at using their gear!!!

I DONT like gear-my training partners all laugh at me cause I can pull on my bench shirt and squat suit and they barely help, somehow I am still able to do very well in meets.

I currently do USAPL, great federation and MINIMAL gear. I actually never heard of 100% RAW, just checked it out and its cool, but I live in South Florida and there are NO meets down here, so its tough to be active.

I have also done APF as well and after training with various lifters and I would do best in a RAW federation, thanks for the information.

Im sure that you have all heard that Gene Rychlak who just benched 1000, was called out and told that he would have all the praise and expenses paid if he could only bench 700 RAW, he never responded!!! Glen Chabot and James “hollywood” Henderson, Ted Arceddi are the only ones I can think of who have done that.

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
wtf? the bench record for 25-29 yr old men in the 242s is 110# lower than the 220’s and the DL is 30# lower. the squat is only 10# higher[/quote]

The 220 class is generally regarded, across all federations, to be a bit more competitive than the other classes.

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[quote]moonjumper wrote:

Im sure that you have all heard that Gene Rychlak who just benched 1000, was called out and told that he would have all the praise and expenses paid if he could only bench 700 RAW, he never responded!!! Glen Chabot and James “hollywood” Henderson, Ted Arceddi are the only ones I can think of who have done that.[/quote]

The only ones you can think of who have done what? Bench 700 raw? What about Scott Mendelson?!?! He’s got both the raw record, at 715, and the shirted record, i think he hit 1015about a month ago.

And this is just nitpicking, but gene didnt “just” bench a grand, he did it a year and a half ago, nov '04. At LAST years NERB he was challenged to just bench 600, not even 7

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You are CORRECT, thanks for straighting me out. 600 lbs and he didnt do it, why? and a 300 shirt difference for Mendy, WOW! maybe his wife smacking the shit out of him helps as much as the shirt.

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
moonjumper wrote:

Im sure that you have all heard that Gene Rychlak who just benched 1000, was called out and told that he would have all the praise and expenses paid if he could only bench 700 RAW, he never responded!!! Glen Chabot and James “hollywood” Henderson, Ted Arceddi are the only ones I can think of who have done that.

The only ones you can think of who have done what? Bench 700 raw? What about Scott Mendelson?!?! He’s got both the raw record, at 715, and the shirted record, i think he hit 1015about a month ago.

And this is just nitpicking, but gene didnt “just” bench a grand, he did it a year and a half ago, nov '04. At LAST years NERB he was challenged to just bench 600, not even 7
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[quote]moonjumper wrote:
Im sure that you have all heard that Gene Rychlak who just benched 1000, was called out and told that he would have all the praise and expenses paid if he could only bench 700 RAW, he never responded!!! Glen Chabot and James “hollywood” Henderson, Ted Arceddi are the only ones I can think of who have done that.[/quote]

Maybe he can bench 600, maybe he can’t. But him not responding to someone calling him out means nothing, other than that he had better things to do than fly out to promote someone’s PL contest. The callout was a cheap publicity stunt that’s quite frankly bad for powerlifting.

Secondly both the callout and the lift happened quite a while ago.

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I would bet my left nut that Gene could bench 600 Raw. I know that people are getting alot out of their gear, but I sincerely doubt Gene is getting 400+ lbs.

Bear

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he probably can, BUT thats totally different, he is a belly bencher, we cant go below nipples, we go flat foot he is on toes, we dont allow people on the platform, he can bring all his friends out to pull his shirt down, we also have OUR liftoff person NOT his own. so many differences, however 1000lb bench is impressive no matter how you do it.

I actually saw a video of him squatting 1000lbs and he looked ike he smoked it, throw in a good DL and he is the man…but he still should have benched 600 to shut everyone up.

[quote]Mr. Bear wrote:
I would bet my left nut that Gene could bench 600 Raw. I know that people are getting alot out of their gear, but I sincerely doubt Gene is getting 400+ lbs.

Bear[/quote]

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[quote]moonjumper wrote:
Im sure that you have all heard that Gene Rychlak who just benched 1000, was called out and told that he would have all the praise and expenses paid if he could only bench 700 RAW, he never responded!!! Glen Chabot and James “hollywood” Henderson, Ted Arceddi are the only ones I can think of who have done that.
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Oh but he did respond!! Didn’t anyone see the pic of him holding the article and flippin the bird?

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The records posted by that federation are very low, even for RAW lifts. Don’t get me wrong, I love RAW lifting and think it is the way to go and I am happy that it is becoming more popular, but those “State” or “American” Records are just low. This is simply due to the organization only being around a short period and the fact that the best lifters still do the meets with gear, like USAPL nationals and such.

The AAU has been around a lot longer so if you want a slightly better feel for what the RAW records are like check here:
http://www.aausports.org/sports/powerlifting/records/worldrawMEN'SRAWPOWERLIFTING4.7.06.pdf

For example for 198s in the new federation the records were 510 SQ, 385 BP, 600 Dl for 1415 total. In the AAU RAW World Records it is 610 SQ, 440 BP, and 660 DL for 1620 total. 200 lbs is a pretty big difference, and even these lifts are low. I set an AAU “World” Record but I didn’t kid myself into thinking it was a true world record, just a decent lift.

But again, my key point is RAW lifting is the way to go, at the very least get rid of bench shirts and go from there.

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The records in the 100% RAW fed are low because it is a drug-tested fed that hasn’t been around very long and has only attracted a limited number of top tier lifters.

I train with Donnie and I don’t believe he has ever squatted 920 raw. Can he do it? Maybe, maybe not. We will probably see at the NERBs. Like Marc said in his log at elitefts, though, this is a bit of a ridiculous idea for Donnie, considering it is only 2 months after the Arnold where he hurt himself bad enough not to be able to pull a weight he could do for a set of 5.

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[quote]SWR-1222D wrote:
terribleivan wrote:

If it takes the first 50 people to bust out the checkbook, you can bet the records lack credibility.

What do you mean?

The e-mail I got from them said that they’re only allowing the first 50 to enter because any more would take too long with all 3 lifts.

I don’t think he was saying he’d cancel it if there were less than 50. Then again, I may just be misunderstanding what you meant.[/quote]

He is saying that the first 50 to enter are not likely the 50 strongest dudes, they are just the first 50.

That means the numbers put up will likely not be world class.

Who really cares. Do it and and kick some ass.

Good luck.

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[quote]moonjumper wrote:
You are CORRECT, thanks for straighting me out. 600 lbs and he didnt do it, why? and a 300 shirt difference for Mendy, WOW! maybe his wife smacking the shit out of him helps as much as the shirt.
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Oh my god could you PLEASE shut the fuck up. Mendy benches over 700lbs RAW. Who give a shite about anything other than that. When you get anywhere near to that level you can get back on your soapbox. And do not dare use the bullshit “steroid” argument.

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I must be retarded or something because I cannot figure out how to read the PDF with all the records on it. Anyone care to help?

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[quote]DooMMOoD wrote:
I must be retarded or something because I cannot figure out how to read the PDF with all the records on it. Anyone care to help?[/quote]

It looks like the numbers that read across are squat, bench, deadlift, total but I could be wrong.

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Mendy is the best bencher of all time, thats what I think. whether drugs, shirts or whatever, he is a great bencher.period. is he the best powerlifter? wait a second he doesnt squat or deadlift-oh yeah.

powerlifting is done on a level playing field, have you ever heard of the formulas used to calculate who wins? schwartz and the other one.
that puts Marcus Schick as the best, at 165 he benched 685, Mendy weighs TWICE that but does he bench TWICE that?

Compared to all his competitors , Mendy wins which makes him the best and he has all my respect.
I wish all of you great success.

P.S. that comment about benching 700 before I can say anything- I like that one, but do you know that Tiger Woods ACTUALLY has a golf coach? wait he’s the best golfer in the world and someone trains him? you know Tiger can beat his coach so why does he listen to him?
Throughtout the years I have learned a lot from people WEAKER than me, just remember that minds are like PARACHUTES they only work when they are OPEN!!

[quote]Hanley wrote:
moonjumper wrote:
You are CORRECT, thanks for straighting me out. 600 lbs and he didnt do it, why? and a 300 shirt difference for Mendy, WOW! maybe his wife smacking the shit out of him helps as much as the shirt.

Oh my god could you PLEASE shut the fuck up. Mendy benches over 700lbs RAW. Who give a shite about anything other than that. When you get anywhere near to that level you can get back on your soapbox. And do not dare use the bullshit “steroid” argument.[/quote]

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HALLALUYAH BROTHER, like your thinking.
Im going to do the USAPL nationals in July, right here in my backyard, the go to Orlando in August for the 100%RAW nationals, hoping for 1700+(700,445,635) at 198 then RAW hopefully 1600, congrats on the record, very impressive, remember that records and meets all depend on who shows up, if Ray Benemerito shows up at the Nationals Im screwed, last year I sat in the Audience(spine surgery) and saw a 1625 total win the Nationals for 198, great lifting BUT I know that there are lifters who can total more, they just weren’t there that day, so 1625 won the Nationals- good for him.

There aren’t many RAW competitions, so I also plan on doing USAPL RAW, they actually have that division, Im sure that some will beat me with gear on, but I already have enough trophies, I need inner confidence about my TRUE strength.
wish you the best.

[quote]nptitim wrote:
The records posted by that federation are very low, even for RAW lifts. Don’t get me wrong, I love RAW lifting and think it is the way to go and I am happy that it is becoming more popular, but those “State” or “American” Records are just low. This is simply due to the organization only being around a short period and the fact that the best lifters still do the meets with gear, like USAPL nationals and such.

The AAU has been around a lot longer so if you want a slightly better feel for what the RAW records are like check here:
http://www.aausports.org/sports/powerlifting/records/worldrawMEN'SRAWPOWERLIFTING4.7.06.pdf

For example for 198s in the new federation the records were 510 SQ, 385 BP, 600 Dl for 1415 total. In the AAU RAW World Records it is 610 SQ, 440 BP, and 660 DL for 1620 total. 200 lbs is a pretty big difference, and even these lifts are low. I set an AAU “World” Record but I didn’t kid myself into thinking it was a true world record, just a decent lift.

But again, my key point is RAW lifting is the way to go, at the very least get rid of bench shirts and go from there.[/quote]