100 Day Pull-Up Challenge

Training
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[quote]csulli wrote:
Chia’s probably averaged over 100 pullups per day for the better part of 2 years lol.

I’ve honestly just never heard about all these elbow problems for people training pullups anywhere but the internet. Anyone I’ve seen in person work up to a ton of pullups has been just fine. I mean experiences vary, but I would be quite reticent to say a “majority” of people would have elbow problems.[/quote]

We all know your friend is a superhuman. Chances are most of the people you hang out with are superhuman too.

It’s a bit silly to compare superhumans to regular humans!

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I find it funny that we are talking about elbows, when the OP never mentioned elbow pain, he said LAT soreness. And, he still hasn’t checked in to reply to the comments.

Besides, we are talking about relatively low volume…2080 in 64 days. So what if he does some every day. Also, soreness and pain are different animals all together.

@MinotaurXXX FYI, pullup strength and climbing ability are almost entirely unrelated. Sasha Digiulian is a 14d climber, and she has been on record as saying she could do 9 pullups. My friend Dru has climbed three 14’s at the Red River Gorge and I can outdo him on pullups by probably double. Just curious who this “legit 5.14” climber is, since I have tons of connections within the climbing community by living here in Boulder, the climbing Mecca.

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[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:

[quote]BCpowder wrote:
Also, climbing is very different from doing pull-ups. Much more technique dependent and way more strain on the joints which do need time to recover.[/quote]
What experience do you have re climbing and training for climbing?[/quote]

I don’t have a ton of climbing experience but lived with a serious climber for 2 years. I never did over a 5.8 while he regularly did 5.13s and I can easily kick his ass in pull-ups. He climbed almost every day and I do pull-ups every day. We are good at what we do the most of, how about that?

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[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:

[quote]BCpowder wrote:

[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
My coach, a former 5.14 climber, once told me that only a very small minority can get away with doing pull ups every day. Even when he was climbing at his peak, he took rest days.

Most who attempt something like what the op is describing end up with elbow issues. But hey, if you want to meet some quota, knock yourself out.
[/quote]

Would have to disagree on that one. If you do them close to failure every day without conditioning for it, you can definitely get overuse injuries.

But if you build up the work capacity before trying to do max or near max reps each set you’ll be fine. About 4 or 5 guys I train with routinely do over 100 pull-ups every day and we’re not some freaks, we’re just a bunch of average bros.

When I started doing 100 reps a day, I could do about 20 reps in one set, but just did 10 sets of 10. Never had an elbow issue. In the past, when I only did pull-ups 2x a week working to or close to failure, that’s when I had tendinitis.

Perhaps the program is the issue here, not the goal. [/quote]
How long have you and your buds been doing hundred pullups daily?

And what experience do you have training people from diverse backgrounds?[/quote]

Years.

I have helped people from all backgrounds get better at pull-ups. Guess what worked the best for everyone? More volume/frequency while staying away from failure. And none of them had elbow problems.

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[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
I find it funny that we are talking about elbows, when the OP never mentioned elbow pain, he said LAT soreness. And, he still hasn’t checked in to reply to the comments.
[/quote]

The OP sounds like a rookie so I thought I’d chime in with my personal experience with a high volume approach. He may never get elbow issues OR he just may. Neither you nor anyone else can guarantee that he won’t. To do so - over the internet - is beyond irresponsible.

[quote]Ecchastang wrote:

Besides, we are talking about relatively low volume…2080 in 64 days. So what if he does some every day. Also, soreness and pain are different animals all together.
[/quote]

When I took up the grease the groove approach per Pavel and Chad Waterbury, I NEVER went to failure. And I was already lean from mountain biking regularly.

[quote]Ecchastang wrote:

@MinotaurXXX FYI, pullup strength and climbing ability are almost entirely unrelated. Sasha Digiulian is a 14d climber, and she has been on record as saying she could do 9 pullups. My friend Dru has climbed three 14’s at the Red River Gorge and I can outdo him on pullups by probably double. Just curious who this “legit 5.14” climber is, since I have tons of connections within the climbing community by living here in Boulder, the climbing Mecca. [/quote]

I think you inferred the wrong message from my posts. My coach, by his own admission, was never one of the gifted climbers to whom things came easily. He had to figure out the best way to improve AND stay injury free (this is his core philosophy). I never stated climbing ability and pull up ability are correlated (although it’s easy to see how one can misinterpret my earlier posts). But elbow health is vital to climbing longevity. My coach learned this early on as he saw his friends get shut down for weeks - if not months. Hence his approach and his advice to me.

I texted him and asked for specifics. He said it was way back when Clinton and then the younger Bush were in office. Northern Utah. I saw the pics and I’ve also met his old climbing friends at dinner party (all they talked about was climbing “back in the day”). Based on their conversations, I don’t see why he would fabricate this. Do names such as Full Slugfest and Still Too Weak mean anything…? They’re the names of the routes he sent back then.

And I’ll tell you something from my interactions with hardcore climbers. Climbers from Utah will disagree with you regarding Boulder being the mecca. Yosemite climbers will disagree with the Utah climbers and the Boulderites. And on and on and on.

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[quote]BCpowder wrote:

[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:

[quote]BCpowder wrote:

[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
My coach, a former 5.14 climber, once told me that only a very small minority can get away with doing pull ups every day. Even when he was climbing at his peak, he took rest days.

Most who attempt something like what the op is describing end up with elbow issues. But hey, if you want to meet some quota, knock yourself out.
[/quote]

Would have to disagree on that one. If you do them close to failure every day without conditioning for it, you can definitely get overuse injuries.

But if you build up the work capacity before trying to do max or near max reps each set you’ll be fine. About 4 or 5 guys I train with routinely do over 100 pull-ups every day and we’re not some freaks, we’re just a bunch of average bros.

When I started doing 100 reps a day, I could do about 20 reps in one set, but just did 10 sets of 10. Never had an elbow issue. In the past, when I only did pull-ups 2x a week working to or close to failure, that’s when I had tendinitis.

Perhaps the program is the issue here, not the goal. [/quote]
How long have you and your buds been doing hundred pullups daily?

And what experience do you have training people from diverse backgrounds?[/quote]

Years.

I have helped people from all backgrounds get better at pull-ups. Guess what worked the best for everyone? More volume/frequency while staying away from failure. And none of them had elbow problems.[/quote]

I gave you the benefit of the doubt because I never interacted with you. But your posts just don’t pass the sniff test with me.

When you make the claims above when I, for one, absolutely had issues with the approach you described. I’ve also met others who have had elbow issues with a high volume approach.

And see the post below from ChongLordUno (who I’ve never met but his posts are intelligent):

[quote]ChongLordUno wrote:
I done 100 a day for 6 months solid and all I ended up with was some beastly lats and a completely fucked up elbow.

Good luck OP![/quote]

So when make your claims, I’m not buying.

Certainly, the if-you-want-to-get-better-at-something-then-do-more-of-it approach works. But I’m convinced it reaches a point of diminishing returns for some (like it did for me). A more custom and precise program is in order and those who blindly do x number of pull ups every day are just spinning their wheels (unless, of course, they get off on telling others they do all these pull ups every day).

As stated in an earlier post, I train pull ups about 10 times per month and I’m hitting PRs on a regular basis.

If you’re ever in So Cal, feel free to hit me up. I say we do the following:

***1 pull up with max weight

***heaviest weight for 3 reps (if you want to go with another rep number, no worries)

***max number of pull ups with a 45lb plate

Whoever takes two out of three above events wins.

And let’s make it interesting…how does 5k U.S. dollars work for you? Your silly every day approach vs my precision/custom-tailored approach.

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[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:

[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
I find it funny that we are talking about elbows, when the OP never mentioned elbow pain, he said LAT soreness. And, he still hasn’t checked in to reply to the comments.
[/quote]

The OP sounds like a rookie so I thought I’d chime in with my personal experience with a high volume approach. He may never get elbow issues OR he just may. Neither you nor anyone else can guarantee that he won’t. To do so - over the internet - is beyond irresponsible.

[quote]Ecchastang wrote:

Besides, we are talking about relatively low volume…2080 in 64 days. So what if he does some every day. Also, soreness and pain are different animals all together.
[/quote]

When I took up the grease the groove approach per Pavel and Chad Waterbury, I NEVER went to failure. And I was already lean from mountain biking regularly.

[quote]Ecchastang wrote:

@MinotaurXXX FYI, pullup strength and climbing ability are almost entirely unrelated. Sasha Digiulian is a 14d climber, and she has been on record as saying she could do 9 pullups. My friend Dru has climbed three 14’s at the Red River Gorge and I can outdo him on pullups by probably double. Just curious who this “legit 5.14” climber is, since I have tons of connections within the climbing community by living here in Boulder, the climbing Mecca. [/quote]

I think you inferred the wrong message from my posts. My coach, by his own admission, was never one of the gifted climbers to whom things came easily. He had to figure out the best way to improve AND stay injury free (this is his core philosophy). I never stated climbing ability and pull up ability are correlated (although it’s easy to see how one can misinterpret my earlier posts). But elbow health is vital to climbing longevity. My coach learned this early on as he saw his friends get shut down for weeks - if not months. Hence his approach and his advice to me.

I texted him and asked for specifics. He said it was way back when Clinton and then the younger Bush were in office. Northern Utah. I saw the pics and I’ve also met his old climbing friends at dinner party (all they talked about was climbing “back in the day”). Based on their conversations, I don’t see why he would fabricate this. Do names such as Full Slugfest and Still Too Weak mean anything…? They’re the names of the routes he sent back then.

And I’ll tell you something from my interactions with hardcore climbers. Climbers from Utah will disagree with you regarding Boulder being the mecca. Yosemite climbers will disagree with the Utah climbers and the Boulderites. And on and on and on. [/quote]
No one is guaranteeing he won’t get elbow problems. Just like no one guarantees someone won’t have shoulder problems from bench press or OHP. But you are speaking in absolutes to a greater degree than I am saying everyone else is wrong and you are right.

As to the climber coach, I still don’t believe you. I was living in Salt Lake during some of the time you mentioned. There are currently only 19 climbs rated 5.14 in the entire state of Utah, and none are called what you said. Plus back then the options were much more limited, mainly either Logan Canyon or American fork. By claiming it was back around 2000 (plus or minus a few yrs) you have made your story less believable, as there were only a handful of people to have ever climbed 5.14 at that time. Is your coach Boone Speed, Jeff Pederson, Vince Adams, Tom Gilje, Scott Franklin or Randy Leavitt?

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[quote]Ecchastang wrote:

[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:

[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
I find it funny that we are talking about elbows, when the OP never mentioned elbow pain, he said LAT soreness. And, he still hasn’t checked in to reply to the comments.
[/quote]

The OP sounds like a rookie so I thought I’d chime in with my personal experience with a high volume approach. He may never get elbow issues OR he just may. Neither you nor anyone else can guarantee that he won’t. To do so - over the internet - is beyond irresponsible.

[quote]Ecchastang wrote:

Besides, we are talking about relatively low volume…2080 in 64 days. So what if he does some every day. Also, soreness and pain are different animals all together.
[/quote]

When I took up the grease the groove approach per Pavel and Chad Waterbury, I NEVER went to failure. And I was already lean from mountain biking regularly.

[quote]Ecchastang wrote:

@MinotaurXXX FYI, pullup strength and climbing ability are almost entirely unrelated. Sasha Digiulian is a 14d climber, and she has been on record as saying she could do 9 pullups. My friend Dru has climbed three 14’s at the Red River Gorge and I can outdo him on pullups by probably double. Just curious who this “legit 5.14” climber is, since I have tons of connections within the climbing community by living here in Boulder, the climbing Mecca. [/quote]

I think you inferred the wrong message from my posts. My coach, by his own admission, was never one of the gifted climbers to whom things came easily. He had to figure out the best way to improve AND stay injury free (this is his core philosophy). I never stated climbing ability and pull up ability are correlated (although it’s easy to see how one can misinterpret my earlier posts). But elbow health is vital to climbing longevity. My coach learned this early on as he saw his friends get shut down for weeks - if not months. Hence his approach and his advice to me.

I texted him and asked for specifics. He said it was way back when Clinton and then the younger Bush were in office. Northern Utah. I saw the pics and I’ve also met his old climbing friends at dinner party (all they talked about was climbing “back in the day”). Based on their conversations, I don’t see why he would fabricate this. Do names such as Full Slugfest and Still Too Weak mean anything…? They’re the names of the routes he sent back then.

And I’ll tell you something from my interactions with hardcore climbers. Climbers from Utah will disagree with you regarding Boulder being the mecca. Yosemite climbers will disagree with the Utah climbers and the Boulderites. And on and on and on. [/quote]
No one is guaranteeing he won’t get elbow problems. Just like no one guarantees someone won’t have shoulder problems from bench press or OHP. But you are speaking in absolutes to a greater degree than I am saying everyone else is wrong and you are right.

As to the climber coach, I still don’t believe you. I was living in Salt Lake during some of the time you mentioned. There are currently only 19 climbs rated 5.14 in the entire state of Utah, and none are called what you said. Plus back then the options were much more limited, mainly either Logan Canyon or American fork. By claiming it was back around 2000 (plus or minus a few yrs) you have made your story less believable, as there were only a handful of people to have ever climbed 5.14 at that time. Is your coach Boone Speed, Jeff Pederson, Vince Adams, Tom Gilje, Scott Franklin or Randy Leavitt? [/quote]

What I’m saying is that people who blindly tell newbies to simply do more are irresponsible.

As to your accusation, its could be just a reflection of you flaws. The climbs I mentioned apparently do exist.

Full Slugfest is Slugfest with the

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with the v9 start and the second climb is a variation of super tweak with the easierexit.

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You’re trying to be the forum climbing alpha and I can see why you’d make comments like you did. If anything he could have gotten the time mixed up but I’ll take his word and the words of his cronies over you.

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I did a pullup once.

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[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
I gave you the benefit of the doubt because I never interacted with you. But your posts just don’t pass the sniff test with me.

When you make the claims above when I, for one, absolutely had issues with the approach you described. I’ve also met others who have had elbow issues with a high volume approach.

And see the post below from ChongLordUno (who I’ve never met but his posts are intelligent):

[quote]ChongLordUno wrote:
I done 100 a day for 6 months solid and all I ended up with was some beastly lats and a completely fucked up elbow.

Good luck OP![/quote]

So when make your claims, I’m not buying.

Certainly, the if-you-want-to-get-better-at-something-then-do-more-of-it approach works. But I’m convinced it reaches a point of diminishing returns for some (like it did for me). A more custom and precise program is in order and those who blindly do x number of pull ups every day are just spinning their wheels (unless, of course, they get off on telling others they do all these pull ups every day).

As stated in an earlier post, I train pull ups about 10 times per month and I’m hitting PRs on a regular basis.

If you’re ever in So Cal, feel free to hit me up. I say we do the following:

***1 pull up with max weight

***heaviest weight for 3 reps (if you want to go with another rep number, no worries)

***max number of pull ups with a 45lb plate

Whoever takes two out of three above events wins.

And let’s make it interesting…how does 5k U.S. dollars work for you? Your silly every day approach vs my precision/custom-tailored approach. [/quote]

This thread was about whether or not the OP could or should complete this 100 day challenge (with no mention of elbow pain) and I was encouraging him to do it since I know many people who successfully do this every day.

I still can’t figure out which of my claims you are trying to dispute with your precision “sniff test”:

a. that I have done over 100 pull-ups a day for years with no injuries
b. that I know numerous people who do the same
OR
c. that people who I have shared this method with all got better at pull-ups with no injuries

None of these claims are even close to being outrageous. I don’t get off on talking about some pretty average feats so I’m really at a loss as to what you’re trying to call me out on.

As far as your challenge goes–since now you sound like you’re trying to be the forum pull-up alpha–I’m game, I love some competition. Feel free to PM me your contact info and I will be in touch with you next time I’m in SoCal. I’m there maybe once or twice a year. I’m not going to put up $5k USD with some stranger from the internet but we can definitely make a pot and have some friendly competition.

I’m guessing you probably train for these specific goals/targets and I’m sure you’re pretty good since you’re willing to put up $5k. As for me, I don’t train for any of the events that you propose. I simply do pull-ups as an upper back exercise to balance out the daily pushing that I do. It takes me no more than 10-15 minutes a day to get all my reps unless I’m trying to make a real workout out of it (weighted, etc). Up til now I have not had any specific pull-up related goals other than to repeatedly do sets of 20 all day long in order to win free shit at the Arnold Classic. Don’t think of this as cop out, it just means that now I’ll actually train pull-ups with a goal not just as an accessory. Regardless, you can bet I’ll be using my “silly every day approach”.

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Minotaur do you have any vids of some pull-up training? Like can you rep out weighted pull-ups with three plates and shit? Cuz that would be some impressive lifting dawg.

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this guy minotaur is a troll.

i think one of his other accounts is that guy who acted like he was a movie expert and made those marathon movie posts in GAL threads and claimed to live in Spain. he posted nonstop for a few months and then disappeared.

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BigKahuna?

I liked him

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I started it last night.

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How’s it going so far Spar?

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[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
How’s it going so far Spar?[/quote]
Elbows just might make it.

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[quote]TheCB wrote:
this guy minotaur is a troll.

i think one of his other accounts is that guy who acted like he was a movie expert and made those marathon movie posts in GAL threads and claimed to live in Spain. he posted nonstop for a few months and then disappeared.[/quote]

Figures.

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[quote]TheCB wrote:
this guy minotaur is a troll.

i think one of his other accounts is that guy who acted like he was a movie expert and made those marathon movie posts in GAL threads and claimed to live in Spain. he posted nonstop for a few months and then disappeared.[/quote]
Not even close.

BTW, you’re a cunt.