[quote]lixy wrote:
Queen Rania of Jordan launched a YouTube channel to educate bigots and morons about Islam, the Arab world and women living there. Well, she doesn’t put it in these terms but you get the idea.
And she’s cute to boot![/quote]
Ahh, but does she put out!
I look at this at home some time…Can’t watch movies at work.
Hey lixy, thanks. I watched it last night. The only thing I got out of it was that it confirmed what I already knew: jordanian women are hot.
[quote]lixy wrote:
And she’s cute to boot![/quote]
Shouldn’t such attentions by you to a woman - a married woman, no less - have you pay for these crimes by putting your eyes out or something?
Isn’t there some Islamic law that prohibits men from looking (and as such, lusting) at women?
[quote]kroby wrote:
lixy wrote:
And she’s cute to boot!
Shouldn’t such attentions by you to a woman - a married woman, no less - have you pay for these crimes by putting your eyes out or something?
Isn’t there some Islamic law that prohibits men from looking (and as such, lusting) at women?[/quote]
I am unaware of anything in the Quran that prohibits me from describing a woman (or a man for that matter) as “cute”.
On second read, I have to wonder if your question stems from genuine interest or just the inexplicable need of some to make snarky comments about Islam and associate all its adherents with Al-Zawahiri.
[quote]lixy wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
lixy wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
[edit - btw lixy, I wasn’t directing my general observation at you anyway! ~katz]
Then who was it directed at?
Saying that “the Crusades are always referred to” is a classical use of weasel words to build a strawman.
The topic of this thread is whether Islam is a religion of peace, right? The question of whether the Pope apologized for the crusades - and whether or not “Benny” will repeat the apology - was brought up, right?
I was simply observing that the Church is often expected to apologize for the crusades; and, in general, for any transgression no matter how slight - and, yet, for some reason, Islam seems exempted from doing so. This is an asymmetry that I find rather disturbing.
How hard was it to take the time to phrase it in this terms instead of what you posted previously?
But I’ll still ask you to be more specific. Who is it that’s expecting anything from the Church? Also, and correct me if I’m wrong, I have always thought forgiveness played a central role in Christianism. Surely, you must see apologies and forgiveness are closely related.
To tackle your point, who is it that you want to speak for Islam? To me, that prerogative was the exclusive domain of the prophet. And the man is dead. So what “transgression” do you want “Islam” to apologize for? Chances are high that it’ll involve a bunch of Turks, and in case you haven’t noticed, those can’t even be bothered to recognize what they did to the Kurds.
The Church is an institution. It has a code, a leader, headquarters, etc. Islam is a religion, an ideology and a lifestyle. You can sue the Church, but you can’t sue “Islam”.
Your idea is akin to asking Capitalism, Romanticism or Taoism to not be “exempted from doing so” (i.e: be “often expected to apologize […] for any transgression no matter how slight”).[/quote]
Oh…well…in that case please continue on with your goal of world domination and opression with a total lack of any accountability at all. Poor Muslim victims.
ok i have been a member for a few months i have liked the forum but i didn’t find the need to reply to a specific topic, but this one seriously hurt me alot because the op doesn’t know anything correctly and i don’t know where does he get his resources from. so iam going to start a new thread called about islam , if u have a question post it and if i know the answer i will answer it and give you proof for my answer.
sorry for not introducing myself first my name is amr , iam a highschool student in my senior year , iam an egyptian and iam a moslem , so we have a 12 hour time difference so please allow me time to answer ur questions , iam not so religious and pious i pray fast and donate , just do the basic nessecities but i am willing to learn to answer you, thnx alot
[quote]dyskee wrote:
ok i have been a member for a few months i have liked the forum but i didn’t find the need to reply to a specific topic, but this one seriously hurt me alot because the op doesn’t know anything correctly and i don’t know where does he get his resources from. so iam going to start a new thread called about islam , if u have a question post it and if i know the answer i will answer it and give you proof for my answer.
sorry for not introducing myself first my name is amr , iam a highschool student in my senior year , iam an egyptian and iam a moslem , so we have a 12 hour time difference so please allow me time to answer ur questions , iam not so religious and pious i pray fast and donate , just do the basic nessecities but i am willing to learn to answer you, thnx alot[/quote]
Dyskee, fabulous! Great to have you aboard. Looking forward to a productive Q & A! Cheers, ~katz
[quote]lixy wrote:
I am unaware of anything in the Quran that prohibits me from describing a woman (or a man for that matter) as “cute”.
On second read, I have to wonder if your question stems from genuine interest or just the inexplicable need of some to make snarky comments about Islam and associate all its adherents with Al-Zawahiri.[/quote]
I’m curious.
I was under the impression that the whole reason behind the head scarf thingy was to stop men lusting after other dudes wives.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
lixy wrote:
I am unaware of anything in the Quran that prohibits me from describing a woman (or a man for that matter) as “cute”.
On second read, I have to wonder if your question stems from genuine interest or just the inexplicable need of some to make snarky comments about Islam and associate all its adherents with Al-Zawahiri.
I’m curious.
I was under the impression that the whole reason behind the head scarf thingy was to stop men lusting after other dudes wives.[/quote]
How did you come to that conclusion? Do you find hair that erotic?
Of the women I know who wear the hijab, most are unmarried. They do so in an attempt to affirm their independence and not get harassed in the street. As surprising as it may seem to you, there are feminists in the Muslim world too.
From what I can tell, the hijab was introduced as something to tell apart the prophet’s wives from the rest. A women should dress modestly, and so should a man. Period.
[quote]lixy wrote:
How did you come to that conclusion? Do you find hair that erotic?[/quote]
Ha ha, no that’s what I’ve been told. It did seem a wee bit absurd. No need to get defensive man, I was asking out of sheer curiosity.
I realized. A quick google search brings up this:
Damn man, that’s a very black and white way of looking at it. Care to explain why? And define modestly.
You’re sounding a lot like the fundamentalists out there with your “that’s how it should be” crap man.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
lixy wrote:
How did you come to that conclusion? Do you find hair that erotic?
Ha ha, no that’s what I’ve been told. It did seem a wee bit absurd. No need to get defensive man, I was asking out of sheer curiosity. [/quote]
Are you sure you asked a Muslim and not an Orthodox Jew? The latter have this rule where a married woman can’t show her hair to anyone but her husband. Which the Jewish women have been circumventing by wearing wigs which, ironically, are almost always prettier than the orginal hair.
And I am curious as well. Whoever told you that bit of disinformation?
[quote]From what I can tell, the hijab was introduced as something to tell apart the prophet’s wives from the rest. A women should dress modestly, and so should a man. Period.
Damn man, that’s a very black and white way of looking at it. Care to explain why? And define modestly.
You’re sounding a lot like the fundamentalists out there with your “that’s how it should be” crap man.[/quote]
I was merely telling you what the Quran says. And yes, it demands from Muslims that people dress modestly.
How do I define modestly? By using common sense. I know for a fact that bling-bling is not making society particularly homogeneous. Not that I have a problem with differences or anything, but flunking exuberant wealth in the face of people is bound to cause trouble. Similarly, I don’t think anything good ever came out of tight shorts or see-thru lycra tops (No, you pervs! There was NO pun there.)
Ever wondered why crime rate is so low in villages?
The Quranic verse, "Say to believing women,
that they cast down their eyes and guard their
private parts, and reveal not their adornment
save such as is outward; and let them drape
their headcoverings over their bosoms, and not
reveal their adornment . . ." (Qur�an 24:31)
is a specific requirement for Muslim women to
cover their hair.
also the simplest way to describe the must of
hijab is that god commanded it and we should
obey god’s law , The Quran teaches us to say,
�??We hear and we obey.�?? (2:285) The ultimate
aim of our religion is to arrive at a deep
realization that we are slaves and Allah
“god” Most High is our master.
islam also advocated that women should be
seen as a human being and not a piece of
decoration. What do you think the hijab is?
It’s a way to raise women in value. Women are
seen as proper modest humans with hijab.
Let me ask you something. Do you know what a
“nun” is? Please explain to me what they wear
on their head and please explain why people
find it modest and pious what they do? Islam
allows women to be as modest and pious as
nuns and still live daily lives with
enjoyment.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Makavali wrote:
lixy wrote:
How did you come to that conclusion? Do you find hair that erotic?
Ha ha, no that’s what I’ve been told. It did seem a wee bit absurd. No need to get defensive man, I was asking out of sheer curiosity.
Are you sure you asked a Muslim and not an Orthodox Jew? The latter have this rule where a married woman can’t show her hair to anyone but her husband. Which the Jewish women have been circumventing by wearing wigs which, ironically, are almost always prettier than the orginal hair.
And I am curious as well. Whoever told you that bit of disinformation?
From what I can tell, the hijab was introduced as something to tell apart the prophet’s wives from the rest. A women should dress modestly, and so should a man. Period.
Damn man, that’s a very black and white way of looking at it. Care to explain why? And define modestly.
You’re sounding a lot like the fundamentalists out there with your “that’s how it should be” crap man.
I was merely telling you what the Quran says. And yes, it demands from Muslims that people dress modestly.
How do I define modestly? By using common sense. I know for a fact that bling-bling is not making society particularly homogeneous. Not that I have a problem with differences or anything, but flunking exuberant wealth in the face of people is bound to cause trouble. Similarly, I don’t think anything good ever came out of tight shorts or see-thru lycra tops (No, you pervs! There was NO pun there.)
Ever wondered why crime rate is so low in villages?[/quote]
Because populations are small,so criminals are more likely to be caught,and strangers stick out hence are also unlikely to go un noticed?
[quote]lixy wrote:
kroby wrote:
lixy wrote:
And she’s cute to boot!
Shouldn’t such attentions by you to a woman - a married woman, no less - have you pay for these crimes by putting your eyes out or something?
Isn’t there some Islamic law that prohibits men from looking (and as such, lusting) at women?
I am unaware of anything in the Quran that prohibits me from describing a woman (or a man for that matter) as “cute”.
On second read, I have to wonder if your question stems from genuine interest or just the inexplicable need of some to make snarky comments about Islam and associate all its adherents with Al-Zawahiri.[/quote]
No. I was - possibly incorrectly - under the assumption that clothing a woman wears is to make sure men keep their lusts in check. Just another control, like how men and women cannot co-mingle socially (a la ice cream parlors in Iran). My powers of deductive reasoning may be fallible.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Ooops. Seems someone disagrees with our resident Koranic expert…[/quote]
lol iam no expert , so what do u disagree about?
[quote]dyskee wrote:
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I beg to differ. The term used in 24:31 is khumur which is not a “headcovering” in the sense that you’re trying to portray it. It was an ornamental attire by men and women alike in pre-Islamic Arabia. There is consensus by historians on the fact that women at the time had vertiginous cleavages, hence the commandment to make sure the khumur cover those highly erotic parts.
And yes, I know plenty of people who’ll disagree with my interpretation. Most likely, they’ll refer to the work of some scholar who was all too happy to impose even more restrictions on women than the Quran already commands. Heck, if you look carefully, you’ll find scholars who advocate a total ban on women leaving the house and others who defend the niqab.
I don’t necessarily view it as bida’a, unless those rules start being imposed on women.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Because populations are small,so criminals are more likely to be caught,and strangers stick out hence are also unlikely to go un noticed?[/quote]
It’s tempting to think of it as number’s game. However, when you look closely, you realize that homogeneity is an even more important factor. At least, that’s what I realized during my time here in Sweden.
Homogeneity IS a numbers game.